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Posted by: Maximus Decimus
Agreed. All the changes are good and add variety. Do we really want another Halo 3? Just running around with one gun and no armor abilities? It's good that 343 wants to try something new. Do we really want the same thing for three more games?


Posted by: Nephilim713
lolmlg.
I spy someone that plays with a team and is probably negative in MLG :3.

  • 01.08.2012 9:09 AM PDT

I take it you're here for a reason?
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A memorial to my H3 guy by:Do The D3w

It still sounds like a veiled insult to me...



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  • 01.08.2012 9:10 AM PDT

WALL OF SHAME-Posting stupidity since 2010
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Posted by: Maximus Decimus
Agreed. All the changes are good and add variety. Do we really want another Halo 3? Just running around with one gun and no armor abilities? It's good that 343 wants to try something new. Do we really want the same thing for three more games?


Posted by: zuboy
That's an opinion, not a fact.

Here's a fact; at MLG events COD gets more viewers than the Reach broadcast.

Your thread sucks. Stop trying to make your opinion look like facts.

Posted by: X El BaZzA X
Halo is probably the most competitive of the console shooters. Other popular shooter franchises like CoD or BF contain too much randomness amongst other things to be competitive.
I've been to events. Halo is a lot more popular than CoD.

And you have it backwards, there are always going to be more viewers than people in person at the event.

  • 01.08.2012 9:11 AM PDT
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take out mute ban already. Its been hated since the beta.

  • 01.08.2012 9:15 AM PDT

WALL OF SHAME-Posting stupidity since 2010
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Posted by: Maximus Decimus
Agreed. All the changes are good and add variety. Do we really want another Halo 3? Just running around with one gun and no armor abilities? It's good that 343 wants to try something new. Do we really want the same thing for three more games?


Posted by: DougiePooDollar
At least you've posted a response which isn't derogatory and don't idolize people who 'play games as a career'.

Stripping down a game to its bare essentials however,(what MLG basically does) doesn't promote better 'skill'. Lack of weapon variety and team work being the only factor as to whether you win or not doesn't represent skill for me.

The fact that 'random' elements have been taken out means games should indeed be closer(hence the K/D drop), this does not mean that it is more skillful. The assumption that better players play MLG as well as Pros is incorrect as anyone can join an MLG game. It is not restricted to better players.

Who actually cares enough about how good they are in a videogame anyway? Hardly anyone will become pro in their lifetime, and their profession is a sad existence at that.

Except when you consider weapons, like the needler, or shotgun, MLG takes a lot more skill. My 7 year old brother can kill people with the needler by holding down his right finger, or just by pressing the right trigger. But he can't kill someone with a DMR, because that requires consistent aiming skills, which he doesn't have. Yet, he can still use the needler, and the shotgun, etc.

  • 01.08.2012 9:18 AM PDT

Stop arguing over imaginary -blam!-. May as well argue over Santa Claus. There will never be proof that there is/was a god - and before people start saying "HERP DERP PROVE THERE WASN'T ONE ROFLOLOL" well, you are the people who made it up in the first place so we know there isn't one
What created the big bang then? A coalition of genetically modified TR-909s with extra distortion?


Posted by: Negative 9
Who would throw away a 100k over a couple of coin tosses?
We can all just go play FIFA.

  • 01.08.2012 9:27 AM PDT

Posted by: CultMiester4000
I'm not really an Apple person (Bananas forever) but damn, that's kinda sad.

I've played MLG once and have a KD of 1.33 :D

I would play it if I knew people who didn't suck ass and were on more, but it was fun.

The only thing about MLG that I disgust is the complete lack of weapon variety (DMR, PW, DMR, DMR, DMR, PW)

  • 01.08.2012 9:42 AM PDT

The Song Of Nephilim

Xenoblade <3


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Posted by: Nephilim713
lolmlg.
I spy someone that plays with a team and is probably negative in MLG :3.


Naw, I was playing alone.

  • 01.08.2012 9:55 AM PDT

Everything that Bazza has stated is actually correct. Like it or not, the MLG playlist does take more overall skill than any other playlist. If you do not want to play MLG because you do not like it, then dont play it. Nothing is forcing you to play anything.

I play MLG because I do not mind losing. I play to get better and win. If that takes losing a few games, I am alright with that.

  • 01.08.2012 10:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

Only reason I don't play is because of the lack of Warthogs. Yeah, I understand why Banshees, Wraiths, Scorpions can be excluded because of the lack of skill input needed, but I think the Warthog (and maybe the Falcon?) separate themselves from the rest of the vehicles. Does MLG have 8v8 settings?

  • 01.08.2012 10:26 AM PDT

Posted by: P3P5I
Only reason I don't play is because of the lack of Warthogs. Yeah, I understand why Banshees, Wraiths, Scorpions can be excluded because of the lack of skill input needed, but I think the Warthog (and maybe the Falcon?) separate themselves from the rest of the vehicles. Does MLG have 8v8 settings?


nope and I dont think it ever will

  • 01.08.2012 10:33 AM PDT

Your sample size is woefully small to conclude with such claims. There are ~100,000 people playing Reach, and in order to make your Margin of Error (What gives force to your claim) smaller, you would need a threshold of improvement (Say the K/D is 75% higher in competitive multiplayer as opposed to MLG), a simple random sample of players who play the exact same proportion of MLG and Competitive, (Your sample cases are most likely your friends, and therefore your argument is biased), and a sample size of at least 30.

I'm not saying no to your claim, i'm saying that your supporting evidence is total -blam!-.

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  • 01.08.2012 10:38 AM PDT

Lol


Posted by: DougiePooDollar
At least you've posted a response which isn't derogatory and don't idolize people who 'play games as a career'.

Stripping down a game to its bare essentials however,(what MLG basically does) doesn't promote better 'skill'. Lack of weapon variety and team work being the only factor as to whether you win or not doesn't represent skill for me.

The fact that 'random' elements have been taken out means games should indeed be closer(hence the K/D drop), this does not mean that it is more skillful. The assumption that better players play MLG as well as Pros is incorrect as anyone can join an MLG game. It is not restricted to better players.

Who actually cares enough about how good they are in a videogame anyway? Hardly anyone will become pro in their lifetime, and their profession is a sad existence at that.



Why are you so damn bias? You should hate sports players too because under your definition they aren't "benefiting" society either. I honestly must admit, you take online gaming way too seriously if trash talking hurts your online gaming experience.

  • 01.08.2012 10:41 AM PDT


Posted by: The Tru7hiness
Your sample size is woefully small to conclude with such claims. There are ~100,000 people playing Reach, and in order to make your Margin of Error (What gives force to your claim) smaller, you would need a threshold of improvement (Say the K/D is 75% higher in competitive multiplayer as opposed to MLG), a simple random sample of players who play the exact same proportion of MLG and Competitive, (Your sample cases are most likely your friends, and therefore your argument is biased), and a sample size of at least 30.

I'm not saying no to your claim, i'm saying that your supporting evidence is total -blam!-.
Of course it is, because I really can't be bothered to go through a bunch of good players and type out their stats and link their service records, etc. Whether or not they are friends who I play with or not is irrelevant (actually, I've played with Cosssta once and that was in a custom game). It's just a matter of me not being bothered to do all the work. I could find hundreds or thousands of examples of my claim if I had the time and willpower to do so.

  • 01.08.2012 10:43 AM PDT

btb (and currently ani btb) take the most skill. srry u cant argue against it. a group of 16 highly skilled players will always produce a more skillfull tactical etc etc etc game then a group of 8. thats jst the way it is :) get a group of the best 8 default mlg players and come search out my party in ani btb, get beat bad, and learn jst how "skilled" u really are. :)

  • 01.08.2012 10:45 AM PDT


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Posted by: The Tru7hiness
Your sample size is woefully small to conclude with such claims. There are ~100,000 people playing Reach, and in order to make your Margin of Error (What gives force to your claim) smaller, you would need a threshold of improvement (Say the K/D is 75% higher in competitive multiplayer as opposed to MLG), a simple random sample of players who play the exact same proportion of MLG and Competitive, (Your sample cases are most likely your friends, and therefore your argument is biased), and a sample size of at least 30.

I'm not saying no to your claim, i'm saying that your supporting evidence is total -blam!-.
Of course it is, because I really can't be bothered to go through a bunch of good players and type out their stats and link their service records, etc. Whether or not they are friends who I play with or not is irrelevant (actually, I've played with Cosssta once and that was in a custom game). It's just a matter of me not being bothered to do all the work. I could find hundreds or thousands of examples of my claim if I had the time and willpower to do so.


If you aren't willing to find sufficient evidence, then don't make those claims.

P.S. It IS relevant that your friends are your only subjects (Selection Bias), and it DOESN'T matter that you've played with Cosssta (Outlier). Haven't you taken statistics?

  • 01.08.2012 10:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

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Posted by: P3P5I
Only reason I don't play is because of the lack of Warthogs. Yeah, I understand why Banshees, Wraiths, Scorpions can be excluded because of the lack of skill input needed, but I think the Warthog (and maybe the Falcon?) separate themselves from the rest of the vehicles. Does MLG have 8v8 settings?


nope and I dont think it ever will
FUUUUUUU

MLG, y u no btb? Squad battle, and I'm not going any lower.

  • 01.08.2012 10:49 AM PDT

Posted by: xXiZgOoDXx
btb (and currently ani btb) take the most skill. srry u cant argue against it. a group of 16 highly skilled players will always produce a more skillfull tactical etc etc etc game then a group of 8. thats jst the way it is :) get a group of the best 8 default mlg players and come search out my party in ani btb, get beat bad, and learn jst how "skilled" u really are. :)

Im sorry, you are completely wrong. BTB players can be good, only a handful, but they are no where close to being as smart or skilled as MLG pros. MLG pros can go into any team playlist and dominate the other team because they have mastered the game. Skill is transferable between playlists, for the most part.

  • 01.08.2012 10:49 AM PDT

Nah. It's that folks like yourself are an accurate representation that is the real problem.
:/

  • 01.08.2012 10:50 AM PDT

i agree.
plus slayer is a really slow (crappy) gameplay compared to mlg, zb slayer, and even squad. that's because vanilla reach was dumbed down for the average person.

  • 01.08.2012 10:51 AM PDT


Posted by: The Tru7hiness
P.S. It IS relevant that your friends are your only subjects (Selection Bias)
I have taken statistics. I haven't played MLG with either of the two people I have played with in Matchmaking out of the three.

Explain to me why them being friends of mine is relevant to how players will have a lower k/d in MLG than default.

Hint: it isn't. This is nothing to do with selection bias because the two factors are completely unrelated.

  • 01.08.2012 10:53 AM PDT

Posted by: The Tru7hiness
P.S. It IS relevant that your friends are your only subjects (Selection Bias), and it DOESN'T matter that you've played with Cosssta (Outlier). Haven't you taken statistics?


More stats:
me- 2.51 overall/1,61 mlg
3.75 overall/1.44 mlg
1.13 overall/0.95 mlg
3.39 overall/1.59 mlg

honestly the first 3 people I looked at stats for

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  • 01.08.2012 10:54 AM PDT

2.00 overall/.8mlg
lol imbad

  • 01.08.2012 10:57 AM PDT

Not a friend of mine, Competitive 2.57 MLG 1.4

Not a friend of mine, Competitive 2.95 MLG 1.4 Perhaps less relevant because he only has 22 MLG games played, but it's still data.

  • 01.08.2012 10:57 AM PDT

Rule 1:
Empty balls are happy balls.

Just enjoy your games and get out more.

  • 01.08.2012 11:01 AM PDT

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