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Subject: K/D is not important because...

Player A averages 20 and 10 in a game

Player B averages 6 and 1 in a game


I think everyone would agree they would prefer Player A from the above example. Despite having a K/D of 2 compared to Player Bs 6 they are doing nearly all the work.

Surely the stat of Kills per game is the most important when judging a player. This coupled with K/D(aslong as they go positive) shows a player with the best ability.

This is why you shouldn't judge on K/D, some people have legitimate high K/Ds but actually contribute very little.

  • 01.08.2012 7:38 AM PDT

Or, you can play the person and get an idea of how good they are instead of basing their skill on something as easily manipulated as k/d. I've met some pretty terrible players with high k/ds before.

I have a somewhat high k/d and don't think I suck.

I also would like to point out that how much a person contributes to their team isn't based on how positive they went.

[Edited on 01.08.2012 7:43 AM PST]

  • 01.08.2012 7:40 AM PDT

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Playlist K/D + W/L ratio is the only way to properly read service records. The combined K/D on the front page of your record doesn't mean much.

  • 01.08.2012 7:42 AM PDT

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I do know that my k/d tells the whole story. You really don't need to know anything else.

  • 01.08.2012 8:12 AM PDT

hmm tbh i dont have a good K/D but wicked at halo:reach so yer i dont know why ppl brag for no reason about k/d spread





Posted by: psi5000
I do know that my k/d tells the whole story. You really don't need to know anything else.

  • 01.08.2012 8:16 AM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.

I'm really not sure how it is possible to base skill on stats.

  • 01.08.2012 8:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: DougiePooDollar
Player A averages 20 and 10 in a game

Player B averages 6 and 1 in a game
Player C averages 2 and 10

Regardless of what you think about player A and player B wouldn't you say player C is bad?

K/D below 1 = BK. No exceptions.


[Edited on 01.08.2012 8:43 AM PST]

  • 01.08.2012 8:43 AM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.


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Posted by: DougiePooDollar
Player A averages 20 and 10 in a game

Player B averages 6 and 1 in a game
Player C averages 2 and 10

Regardless of what you think about player A and player B wouldn't you say player C is bad?

K/D below 1 = BK. No exceptions.

Player c averages 31 and 40

  • 01.08.2012 8:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: Stash Coaster

Posted by: DougiePooDollar
Player A averages 20 and 10 in a game

Player B averages 6 and 1 in a game
Player C averages 2 and 10

Regardless of what you think about player A and player B wouldn't you say player C is bad?

K/D below 1 = BK. No exceptions.

Player c averages 31 and 40
Player C is derp in your case as well. He needs to learn how to pick his spots better.

You can find plenty of bad players that have a good K/D

You cannot find any good players that have a bad K/D.

  • 01.08.2012 8:48 AM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.

Whatever floats your boat.

  • 01.08.2012 8:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: DougiePooDollar
Player A averages 20 and 10 in a game

Player B averages 6 and 1 in a game
Player C averages 2 and 10

Regardless of what you think about player A and player B wouldn't you say player C is bad?

K/D below 1 = BK. No exceptions.


And yet said player c probably makes the game far more exciting for all to play as it closens the two teams score.

player b ruins the game
player c makes it fun

  • 01.08.2012 8:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: TurnedSculpture
Whatever floats your boat.
Translation: you have no counter to my argument.


K/D under 1 = trash 100% of the time. Sorry I hate to break it to you guys but that's just the way it is. I don't mean to troll or anything, you can be bad and have an opinion. You can be bad and be cool.. but you can't be bad and good at the same time, at least not at Halo.

  • 01.08.2012 8:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: Stash Coaster

Posted by: DougiePooDollar
Player A averages 20 and 10 in a game

Player B averages 6 and 1 in a game
Player C averages 2 and 10

Regardless of what you think about player A and player B wouldn't you say player C is bad?

K/D below 1 = BK. No exceptions.


And yet said player c probably makes the game far more exciting for all to play as it closens the two teams score.

player b ruins the game
player c makes it fun
Player B might be a bad player that only cares to boost his K/D in the cheapest ways possible. Player C is a bad player who just does not care. That does not negate that they are both bad. Based off stats alone I would not want either of them on my team to be honest... but hey they could both be very cool guys. Cool guys that are bad at Halo.

  • 01.08.2012 8:59 AM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.


Posted by: Stash Coaster

Posted by: TurnedSculpture
Whatever floats your boat.
Translation: you have no counter to my argument.


K/D under 1 = trash 100% of the time. Sorry I hate to break it to you guys but that's just the way it is. I don't mean to troll or anything, you can be bad and have an opinion. You can be bad and be cool.. but you can't be bad and good at the same time, at least not at Halo.

How about this:

You are in a big team game with 34 kills, and some random inheritor comes along and decimates you with the banshee. K/D is almost based more on other people than you.

  • 01.08.2012 8:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: TurnedSculpture

Posted by: Stash Coaster

Posted by: TurnedSculpture
Whatever floats your boat.
Translation: you have no counter to my argument.


K/D under 1 = trash 100% of the time. Sorry I hate to break it to you guys but that's just the way it is. I don't mean to troll or anything, you can be bad and have an opinion. You can be bad and be cool.. but you can't be bad and good at the same time, at least not at Halo.

How about this:

You are in a big team game with 34 kills, and some random inheritor comes along and decimates you with the banshee. K/D is almost based more on other people than you.
We are not talking about a single game we are talking about averages.

While one game can be exciting the stats from a single game are utterly meaningless when it comes to judging the skill of a player.

Your example is completely flawed. First rank means nothing and second not every game is against spawn camping people, in fact most games are not. The guy you invented is almost statistically impossible to begin with as there is not enough time in a BTB game for someone to get averages like that, even if every single game is objective.

  • 01.08.2012 9:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Or, you can play the person and get an idea of how good they are instead of basing their skill on something as easily manipulated as k/d. I've met some pretty terrible players with high k/ds before.

I have a somewhat high k/d and don't think I suck.

I also would like to point out that how much a person contributes to their team isn't based on how positive they went.
Depends if it's slayer, or not. Generally, getting a lot of kills and the least amount of deaths is beneficial for the team.

  • 01.08.2012 9:06 AM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.

Posted by: Stash Coaster
I see your point, but still:

K/D is more based on other people.

[Edited on 01.08.2012 9:08 AM PST]

  • 01.08.2012 9:07 AM PDT
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Posted by: TurnedSculpture
Posted by: Stash Coaster
I see your point, but still:

K/D is more based on other people.
I still want to see these good players with bad K/D's that you seem to think exist though.

I normally steer clear of these K/D threads but that was actually a good debate.

  • 01.08.2012 9:12 AM PDT


Posted by: TurnedSculpture
I'm really not sure how it is possible to base skill on stats.


Agreed.

This alt acct was made last night, for fun, I did nothing but play Grifball, and ended up with a 1.96 K/D....talk about 'stat' padding.

What was even more funny, was to listen to people during the game about the "recruit" and all the other off color comments and such. It was really quite funny to hear people bashing a 'Noob' as they were getting creamed, when I have been playing this game for over a year, and adds to the argument about rank equaling skill.

K/D doesn't mean whoop in Reach, as it an easy stat to pad.

  • 01.08.2012 9:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Or, you can play the person and get an idea of how good they are instead of basing their skill on something as easily manipulated as k/d. I've met some pretty terrible players with high k/ds before.

I have a somewhat high k/d and don't think I suck.

I also would like to point out that how much a person contributes to their team isn't based on how positive they went.

  • 01.08.2012 9:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
I also would like to point out that how much a person contributes to their team isn't based on how positive they went.
I don't have a problem with that part but going negitive does not help your team at all. And don't give me the objective BS, running in solo with an objective does nothing to help your team.

  • 01.08.2012 10:15 AM PDT

Posted by: Bungies Boy
Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
I also would like to point out that how much a person contributes to their team isn't based on how positive they went.
I don't have a problem with that part but going negitive does not help your team at all. And don't give me the objective BS, running in solo with an objective does nothing to help your team.
Derp

You can help the team and still wind up going negative. Until you let go of your k/d, you won't get any better.

  • 01.08.2012 10:38 AM PDT

Serick Colver

What's K/D?

  • 01.08.2012 10:39 AM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.

Kills divided by deaths. Yours is 0.82

  • 01.08.2012 10:41 AM PDT

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