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Subject: The real problem is that there is no real problem
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If you take a better look at the statement, it holds meaning on more than just the topic's title.
Posted by: American Recoil
The title doesn't matter. It is simply a play on words. Something to open your mind. You are over analyzing my title, reply in regards to the body of the OP, not the title.


[Edited on 01.08.2012 11:57 AM PST]

  • 01.08.2012 11:55 AM PDT

I remember when I used this space to put cool looking links to my chapters back in the day. I don't even know why I'm using it now. Why are you even reading this? You must be interested in me. Still reading?

"1 <> 0" holds very little water besides that of the title. You aren't the first to say something about the title though.

  • 01.08.2012 11:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan091693
Where is this people complaining about titles you speak of?
Really? There is usually a daily thread complaining about them.

  • 01.08.2012 11:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: American Recoil
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Maybe there are no problems.

But you know what? I don't think that's the point. People do enjoy spending time here. A year ago, I think I could've happily agreed with you, then I realised that actually, people don't whine or beg for new features, or fixes because anything is broken.
They do it because they want a part in making this site, and the experience better for themselves and the community. It's a feeling of belonging, and being able to use this area of the site as a Vox Populi, to get their own views across, while having others give their own opinions on the matters in hand.

The fact is, without people posting their ideas, and what they think the site needs, a huge part, of what this forum (I believe) is intended for would be lost.
Right on the money, the part that worries me is the ugliness towards each other over these ideas and suggestions.

Without ideas or suggestions, where is the community aspect of these forums? Exactly, thus I agree with you.
Heh.
The attitudes presented on these forums are no different to what would happen anywhere else on the internet.
People are presented with anonymity, but also an online 'reputation' to keep up, people will defend themselves and go out all guns blazing if they feel themselves 'threatened'.
Tension always arises when people present conflicting ideas, I could bring up plenty of examples throughout history, and in the present day of this. As things go, arguing is fun!
Hostility is just a by-product of people getting a little too carried away.
I'm all for telling people to chill, kiss and make up. But I don't think that stopping the natural flow of discussion and debating here is going to produce and end to that.

The only person who, in the end dictates what you post and how you post is yourself. Until people actively step up and say; 'You know what, I'm better than this' for themselves, then it's always going to carry on.


[Edited on 01.08.2012 12:14 PM PST]

  • 01.08.2012 12:13 PM PDT
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In the original post, you state many problems within the community, while you say that there is only one problem, as you say that there are no problems. You've already proven to yourself that there is more than one problem with the community, but you refuse admit it. You're confusing the statement of there is only one problem that really matters to me with the statements there is only one problem and there are no problems.

I'm also proving to you that, although you see it one way, many users see it differently entirely: It's a matter of opinion.
Posted by: American Recoil
"1 <> 0" holds very little water besides that of the title. You aren't the first to say something about the title though.

  • 01.08.2012 12:19 PM PDT

I remember when I used this space to put cool looking links to my chapters back in the day. I don't even know why I'm using it now. Why are you even reading this? You must be interested in me. Still reading?

Posted by: Izak609
In the original post, you state many problems within the community, while you say that there is only one problem, as you say that there are no problems. You've already proven to yourself that there is more than one problem with the community, but you refuse admit it. You're confusing the statement of there is only one problem that really matters to me with the statements there is only one problem and there are no problems.

I'm also proving to you that, although you see it one way, many users see it differently entirely: It's a matter of opinion.
Posted by: American Recoil
"1 <> 0" holds very little water besides that of the title. You aren't the first to say something about the title though.
The things I listed aren't problems. They are topics people endlessly battle about and attempt to make them problems, when they really aren't. They don't hinder the site in any way nor do they affect the posting abilities. The only thing the can be considered are headaches or even fire starters between members,

Also, everything is opinionated here on B.net. That argument is irrelevant. I'm simply throwing a realistic viewpoint out for discussion. Yes, an opinion but telling me it is an opinion does very little good towards this discussion you and I are having.

Instead of picking apart my grammar, motives, and accuracy of the structure of how I built my idea, try throwing in your own opinion about the topic I describe.

[Edited on 01.08.2012 12:29 PM PST]

  • 01.08.2012 12:24 PM PDT
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You have no idea how badly I busted out laughing.
Posted by: American Recoil
Also, everything is opinionated here on B.net. That argument is irrelevant.

If you haven't yet notice, I already have several times.
Posted by: American Recoil
try throwing in your own opinion about the topic I describe.


[Edited on 01.08.2012 12:34 PM PST]

  • 01.08.2012 12:33 PM PDT

I remember when I used this space to put cool looking links to my chapters back in the day. I don't even know why I'm using it now. Why are you even reading this? You must be interested in me. Still reading?

Posted by: Izak609
You have no idea how badly I busted out laughing.
Posted by: American Recoil
Also, everything is opinionated here on B.net. That argument is irrelevant.

If you haven't yet notice, I already have several times.
Posted by: American Recoil
try throwing in your own opinion about the topic I describe.
It seems like the only point of you posting in this thread is to sort of attempt to "beat" me or something along those lines. You have barely contributed to the actual discussion but instead you pick apart my mechanics. If you can't even attempt to hold a decent conversation, then please stop trying to waste my time.

Posted by: Izak609
One does not equal zero.
Posted by: American Recoil
Posted by: Izak609
1 <> 0
Hmm?

You started by criticizing the mechanics behind bringing my point about. This had nothing to do with the discussion I was attempting to bring about.

Posted by: Izak609
You're stating that there is only one problem, as you're stating that there is no problem.
I put emphasis on there being more than no problems, although it or they can be very unproblematic.
Posted by: American Recoil
Posted by: Izak609
One does not equal zero.
Explain your connection?
You then attempted to say something intellectual, I guess but then quickly strayed from it.

Posted by: Izak609
In the original post, you state many problems within the community, while you say that there is only one problem, as you say that there are no problems. You've already proven to yourself that there is more than one problem with the community, but you refuse admit it. You're confusing the statement of there is only one problem that really matters to me with the statements there is only one problem and there are no problems.

I'm also proving to you that, although you see it one way, many users see it differently entirely: It's a matter of opinion.
Posted by: American Recoil
"1 <> 0" holds very little water besides that of the title. You aren't the first to say something about the title though.
You then again point out mistakes that you had to over analyze and again not attempting to give your opinion about the topic, but focused on the structure of the OP. You then ended with everything being an opinion.

Posted by: Izak609
You have no idea how badly I busted out laughing.
Posted by: American Recoil
Also, everything is opinionated here on B.net. That argument is irrelevant.

If you haven't yet notice, I already have several times.
Posted by: American Recoil
try throwing in your own opinion about the topic I describe.
You then throw in an attempt to lower my demeanor with laughter? I could honestly care less if you can't take this thread seriously. This entire time I've simply attempted to agitate some on-topic discussion out of you therefore making me hypocritical by posting off topic as well. This is my last time attempting to fish some mature chatter out of you instead of overly critical "opinion" talk.

Shall I start? Please, Izak, give me your opinion of the main idea of my OP without saying anything along the lines of "You obviously stated that their are no problems and persist to state a list of problems." please? I've already explained that one to you once.

  • 01.08.2012 12:56 PM PDT
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It seems you've already made up your mind on the only thing my posts could possibly be about to you from post one. I've been trying to tell you what my post really meant, what it was actually about, what I am trying to get out of saying it to you, and what I'm really saying.

If you believe I'm only here to annoy or one up you, so be it. I'll just reiterate like you've ask me to and stop my "non-contribution" to this discussion.

I'm only trying to say that you've stated several problems in your original post with the community. Such problems might mean so little to you as you've stated it as no problem and said it all contributes to one problem which is the bringing up of such "problems", but I'm telling you that it does mean something to those who feel intent in discussing them, unlike you do, which is their opinion on the importance of the subject and how much the users enjoy such discussion.

If you wanted to know, I laughed because "Also, everything is opinionated here on B.net. That argument is irrelevant." sounds like Also, everything is opinionated here on Bungie.net, but that can't possibly have anything to do with what you're trying to tell me. and to an extant sounded like Also, everything is opinionated here on B.net. Your opinion is irrelevant though.
Posted by: American Recoil
You started by criticizing the mechanics behind bringing my point about. This had nothing to do with the discussion I was attempting to bring about.

  • 01.08.2012 1:34 PM PDT

I remember when I used this space to put cool looking links to my chapters back in the day. I don't even know why I'm using it now. Why are you even reading this? You must be interested in me. Still reading?

Posted by: Izak609How are they problems? Problems require solutions for the betterment of the product, whatever it may be. These few things I listed do not require any solution for the betterment of the community.

In the sense of titles, removing the titles would simply satisfy the half ho hate them and then irritate the half who enjoyed them. The one who didn't care obviously wouldn't sway either way. All in all, removing titles would end this constant loop of complaint threads but would only create a new wave of complaint threads asking for them to be reinstated therefore, not being a problem.

[Edited on 01.08.2012 1:44 PM PST]

  • 01.08.2012 1:43 PM PDT
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They might or might not be problems, sure, but someone enjoys discussing something if they reply to the subject.
Posted by: American Recoil
How are they problems? Problems require solutions for the betterment of the product, whatever it may be. These few things I listed do not require any solution for the betterment of the community.

  • 01.08.2012 1:46 PM PDT

There should be a problem so the problem of being no real problem can be solved.

So, we need a problem so there can be a solution.

  • 01.08.2012 1:59 PM PDT
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American Recoil

You're right... because you're MYTHIC

:D

OT: You are actually correct. :)

As they say on the Internet these days, 'Haters gonna hate'.

The value of things such as member titles and forum privileges comes down to each individual and some people just like to stir the pot, whilst others aren't tall enough to see over the lip of the pot.

It's a bit of a vicious cycle, and no amount of enlightenment will ever change that; It's the Internet after all. Stupidity reigns supreme [not to sound elitist, because we've all said and done dumb things before]

At the end of the day, there will always be a thread about the 'importance of member titles' or how 'Bungee suxorz for not repleying to meh' or 'it's too quiet, my life is filled by nothing now!', and this cycle of stupidity will only increase ten fold when we get new members, many of which may never have experienced Bungie, or a community like ours.

I'm not suggesting that one should not care, but rather acceptance and tolerance of the ignorance of some of our members is easier than kicking up a stink and not really achieving anything in the long run.

~Ben.

  • 01.08.2012 2:43 PM PDT

Titles are the subject of my personal diary, what else do you expect me to write about in that thing? I go to an online school, eat only hot pockets, and sleep on a stone cold slab in my mother's basement only padded my those aluminum foil wrapper thingy's that you're supposed to microwave the hot pocket with but nobody ever does.



On a more serious note: I totally agree, however I would like to see more ride-alongs, those are fun.

[Edited on 01.08.2012 3:02 PM PST]

  • 01.08.2012 3:01 PM PDT

I acknowledge my user name is stupid. However, I promise I'm not.

Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

I agree with you wholeheartedly, OP.

  • 01.08.2012 3:04 PM PDT

"We live in a special time; the only time where we can observationally verify that we live in a very special time" - Lawrence Krauss.

I was a finalist :P

While you may be generalising a little, I somewhat agree.

People complain because they have an unmet need. This need can be something legitimate, or it could be someone complaining solely to attain some sort of social connection. The second half is basically what you are referring to - users who act "innocent", but are basically using the negative talk to relay the concept that they have a problem (not related to the issue), in the real world, and use this method as an avenue for more greater social connection.

However, you are forgetting about the complainers who aren't habitual, who aren't "complaining for the sake of complaining", and have topics which are valid and invoke serious discussion within the community (note that the validity of the discussion can be viewed upon differently, as what constitutes a valid complaint is subjective between users). Who are we to say that they cannot be heard?

This site isn't perfect (in fact no site is), and I'm pretty sure that Bungie wishes to get feedback from us on a range of issues; otherwise, how can this site be improved?

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  • 01.08.2012 4:33 PM PDT

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So... True. (Sometimes) Because 25% of the community sometimes bicker about something that can change Halo as we know it
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Posted by: spartain ken 15
I think in this time of darkness we see who are the biggest Bungie fans and users are.

While the issues might be trivial at best, it is all we have to pass the time.

But, we can make a few good suggestions to help the new hawtness that is coming. One feature that NEEDS to be addressed is the group joining issue and the host not taking a user off the roster.


Ken, when are you going to stop saying things NEED to be addressed because you personally are affected by them? When are you going to suggest something broadly constructive, and not just because you have an issue with it?

  • 01.08.2012 4:41 PM PDT

"We live in a special time; the only time where we can observationally verify that we live in a very special time" - Lawrence Krauss.

I was a finalist :P


Posted by: LH Justin
He's not attacking anyone. He's simply saying that people are making threads just to complain and have something to talk about, which they are....

The second sentence is only true up until a certain point.

Yes; there are going to be threads involving complaints which sound asinine and are completely overzealous, when compared to how big a problem the actual problem is. But one can't simply make that partially irrational, twenty-word statement, and expect it to hold true for every single complaint thread which is open to the community for discussion.

A complaint may actually be an expression of dissatisfaction over a certain concept, but it also can be used to enhance or improve a certain idea. Some users who wish to complain about something, want to bounce ideas with fellow forum goers to see how they can improve the specific problem, and possibly improve Bungie.net for the better.

Believe it or not, Bungie.net may not be that golden utopia that others users are currently in. And what other possible way is there to get their thoughts out, and have the chance to improve their own experience (which I personally think everyone has the right to do) then to complain and speak what is on their minds?

Another point is to see if they can find other users with a particular problem at hand. If only one user has a problem, it may be a minor - possible irrelevant - issue. If more and more people have a problem, then it could be something which needs more attention, something which can be overcome when one of our benefactors clicks said complaint thread and can visualise the statement: "Hey, I have a problem here, and other people do too"

Complains aren't always wanting to fix something which ain't broke, they may wish to enhance something just because they feel not only will it benefit just themselves, but rather improve the community.

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  • 01.09.2012 3:06 AM PDT

Ah, someone leaked. Now to find the leak and.... plug it.
With justice.

I use coup 5
Never Played halo 1 = Invalid opinion
Bloom isn't whats broken, its your idea of what good is and your opinion
Thats like saying uber nerf armor lock because like 20 percent of the community hates it. Oh wait..................

I agree with you on this however i will disagree in one small instance.

SOPA and PIPA threads are very important... that is the only real problem being talked about here and on the flood.

  • 01.09.2012 1:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: American Recoil
Posted by: Spartan091693
It's only the butt-hurt 14 year olds that want to be 1337 MyTh1C M3mB3rs that complain.
Impatient and unappreciative


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Time itself never really reveals knowledge, because the knowledge you precieve to be revealed was already there.

With time, come awareness. Awareness turns to knowledge, knowledge to wisdom. Wisdom is power.

wisdom = wise dome.

  • 01.09.2012 3:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan091693
Where is this people complaining about titles you speak of?
Really? There is usually a daily thread complaining about them.

  • 01.09.2012 4:00 PM PDT

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It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

A perma ban of a few members would improve moral.

  • 01.09.2012 4:32 PM PDT

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