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  • 05.14.2006 6:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tpot
FRANKIE FRANKIE FRANKIE!!!!!

okay have i got your attention yet? (PS please read the bottom of this post Frankie - the most important question is there) Alright...good. Now mister I firstly have to say THANK GOD for bungies announcement of halo 3. Although in repsone to the comments written on the announcement trailer part of the site - it is a complete lie that no one thought halo 3 was your ever-discussed 'new project'. I hate to be that annoying guy who is like 'i knew i knew im so great' but seriously..... i knew. I mean c'mon! After the record-breaking success of Halo 2, how could ol' gatesy boy let you guys work on anything else!? You made him so much money! The only other piece of evidence - and in actual fact the only piece of evidence I was ever going by - that I have to suggest I knew it was Halo 3 is that YOU WERE SO DAMN SECRETIVE about your 'new project' - and what kind of secrecy could exist outside of the guaranteed success of a Halo 2 sequel? After all bungie is a company - and companies like to make money.

My next comment is damn all the posters on the site for being so smart... I would have never come to any of the conclusions they have about the trailer (and hence never have gotten all the juicy goss created from their questions). This may be due to the fact that although I have played Halo and Halo 2 through at least 200 times I have skipped through the trailer every single time - I'm sorry mr. cinematics guy; I LIKE THE GAME.

One quick question about the forums (and im now preparing myslef for all the angry posts) is - WHY do most posters not understand the difference between 'there' and 'THEIR'??!!?? I hate to be an intellectual snob but they are two different words for a reason! 'there' is used for "Hey, look over there!" (i.e. it refers to an area or place) and 'their' refers to to someone, or a group of peoples' possessions, as in "Have you been over to their place". Anyway - that just always bugs me. [EDIT] just another point as inspired by atkins diet (no offence dude - i usually agree with what u have to say) another big no-no is how no-one uses (or even mis-uses) "they're" -it mrans THEY ARE- so dont use their or there instead (god im 4N4L) [EDIT]

I must say I am a self-confessed Halo 2 addict. I normally live in Australia, but now I find myself in Tokyo, Japan (yeh like you needed to know where Tokyo is). Tokyo is an awesome AWESOME place but the biggest problem with this place is that EVERYONE IS JAPANESE AND THEY LOVE THEIR PS2s. Frankie - FRANKIE please help me HERE. I NEED, and i emphasize, NEED to know where I can play Halo 2 in tokyo on XBOX live! I am having serious withdrawals......

its funny - I smoked a lot of weed when i lived in Australia, and yet I havent smoked in Tokyo since ive been here, but i dont miss it! Halo 2 i DO miss!! so PLEASE frankie - if you dont know yourself ask around the bungie studios cos i am dying to play again!

Please send your answer to steve_baker_@hotmail.com cos I only check the bungie website every-so-often (I dont have internet at home here) and like i said i NEED to know!

I await your reply. Peace and re-incarnation to all...


Posted on The weekly update Halo 3 Announcement .

Nobody saw it coming. Halo 3! Who knew? For the last year or two, people have speculated about what our next project was and surprisingly, in all that time, not a single person guessed that it would be Halo 3. Not one.
We declare it the best kept secret ever.

(Inserts a Pic I" think" was tossed around the internet)

Seriously though, it's been a chore biting our tongues on this one. Call it a combination of studio secrecy, corporate secrecy, Bill Gates already announcing it four times and, you know, whatever

I laughed when read this. (Bungies post ..not yours). It's so sacarstic it not funny. I think he's sayiing its Obviously NOT the best kept secret of all times"bill gates announing it four times".... It's obvious bungie Knew that we knew.......its Bungie bro.... they are funny like that.

and all you hear in here is speculation...most of us admit of probably being completely wrong.

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  • 05.14.2006 7:11 PM PDT
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Well if it isn't the MA5B assault rifle. Then what is it? The MA6B?

  • 05.14.2006 7:17 PM PDT
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why is thier a assault rifle in there i mean really r they bringing back some old stuff or somthing and in the back round wtf is with the some what built halo's????

  • 05.14.2006 7:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Roket
You told us that the covenent have control of earth How. In Halo 2 it is stated that the only place on earth that the coventent landed was New Monbassa. And the fleet that atacked Reach was 3 times the size of the fleet that was atacking earth at the start of Halo 2. So your telling me that that small covennet fleet wiped out the whole UNSC fleet apart from the Mac gun that the admiral in on . And after the covernent carier slip spaced inside new monbasa more Covernet landed and took over the world kiling all of the UNSC forces including the Marines.

The Marines are what makes Halo and Halo 2 Awsome please dont tell me that that there all dead. sorry about the bad spelling!

you have probally herd al of this before but i need to Know.
sorry about the bad spelling!


I think thats when they left... Upon return, the only thing left was CAIRO STATION..."which you save".

Damn and all ever wanted to know was if Bungie and or Mart are Pink Floyd Fans?
caan you guys please reply to my Questinn

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  • 05.14.2006 7:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Joe tha merciles
FINALY!!!! a good game for the 360!!!!!!

What are you talking about? ever heard of Gears of War?


Posted by: Gamefan360



Now to the Update:

WOW, that was really cool! I never expected it to look that good. Damn those guys are something. The music was a little over the top though I thought. But I have confidence that Marty will pull through, because his music is always excellent. Maybe its an example of what direction he is heading? And what of the Arbiter? What of the flood? God I hope there is a lot of flood. I love them. I also want to ride the dinos:)

*sigh* that sucks that it is the last one. Damn you Bungie. Well, I guess the map editor is even more important then!

Oh, and Please show the demo. Or at least some pics of the Ships!
-Aktins Diet
Edit: I change my mind on the music. I guess I did not "feel" it cause it was so alien. But now it feels right.... Thought I might let you know. Good job Marty.


Yeah thats right. Edit yourself for complaining about greatness.

ROFLE. I laughed when I saw that. But your right. The music was fantastic. I don't really know what I was thinking.
-Aktins Diet

  • 05.14.2006 7:29 PM PDT
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Not sure if this is where to ask questions but...

When cortona says



"I am your shield, I am your SWORD."



was that meant to be taken as a biblical quote? if that question makes any sense
Thanks, Erik J.

  • 05.14.2006 8:46 PM PDT
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do we get to finally get to see wat master cheif looks like in halo 3

  • 05.14.2006 8:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: xlx matrix xlx
do we get to finally get to see wat master cheif looks like in halo 3

Look on the left side of the home page for Bungie.net, and thats what he looks like in halo 3. >_<
-Aktins Diet

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Hey Man i got a question, Does the Forerunner ship the master cheif was on have anything to do with the "artifact" in the trailer. o and another thing Does the trailer really have a secret message or are we just guessing our a** off for nothing..

(BTW nice graphics with the Chief with HDR lighting looks so darn real i almost got fooled )

PS: i eat soap

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wat i mean is without the helmet i already kno wat he looks like i watched the trailor
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Posted by: xlx matrix xlx
do we get to finally get to see wat master cheif looks like in halo 3

Look on the left side of the home page for Bungie.net, and thats what he looks like in halo 3. >_<
-Aktins Diet


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also all i hear about is h3 for xbox 360 is it for xbox to

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Here is my request for the next Mister Chief. Based on how HOT the Edmonton Oilers are playing right now in the NHL Western Conference Finals I would like to see Mister Chief show his support by donning the Edmonton Oilers Jersey! That would be so awsome! If anyone deserves to make the 2006 draft, it's mister chief.

  • 05.15.2006 12:19 AM PDT

I got just a few things...

1) "First up - Bad news for about 200 of the most serious bridgers, standbyers and boosters yesterday - we banned them.'

Please stop acting like you guys are doing something about cheating. You have done a piss poor job of preventing it in the first place, stopping it period, or even lessining it. I will blatantly say that if I were in charge of it, it would have been stopped months ago.

2) Q."Why is the Assault Rifle in there?

A. Who says it's the standard Assault Rifle? Doesn't look identical to me…"


This is the worst news since the release of the trailer. And actually I have studied this for several hours and concluded that the gun was identical to the assault rifle for Halo:CE except that the barrel was slightly longer (maybe an inch). Anyway IF this gun is a fully automatic rifle that has the range of a BR (which im not sure what else it could be), then congrats bungie, you have already made H3 another average FPS.

3) That was a pretty good update...it answered a lot of questions.


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  • 05.15.2006 12:29 AM PDT
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Frankie.

Mister Chief has in many ways become more famous than Master Chief. Will he be making any hidden appearances in the game?

Also have you guys been able to correct the physics so its impossible to super bounce in Halo 3?

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I got just one question, and it's probably already been answered but i can 't seem to find it if it has, 'Cortana' in the trailer does seem different i was wondering if it was in fact Dr. Halsey from the books? they would look similar because Cortana was built and modelled on the good doctor... and even had her personality drafted into the AI...

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Will the dynamics of the game stay the same? I certainly hope so. You've said this will be the last installment of the halo trilogy. Well that sucks!! Is there any hope of the halo dynamics being used for other bungie products or an off shoot of master chief exploring the galaxy discovering a new race or alliance of races? If not please sell the rights to the dynamics so others might make something Haloesk. Personally the feel of halos controls and the interactment between enviorment and gameplay should be the model for all programers to emulate

  • 05.15.2006 4:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: xlx matrix xlx
also all i hear about is h3 for xbox 360 is it for xbox to


No, it'll just be for 360. The graphics will be too advanced for the original Xbox.

  • 05.15.2006 5:55 AM PDT
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Dubble poast LAWL

People are thinking that the rifle in the trailer is the MA2B, mentioned in the Halo novels. It's a slightly smaller version of the MA5B

  • 05.15.2006 5:57 AM PDT
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Dear Bungie,
Bungie’s Next game (halo 3) is drawing closer to completion, and I am concerned about a few things that might not go in it, as in being left out, and things that should be changed. Note: its your game, you can do what ever you please, but I am just speaking from a fans perspective, and I think you might find a lot of people agree with me. Let me state this now that this post is not negative like last week at all. There were a lot of great achievements in Halo 2.

One such thing is the UI. The UI in halo 2 was the best I have ever seen in any game. It was extremely stylish, classic, simple, and easy for even the most novas of players. The reason it was simple was because there was no “clutter.” There is an old saying, to many cooks can spoil the broth. Well I think Bungie did an excellent job on the UI by not going over board. Bungie also had tips in there Halo 2 UI as part of a way to inform the players, but keep them busy while they wait for games. If I am correct on this, Bungie is credited for doing this in a first person shooter. (for such a detailed and myriad amount of tips in pre-game lobbies.) It also numerated the steps that the system was in, keeping us informed step by step, and thus giving the player more power and knowledge of what is going on. I think personally the Tips thing, though small, was clever, as well as the 1,2,3,4 steps. What also was clever was having boxes where players where shown, which in halo, showed Xbox controllers. It also showed there “logo” which is each players own identity. This was also very clever, and better then most games. The game setup was great to. My only complaint was that I felt like I did not have enough control on the game setting, like if I wanted were pistols on the map would spawn, I choose human pistol, and where BR’s spawn, I choose carbine. (I guess this is a feature, but I wish it was integrated.) There was 2 other things I did not like about the UI, and that was one, I wish there was a button (like the black button) where I could select someone to boot or give party leader. In halo 2, you have to hit Y, and then go all the way down to do so. It is just a convenient option. The last one is the friends and clan list itself. Granted, no other game has such a user friendly and eye appealing UI for this then Bungie, but I wish I had more control over it. I wish I could choose certain spots to be filled in with my friends. So for example, let’s say I have Steve, Frankie, bob, and Sketch on my friends list. Frankie is all the way down on the bottom, but I want him on top. Sketch is in the middle. But I want him bellow Steve, and bob is currently on top. If I could change this, it would be great, and give’s the player more control. This is so nice when there offline to. (for messaging them.) Also, I hate it when I first logon, and it says I have a message, but my friend is off, so I have to scroll down the list to get the message. It would be more convenient if messages were on top like friend requests. I also saw one of your early builds, where you could send files to one another. I think this would be such a great asset in a game. It would make the next project so much more then just as a game, but more as a social gathering. (Like halo 2 game rooms have become.) Best of all, its P2P, so its no cost to Bungie. (Though The bugs could get annoying to fix.) Overall, I think the UI system is a marvelous achievement of Bungie, and is defiantly the standard bar that gaming companies have to meet, which all have failed in this area. (Darn it!) Props to The UI Team, and I hope such a focus will be made to the next project as well.

What also should be focused on desperately is the network of the next project. What really brought halo 2’s destruction of being a bigger success then it already is in my opinion, is the stand-bys, bridging, and modding. Let’s start with what Halo 2 runs on for a network. Halo 2 operates by sending data to Bungie servers, and Xbox live servers once in a while, especially when looking for players or when a team wins. How do we play games then? Simple, Halo 2 runs on a P2P network, which is where one Xbox 360, will have the host, and sends all the data outward, and basically acts like its own server. It cost Bungie no bandwidth, and Bungie does not have to worry about tons of servers to cover and pay for. The down side to this, is that the person with host, has a Huge advantage over his players. For example, a person with host can kill anyone with 8 needles (one explosion) with the needier. But, it can take several explosions with people with non host. Lunging, lag, and the range of grenades all are impacted from the host. It can also be manipulated, to boot people, lag them, or force host on your own team, giving you the advantage, even though you may have DSL, and the other team has t1. Please Bungie, for the love of god, don’t set your next project as a P2P, except for custom games. Instead, invest in the servers. It will boost the life of the game for a long time.
A great way to rid stand-by folks is to do something very similar to Far Cry. It detects if a person is having a faulty connection, and boots them if it gets bad. If people have ISP connections that are that bad, they need a new ISP, because they are hurting everyone’s fun factor. Besides, how many people have that problem anyways? Speaking of fun factor, This may be off the topic, but one thing that can make a game playable for ever is the ability to create/customize stuff. Gamers are like noob game designers. All they want to do is make there own stuff and play it, and have fun. Look at Far Cry. Its simple editor is extremely cool to use, and even though it is limited on what you can put down, players have learned to be creative around it. If Bungie was to Create a Map editor for there new game, it would be a Big hit. Best of all, you could do it Far Cry style, make the players Share the map P2P. Again, no extra cost, and you continue the fun factor, and making it a even better game. Plus you get the kicks of seeing some really creative maps that your fans made from your creation.
The lunging system in halo 2 was…. Frustrating; granted, it is one of the most sophisticated melee systems of any video game. For example, if one has the Brute Shot, and he runs at a person, aiming at the head, and moves his controller to the left a little at the exact same time as he punches, it’s an instant kill. The game itself is all about position, and timing. On LAN, you can see how good it is. Sadly, online, lag has a tole on it, and thus, sometimes it does things that should not happen. (2 people standing, 1 punching, and not hitting them.) Also, the idea of flying seems fun, but unrealistic, and sometimes annoying, especially when you fall off a cliff. >_<

Wow, that’s all I can think of now. (That I hear people talk about all the time, and things that most don’t notice unless they have a trained eye.) Over all, Halo 2 is a great game. Granted, you may hear folks saying it was not as good as halo 1, but that is because (what a some people think, but not all) of the story. Halo 2 strips Halo 1’s MP in my opinion. You may wonder why I do this, but the answer is simple, I care. I care enough about this Company, and believe it or not in its people, as well as the fans. I thought by stating some of the obvious, and some not so obvious, it might help some of the most talented game designers make an even better game.
-Aktins Diet

PS: Please bring in sprinting. It really makes FPS fun. :)


Now to the Update:

WOW, that was really cool! I never expected it to look that good. Damn those guys are something. The music was a little over the top though I thought. But I have confidence that Marty will pull through, because his music is always excellent. Maybe its an example of what direction he is heading? And what of the Arbiter? What of the flood? God I hope there is a lot of flood. I love them. I also want to ride the dinos:)

*sigh* that sucks that it is the last one. Damn you Bungie. Well, I guess the map editor is even more important then!

Oh, and Please show the demo. Or at least some pics of the Ships!
-Aktins Diet
Edit: I change my mind on the music. I guess I did not "feel" it cause it was so alien. But now it feels right.... Thought I might let you know. Good job Marty.



wow that guy just wrote an essay to Bungie about Halo 3...........


omfg.....

give it to your english teacher!
OMG LOL ATKINS HOLY SHAT DUDE WOW I CANT BELIVE U DID I TOLD U IN GROUP BUT I GUESS U DIDENT LISTEN WOW OMG LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO HOLY GOD!!

  • 05.15.2006 6:20 AM PDT
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Ok, played Halo: Combat Evolved. The Assault Rifle in the trailer is just about completely identical to the original, what's the deal ?
I really think you should be extremely careful on choices for weapons for the new Halo.
Think about it, the first Halo didn't have live, but it had System Link, but no one used it because the weapons didn't fit a multi-player battle. Halo 2 was so popular and worked great because it had different types of weapons, e.g. SMG is basically an AR and the Battle Rifle was a bit of a tactical weapon. What would a Halo Team Slayer be like if the main weapon was an AR ? It would feel so weird and un-Haloish.
Here's an idea, get 4 players to play Halo: Combat Evolved and see how much the Multi-player sucked, it wasn't rubbish, but it wasn't good, it was weird and just...I don't know how to explain it but it was really weird. Then play Halo 2 on a multi player...feel the difference and the opportunities that the weapon choice brings. Yes there are a few extra weapons in Halo 2, but the difference between the weapons gives you more choice and more of a battle. Feel the change the Halo 2 weapons bring about.
So, to the point, think extremely carefully about weapons for Halo 2, in my opinion i absoloutely hated the AR in Halo. Here you are thinking about the future of Halo, even though this is the last installation, think about it, most people have Halo 2 for the multi-player, because the Campaign became boring after completing it a few times. If there were rubbish weapons in Halo 3, there won't be much Halo 3 being bought or used, and i have a feeling a lot of people would buy the game, finish the story and go back to Halo 2 on Live.
Please think carefully on this, it's quite a concern really.

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Another thing, DO NOT bring in sprinting. Well it's your game, do as you wish, but i think you'd like the game to be good looking and still feel like Halo. You want the fans to enjoy Halo.

Anyway, sprinting wouldn't be a good idea, it would bring about many flaws and all the modifiers could mod the sprinting to run like hell, it would be crazy.
I think you'll want Halo 3 to feel like Halo 2 did, and for it to be as succesful, all Halo 3 needs is a brush up, some new weapons, keep some old succesful ones (BR and Carbine for example) maybe some new maps as well, but you could keep some maps from Halo and Halo 2, e.g Sidewinder, Zanzibar and Headlong.
Also i read somewhere that Zanzibar is to be in Halo 3, but a bit destroyed, quite barren, the sky will be red and it would basically be a destroyed power station. How the hell would that fit a battlefiled ?
Zanzibar has to be one of the favourite and most often used maps, i suggest you keep it.
Headlong, I used to hate it, played it a few times and I love it, even though we only ever have around 8 - 10 players using system link, but it's still good fun.
Coagulation, KEEP IT! It's probably the favourite map of all, it's great for CTF and Team Slayers, the open field makes room for vehicles, whereas the cliffs and shadow spots make great places for snipers. The caves and rocks/hills make good cover and help you get across the map in a way.
Sidewinder, this would be awesome for enhanced Halo. The map is icy and snowy, quite good looking. It's an orignal Halo map with 2 bases, could be good for CTF and Assault. The ice makes a hard getaway with the flag, as well as the map having cliffs for snipers and easy access to the base means the flag could be stolen easily but the defenders could get there easily too.
Overall, keep old stuff and add extras, would be a good idea. It keeps that Halo 2 feel in it, Halo 2 was amazing, especially the multi-player, i don't think change would be all to great. Keep what is there and add some extras.

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Posted by: Aktins_Diet
[quote]Posted by: Joe tha merciles
FINALY!!!! a good game for the 360!!!!!!


What are you talking about? ever heard of Gears of War?


[quote]Posted by: Gamefan360
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Lots others on the rise as well... i Have a 360 and Downloaded Losst PLanet DEmo. I am "NOT" a 3rd person shooter fan, but let me tell you as crapppy and unfinished as this DEMO is, it was alot of fun. Just pure fun. And theres others too.... just too many to list. I actually Halo 3 will have alot of competition if Bungie descides to make a Second Halo 2.

"I Miss The "Feel"- Halo: Combat Evolved Had. In Halo 2, I felt as if a was "Moving" around the environments... in Halo:Combat Evolved... i "Felt" as if I was actually there not just "moving" around the environments, but as if i was part of it.

  • 05.15.2006 6:44 AM PDT

Im sort-of a big deal.

I'm sure this has been discussed already, but I believe the Covenant and Humans are working together and have been for sometime. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems like thats the answer given the clues in the trailer as well as what has been said by Bungie. The sign with the grunt on it. The excavation team is made up of covenant ships. The banshee pilots look interesting as well. These are all clues. Maybe they aren't working together, but the covenant are certainly in control of the area. It seems they have accidentally activated the device since they are in such close proximity of what is assumed a destructive force. I am guessing that the environment looks the way it is because the ship that 117 was on reappeared inside the Earth's atmosphere. Does anybody know what the structure is that detonates? PM me if you know, thanks!

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Posted by: I Cadilllac I
I got just a few things...

1) "First up - Bad news for about 200 of the most serious bridgers, standbyers and boosters yesterday - we banned them.'

Please stop acting like you guys are doing something about cheating. You have done a piss poor job of preventing it in the first place, stopping it period, or even lessining it. I will blatantly say that if I were in charge of it, it would have been stopped months ago.

2) Q."Why is the Assault Rifle in there?

A. Who says it's the standard Assault Rifle? Doesn't look identical to me…"


This is the worst news since the release of the trailer. And actually I have studied this for several hours and concluded that the gun was identical to the assault rifle for Halo:CE except that the barrel was slightly longer (maybe an inch). Anyway IF this gun is a fully automatic rifle that has the range of a BR (which im not sure what else it could be), then congrats bungie, you have already made H3 another average FPS.

3) That was a pretty good update...it answered a lot of questions.


Its Obvious the new AR has differences..... The Barrell From what i can tell from military specs is ATLEAST 4 (four) to 6 (six) inch extension.( a 1 inch extension would make no sense and serve no purpose) An Extension to a Barrell usually has 2 reasons..... 1- it allows the bullet to spin longer before its released from the Barrell(if its a "RIFLED" Barrell and not "HONED) giving the Bullet a much Faster spin in turn giving it a much strated and more accurate Line of Flight. and 2- To help Bullet Drop, The Bullets should fire alitttle further, but not have as much drop. Longer Barrells usually mean better accuracy.... i mean the spread on a sawed off 4 inch shotgun is not going to be anywhere near as accurate as the spread on an 18 inch long shotgun... this is the best i can explain.

IM Hping for something similaar to the P-90 Tactical asssault rifle used my militant special ops.... a fully automatic fireing sequence.... and a a switchable Pin for single shot accuracy.... although i thgink the p-90 is an 8 inch Barrell.

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  • 05.15.2006 7:09 AM PDT