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Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

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Posted by: II Blite II
His "gear" works fine by the sounds of things. Please get your facts straight next time mate.

He says his HDTV has input lag. Many HDTVs have chronic input lag that ruins videogame control responsiveness.

I'm not sure how this equates to working fine.

Why don't you save your chronic elitism for the kids who think camo sniping is skillful?

[Edited on 01.09.2012 6:26 PM PST]

  • 01.09.2012 6:25 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

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Posted by: II Blite II
The TV works fine. It is not my fault he bought a poor HDTV for gaming. He should have thought about that before buying it.

Indeed. Pretty sure no one accused you, either, so I'm still mystified as to why you're here.

It's his money. He bought something, it doesn't perform how he wants (which he might have been able to avoid through research, but we all make mistakes and hindsight is 20/20), so now he wants an idea of what other people are using.

You're just being a dick about it. I'm all for that when the person deserves it (i.e. kids who say bloom requires more skill), but this doesn't really warrant it.

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  • 01.09.2012 6:34 PM PDT

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--Tea-baggers are funny, it's as if they think they are far more hetero than the people who do it in real life, because they use their e-ballsacks to do it. What a manly victory dance.
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I have a 4:3 HDTV, CRT. My xbox hates it, because how the hell is a 4:3 able to be hd?

I have to select 720p, wait for it to go black screen, and quickly back out and select 1080i before it comes out of black screen, otherwise my screen is indecipherable wavy lines. Or I can select 1800i, accept even though I can't see anything, and then select 720p and back out after it goes black, again, without being able to see what I'm doing.

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  • 01.09.2012 6:40 PM PDT

I use a 50 inch panasonic viera which has the game mode and its very good.
For anyone that hasn't got a game mode go to the tv settings and turn off all the fancy stuff like tru motion and 200hz.
Games run best at 60hz

  • 01.09.2012 6:46 PM PDT


Posted by: superhaloidbros
Emerson 13'


13 feet?

That's huge!

  • 01.09.2012 11:13 PM PDT

i use a Panasonic LCD. cant remember how big it is but its perfect for what i need

  • 01.09.2012 11:15 PM PDT

sony bravia 32 inch 1080p HD. <3 it i cant play in a standard tv that i cant see anything on it hurts my eyes and looks like bleh
HDMI ftw no input lag what so ever

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  • 01.10.2012 12:22 AM PDT

in my opinion, wont get any other tv except for panasonic, samsung and sony

  • 01.10.2012 12:43 AM PDT

Got a DMR sitting at ToD in every game type .... are you still going to call me a booster?

52" Sony XBR, 2009 model I believe. It was about $3800 new a few years ago, has HD, 240 motion flow, the whole nine yards. The thing is amazing for movies (blu-ray especially) and football on Sundays but get this:

It -blam!- sucks playing Swat split screen with my girlfriend. I have no idea what the hell happens but I can't see -blam!-, she can't see -blam!-, and we hate it.

Otherwise, the thing is awesome. And at this point I'm so used to it that when I try to play at my parents house with my brother (32" Samsung) or attempt to watch a movie or something it just looks grainy, dull and stupid.

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  • 01.10.2012 3:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: II Blite II

I think when someone says something like this they deserve the criticism they get as a result. Chances are you lost because the other person is better than you.


You're the reason this forum sucks now. So few people populate it that when a decent thread comes along with a valid question it is drowned out by dicks such as yourself. GTFO--you've made your point with "valid" criticism to the OP. We heard it. Several times. Let the grown ups talk.

OT: I use a Samsung 42" LCD listed as 120hz, but when I turn it on it says 60. I've got shutter reduction, smooth edges, frame smoothing, and anything else that seems like it would contribute to input late turned off. Yes, I'm bad, but sometimes it feels like I'm way behind my opponents in 1v1 battles. Whenever i play at my moms house with my little brother on her old, crappy 30" TV, infeel like a super hero in this game.

You guys using gaming monitors and such must get some advantage from it, or rather, an unobstructed view at the game. After all, wouldnt MLG run super huge HDTVs if it didn't matter? Seriously thinking of investing in a new set for gaming in the future.

Great thread, btw. Keep it up. The more feedback the better.



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  • 01.10.2012 5:32 AM PDT

LED has the best looking picutre...way better than lcd

  • 01.10.2012 5:39 AM PDT

Funny you should make this thread as I recently had this exact issue and I was getting extremely frustrated, I know exactly the type of input lag you are talking about and IT SUCKS...

I took two LED LCDS back to the shop purely for the fact that there was input lag on them which I never knew would be a problem but it was big time, input lag to me makes it feel like you're in low grav or slow motion or something

If your reading this and think it doesnt apply to your LCD/plasma you are incorrect. All LCD and plasmas have input lag for gaming. The only reason you dont notice it is because you have probbably always played on it so you dont know the difference. The delay is 5ms on all lcd and plasmas. If you want to find out for yourself hook your xbox up to a crt tv and you would think the joystick had become heaps sensative and you wouldnt be able to play how you normally would.


Anyway so after buying 2 tvs and taking them back because of annoying input lag I ended up browsing the web for
wide screen crt monitors. Dont get me wrong the 42inch and 26inch led tvs I bought were beautiful with crystal clear display but I was buying the TV specifically for gaming and they just werent right for it.

I ended up getting a second hand 32inch widescreen CRT Sony Trinitron for $250 (When they came out in 2001 the were $2.5K oh lord lol)

CRT Monitor users technically have a 5ms advantage, but to compete with this I think those who use lcd/plasmas have adjusted their playing style without even knowing their doing it

EDIT

Also I own Turtle Beach X41 wireless surround sound headset they're epic!!! Just make sure you stock up on rechargable batteries other wise you'll be burning a hole in you pocket, having said that each charge gets you a tonne of gaming time and I use them heavily (I was gunna go the Astro A40s but for how much more expensive they are than the x41s their no better imo, and i've used both sets)

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  • 01.10.2012 6:01 AM PDT


Posted by: Anthony2K6
T4R.

I swear I feel like everyone has the response of a CRT in the highly competitive matches I play. Ever since I decided to trade out the old low definition instant response tube for an HD LCD, I feel like I cant play at full potential despite being able to actually see everything now. Has anyone else become as crippled by input lag as me or is everyone who seriously plays still have a tube or an expensive gaming monitor?



Sorry OP I went off on a tagent, In answer to your question..

Yes I was as crippled by input lag as you when changing over to HD gaming.

My Solution: Take that tv back man look on the net for CRT monitors or even make a post on Facebook, I did and about 50 ppl jumped up and down trying to throw their old CRT monitors at me and some of them were nice to, they didnt even want money most of them, you got nothing to lose they're cheap as chips (Just dont do you back in transporting it mine weighs around 60kg!!!)

  • 01.10.2012 6:27 AM PDT

Breaking barriers.


Posted by: LETHAL DRONE
in my opinion, wont get any other tv except for panasonic, samsung and sony

LG, Samsung, Sony. Leave Panasonic behind.

  • 01.10.2012 6:43 AM PDT

chances are I don't care who you are or what you say.

Viewsonic LCD Monitor, 27" with a 1ms response time ;)

  • 01.10.2012 7:05 AM PDT

Not to be pedantic, but everyone seems to blaming input lag solely upon the monitor/tv.
There are many factors that contribute to input lag, however display lag rightly deserves to be labelled the main culprit.

The reason for this is that the majority of TV's are developed primarily for TV viewing, not gaming. From the manufacturers point of view what difference would it make to a viewers experience if the time between the TV receiving the signal and displaying the signal is delayed, the answer, none what so ever.

Obviously when it comes to gaming, this is clearly a big issue, which manufacturers have been addressing over the last few years.

The trouble is essentially two fold, processing time & response time.

The first issue was easily addressed by simply incorporating a gaming mode on the TV, which basically bypassed the image processing of the TV (i.e. as soon as the TV receives the signal it displays it)

The second issue was a much more difficult problem. CRT TV's have a almost instantaneous response time as do plasma TV's this is mainly due to reaction times of gas when stimulated by electrical signals.

LCD, LED LCD & TFT LCD meanwhile, all share the same problem in that the response time is dictated by the speed at which the Liquid Crystal molecules can twist when stimulated by electrical signals.
This unfortunately is the major cause of display lag, and while avoidable, as LCD, LED LCD & TFT LCD can achieve fast enough response times, it is generally over looked by many potential customers when looking at a long list of features particularly when it can lead to a potentially more expensive TV.

I was fortunately enough to buy a 42" Pioneer plasma 5 years ago which allowed me to avoid the above issued which I'm very glad of :)

  • 01.10.2012 7:08 AM PDT

I have xbox elite with 1080p rca lcd 40in hdmi cable i gave $1200 for everything a year ago it has 5 ms response time.it took me awhile to find that. I have no problem with gaming.

  • 01.10.2012 7:14 AM PDT

I play Halo using a 24 inch viewsonic monitor with Astro A40's.

I realize i have a massive advantage over the average player.

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Posted by: llDEATHDEALERll
I have xbox elite with 1080p rca lcd 40in hdmi cable i gave $1200 for everything a year ago it has 5 ms response time.it took me awhile to find that. I have no problem with gaming.


Is there a way to test response time on your tv?

  • 01.10.2012 7:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: Im Arsenic
I play Halo using a 24 inch viewsonic monitor with Astro A40's.

I realize i have a massive advantage over the average player.


Sarcasm?

  • 01.10.2012 7:18 AM PDT


Posted by: currdogg77777

Posted by: Im Arsenic
I play Halo using a 24 inch viewsonic monitor with Astro A40's.

I realize i have a massive advantage over the average player.


Sarcasm?


Nope

  • 01.10.2012 7:21 AM PDT

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