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Posted by: DARKZSOU7
How is his gloves different? They still look the same. If someon has prove that would be nice.


The part the covers the back of the hand, it almost has like a triangle look to it now, and before it was just a square with five indents in it, and the part that covers the forearm is not much different, but there is a couple more ingravings then before...

  • 05.12.2006 9:27 PM PDT

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The only thing different is his hand armor and bicep plate. Everything else looks different because everything is now normal mapped and in different pieces, in H2 everything was simply one block with bump maps on them making it look detailed. Now everything is "real"

  • 05.12.2006 9:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ckrpoint
Bungie never said that this trailer was a cutscene from the game. Because its not. It was simply made before E3 FOR E3.... Its a simple teaser trailer to announce Halo 3. Its not in the game. Why would cortana's face show up in front of the chief in a cutscene?


yeah, the Halo 2 annoucement was partically in the game, just edited a bit... and I know I read somewhere that the cutscene is from around 1/3 into the game, I coulda sworn it was someone from bungie in one of the updates or one of the Ign articles... Ill try to find the link...


OKAY, EDITED, Yeah, I cant find the link sorry, but I know I did read it somewhere, maybe just someone said it the first day the trailer came out and that stuck in my head and I forgot who said it...

I did find this though, to prove that it wasnt just a graphical upgrade on the MC's armor, this is from today's Update...

Barbaric Rage asks,

This has already been asked, but what's up with the dope new hand-armor for Chief?

You'll find out in due course. Maybe.

[Edited on 5/12/2006]

  • 05.12.2006 9:34 PM PDT
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scratch that, the leg armor IS different, but not too much it just looks like an extra plate was put over the indents...

[Edited on 5/12/2006]

  • 05.12.2006 9:35 PM PDT
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Personally, I think Bungie is going to try to keep Halo 3 mainstream. Millions of copies of the other 2 games were sold, and I doubt most of those people have read the books. I think that most of Halo 3's plot will be derived from events of the previous 2 games.

If you look at the Star Wars movies, most of the new movies undermine the books that were written so like other SF universes this Halo one may not be completely cohesive.

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Posted by: The Numb One
Posted by: Ckrpoint
Bungie never said that this trailer was a cutscene from the game. Because its not. It was simply made before E3 FOR E3.... Its a simple teaser trailer to announce Halo 3. Its not in the game. Why would cortana's face show up in front of the chief in a cutscene?


yeah, the Halo 2 annoucement was partically in the game, just edited a bit... and I know I read somewhere that the cutscene is from around 1/3 into the game, I coulda sworn it was someone from bungie in one of the updates or one of the Ign articles... Ill try to find the link...


OKAY, EDITED, Yeah, I cant find the link sorry, but I know I did read it somewhere, maybe just someone said it the first day the trailer came out and that stuck in my head and I forgot who said it...


I think I read that somewhere too, I dont think it was on an update though... Im pretty sure it was just people on the forums speculating...

  • 05.12.2006 9:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: The Numb One
Posted by: Ckrpoint
Bungie never said that this trailer was a cutscene from the game. Because its not. It was simply made before E3 FOR E3.... Its a simple teaser trailer to announce Halo 3. Its not in the game. Why would cortana's face show up in front of the chief in a cutscene?


yeah, the Halo 2 annoucement was partically in the game, just edited a bit... and I know I read somewhere that the cutscene is from around 1/3 into the game, I coulda sworn it was someone from bungie in one of the updates or one of the Ign articles... Ill try to find the link...


OKAY, EDITED, Yeah, I cant find the link sorry, but I know I did read it somewhere, maybe just someone said it the first day the trailer came out and that stuck in my head and I forgot who said it...


I think I read that somewhere too, I dont think it was on an update though... Im pretty sure it was just people on the forums speculating...

Ive read that Marty made the music last week for the trailer, so i dont think that trailer will be in the game and was only a one time deal for E3. But you never know, there still is a year of dev time left, anything can happen

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Posted by: The Numb One
still though... they changed both his gauntlets and his legs alot for it just to be a graphical upgrade... if it was, Im sure bungie would have said thats the reason his gloves and such changed, instead, they said "you'll find out..."

The Assault rifle is also more sleek, and streamlined.
Also, a few things on it are relocated a bit. (like the thing that chambers a round)

Graphics make things look more realistic and less bulky..that's all. It's not new armor and it's not a different Spartan

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  • 05.12.2006 9:55 PM PDT

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still though... they changed both his gauntlets and his legs alot for it just to be a graphical upgrade... if it was, Im sure bungie would have said thats the reason his gloves and such changed, instead, they said "you'll find out..."

The Assault rifle is also more sleek, and streamlined.
Also, a few things on it are relocated a bit. (like the thing that chambers a round)

Graphics make things look more realistic and less bulky..that's all. It's not new armor and it's not a different Spartan

Its normal mapping. In Halo 2, the MC character model was simply a huge flat surfaced block with shaded drawings on it to make the illusion of depth, which is called bump mapping. Now everything is real and seperate, everything has real depth

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa

Graphics make things look more realistic and less bulky..that's all. It's not new armor and it's not a different Spartan


I know its not a different spartan, Im one of the only few on this forum KNOWS that it IS the MC... haha, its rediculous how some of these people are with that... but yeah, my main reason for thinking that at least some of the armor is upgraded and not just graphical is cause Frankie himself said in todays update for the very last question...

Barbaric Rage asks,

This has already been asked, but what's up with the dope new hand-armor for Chief?

You'll find out in due course. Maybe.

THATS why I dont think its just the new graphics, if it was that simple, they would have just said so cause it has nothing to do with the storyline if its just new graphics...

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa

The Assault rifle is also more sleek, and streamlined.
Also, a few things on it are relocated a bit. (like the thing that chambers a round)


Yeah, Frankie didnt say it wasnt the Assult Rifle, but he didnt say it was either... he said "Not Quite..." when someone asked if it was the AR :) hopefully it will own even more then it did in H1

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Posted by: Major Harris
It is probably simple field replacements. Not every piece of armor is gonna look the same. Remember First Strike, where Fred got the glove with the enhanced motion tracker? Maybe it's like that.


My initial reaction was that Bungie was going to update the motion tracker system.... one must admit that it's rather limited.

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Posted by: Major Harris
It is probably simple field replacements. Not every piece of armor is gonna look the same. Remember First Strike, where Fred got the glove with the enhanced motion tracker? Maybe it's like that.


My initial reaction was that Bungie was going to update the motion tracker system.... one must admit that it's rather limited.


Whoa, I never even thought of that... that would be pretty sweet...

  • 05.12.2006 10:46 PM PDT
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I have talked about the differences of the trailer armor and the Mk. VI it doesnt look like its a new type but more like the good old Mk. V the gloves and leg pieces may be some of the prototypes that were given to the other Spartans but the helmet is for sure not the Mk. VI we can't be certain about the other pieces since the differences are suttle.

  • 05.12.2006 11:16 PM PDT
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Basically Bungie has upgraded the graphics to make certain the Master Chief looks cool to everyone. They also want the image of the Master Chief to build to the atmosphere of the game. Does anyone actually believe they'd rather see the Halo 2 MC graphics or the new ones from Halo 3? I think the new modified design for the Master Chief seems more fitting than either Halo CE, or Halo 2. The reason behind this is that Spartan 117 appears a bit chunky in Halo CE, whilst in Halo 2 he's too thin. The newer version just looks better. Will all learn whatsoever reason Bungie decided to give for why he looks the way he does now later.

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If it served no purpose other than looks, than I believe Frankie would have answered when Barbaric Rage inquired about it. I believe it has a functional purpose. It looks to me like the perfect slot for a JACKAL SHIELD GENERATOR. *crowd gasps*

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does know one notice that those r diffrent shoes 2

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Posted by: DieForDixie2
If it served no purpose other than looks, than I believe Frankie would have answered when Barbaric Rage inquired about it. I believe it has a functional purpose. It looks to me like the perfect slot for a JACKAL SHIELD GENERATOR. *crowd gasps*


Thank you! Someone again on my side of the story... Everyone thinks, its only cause of the graphics... blah blah blah, if it was they would have said so! But since it isnt, they wont tell why cause they dont want to ruin any suprises for the game :)

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Posted by: Silent0n3
does know one notice that those r diffrent shoes 2


Actually, the shoes look the same to me, just covered in mud...

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the ankle is different as well. I believe Dr Halsey took kelly with her to warn Earth of the impending covenant invasion, to have a spartan to fight for earth in the mean time. The spartans are not clones. the books are written from 3rd person omniscient. meaning that they would have said that they are clones. When the BR55 and the M6C were introduced in Halo: First Strike, there were also new upgrades to the Mjolnir VI armor, which isn't going to be a whole new suit. Halo CE didn't start off testing new armor. in fact you've had that armor since not long after the war began. it's simply testing you out for any kinks. When Halo 2 was left off, it was not a good time for the Chief to be playing dress up. Earth was about to be overrun, and he's in a Forerunner ship.

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Posted by: Spider707
the ankle is different as well. I believe Dr Halsey took kelly with her to warn Earth of the impending covenant invasion, to have a spartan to fight for earth in the mean time. The spartans are not clones. the books are written from 3rd person omniscient. meaning that they would have said that they are clones. When the BR55 and the M6C were introduced in Halo: First Strike, there were also new upgrades to the Mjolnir VI armor, which isn't going to be a whole new suit. Halo CE didn't start off testing new armor. in fact you've had that armor since not long after the war began. it's simply testing you out for any kinks. When Halo 2 was left off, it was not a good time for the Chief to be playing dress up. Earth was about to be overrun, and he's in a Forerunner ship.


Yeah, I definately agree... although I never said that they were clones, I KNOW they arent, I read all the books... and yeah, thats what I meant by a "tutorial" kinda thing, where your testing out your armor... I think maybe it will show MC get to earth via cut scene, and then maybe end up at some military ficility and thats where he gets his new upgrades...

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  • 05.13.2006 12:19 AM PDT
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no thats the same armor.. those are just his dishwashing gloves

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Now everybody saying that the armor is different because of the better graphics, did you read Bungies weekly update?

llDwells55Xll asked:
What's the polygon count on the characters and environments in comparison to Halo 2?
And Frankie answered:
Not as high as it looks. A lot of detail is achieved using a combination of lighting, textures, normals and bump-maps. We're saving our polygon budget for other things…

So at least they haven't made the armor look "better" by increasing the polygon count. But I think they just changed the armor a bit, without making it a new model.

[Edited on 5/13/2006]

  • 05.13.2006 8:55 AM PDT

Posted by: coopeRRacer
Now everybody saying that the armor is different because of the better graphics, did you read Bungies weekly update?

llDwells55Xll asked:
What's the polygon count on the characters and environments in comparison to Halo 2?
And Frankie answered:
Not as high as it looks. A lot of detail is achieved using a combination of lighting, textures, normals and bump-maps. We're saving our polygon budget for other things…

So at least they haven't made the armor look "better" by increasing the polygon count. But I think they just changed the armor a bit, without making it a new model.

Its atotally different model. It looks lightyears ahead of Halo 2's model. Frankie simply said that it doesnt look as high as you would think. It still could be pretty high

  • 05.13.2006 9:11 AM PDT