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Subject: Proof That Earth's Been Taken By The Elite Force; Not The Brutes.
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well obviously we are allied with the elites since the Arbiter and Johnson and Maranda joined forces to kill tartarus and the Arbiter does have controll over all the elites excluding heretics

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Um...we currently have radios now...its five hundred years in the future where we will defineitely still have radios...the covenant technology is way better than ours...I'm assuming the elites on earth had radios...that communicated with their home city whatever it is...so I think that the elites have plenty of time to fight back against the brutes, it wasn't like they didn't know what was going on just because they were fighting somewhere else. This isn't like during the revolutionary war where we beat the british but people still fought for like a month afterwards...

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The elite force was not entirely defeated at Delta Halo or High Charity. The White Elite Commander, whatever his name may be, said he was going to lead a force to take back several of the capital ships. Also the Convenant were probably guided to earth by what they found on Reach or Halo. The Covenant has always been hopping from planet to planet because of clues left by forerunner structures.

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Well, i kinda thought that the grave mind was good, then cortana said it used them...why did the gravemind let the mc and the arbiter go then? i can probably predict how this story will end, since the flood have the covenant ships in high charity, they can now come to earth...after all, you saw in the game that they were flying those pelicans and that one big amber clad i think what they called it... its going to end out if you can say it ''judgement day'' or the ''end of days''....... it just makes me want to hit truth if he was to be real being real ignorant and all not listening to what the rings would really do, he should die, not everybody... i dont think the covenant, grunts, jackles, hunters, or brutes (if those dumb oversized gorrillas can even listen)..its like they are being brainwashed to think that the rings are sacred shrines when they are tools of the universes destruction..................sad isnt it.........=' (

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Posted by: ultracheif
its a shame the series has to end. im very excited its coming but i am very sad the story will be over. halo is the only trilogy i actually cared about the story line.




Actually if you read the FAQ it says that halo 3 will be the end of this particular story arc, they never said they'd never come back to the halo universe years from now. as much as i love halo id love to see somthing new from bungie.

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Well, i kinda thought that the grave mind was good, then cortana said it used them...why did the gravemind let the mc and the arbiter go then? i can probably predict how this story will end, since the flood have the covenant ships in high charity, they can now come to earth...after all, you saw in the game that they were flying those pelicans and that one big amber clad i think what they called it... its going to end out if you can say it ''judgement day'' or the ''end of days''....... it just makes me want to hit truth if he was to be real being real ignorant and all not listening to what the rings would really do, he should die, not everybody... i dont think the covenant, grunts, jackles, hunters, or brutes (if those dumb oversized gorrillas can even listen)..its like they are being brainwashed to think that the rings are sacred shrines when they are tools of the universes destruction..................sad isnt it.........=' (




Truth knew damn well what the rings did but kept it a secret for his own agenda. Why? we dont know yet.

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Regrets forces were still fighting when the forerunner ship entered earths orbit, however it was no where near the size of the fleet that is shown in the announcment trailer. I also in my own opion reject claims of any form of allience between any members of the Covenant and Humans. from what we know a agreement that was proposed by SRG Johnson to the Albitor to work together in order to survive to place, but it even so, its not in Johnsons place to organise such an allience. Everyting will make sense in 2007.

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it will also be interesting to see what happens in the book, it might clear up a ton of speculation...

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mm yeh for sure.

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When Regret saw that Earth was protected he called for hep because his fleet wasn't big enough, what most of you people are forgetting is that he received help immediately got help. "Sir, additional contacts! Boarding crafts and lots of 'm!" Now as you know we fought no Brutes at Cairo station, these forces were commanded by Elites. They took down the Malta and Athens and made an attempt to take down Cairo to make the way clear for Regret to assault New Mombasa.

Well MC blew up the big ship with that Covie bomb and Regret warped out so the humans could probably over come the current forces but now that the humans are located more ships were send to take them out. These were still lead by Elites, Elites who I believe were having a far too rough time to read the Daily High Charity Evening Addition and find out that the Council members have been murdered and learn off the civil war.

Now at the time that Truth's Forerunner ship jumped in there was still a fierce battle going, I don't think Truth would be foolish enough to tell the Elites about the rebellion. About the size of Truths fleet, around High Charity the Elites and Brute ship were wiping each other out, let's say that about half the ships warped out with Truth leaving the Elites to deal with the Flood Infestation.

I would say that a combined force off Elites and Brutes took over Earth.

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Doesn't anyone else notice that they only land in Africa? Whats wrong with the rest of the world eh? Not good enough for the Covies? If you think Logically, the Prophets were trying to start there "great journey" and for some reason, one of them traveled to Earth and landed in a specific region and was surprised to find out "Hey This Area That I was drawn to for *Unknown* reason is full of humans!"

So Logically the Covies KNEW there was something important in that destert and the resason he didnt have a large fleet, was because he didnt expect it to be the human homeworld. And somehow they got the Delta Halo cordinates from Earth, unless they made a blind jump.

So now, in larger numbers to finish off the humans in halo 3, the last prophet that still believes in the great journey is here on earth in the same place to finsih the job.

My 2 cents



But WHY Africa? Was it the part of earth that was facing them upon ariving, and they happened to find an artifact? Or did they know where it was?

They know where it was, like on REACH how they knew exactly where The crystal was..They had things to detect Forerunner metal.

And everything is in Africa, because that's where Humans are said to start evolving..Bungie isn't doing anything wrong by saying that People didn't evolve on Earth because we were placed here by some higher power (other Forerunner), and we did re-evolve, but they're not taking the religious side or the scientific side in their story..

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It might be the original 15 or so Covie ships that stumbled on the humans and any additional ships that came from High Charity. These Elites might not know about the civil war back at High Carity and Delta Halo, so they're probably still working with Truth.

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Posted by: Katie Lea
Well, i kinda thought that the grave mind was good, then cortana said it used them...why did the gravemind let the mc and the arbiter go then? i can probably predict how this story will end, since the flood have the covenant ships in high charity, they can now come to earth...after all, you saw in the game that they were flying those pelicans and that one big amber clad i think what they called it... its going to end out if you can say it ''judgement day'' or the ''end of days''....... it just makes me want to hit truth if he was to be real being real ignorant and all not listening to what the rings would really do, he should die, not everybody... i dont think the covenant, grunts, jackles, hunters, or brutes (if those dumb oversized gorrillas can even listen)..its like they are being brainwashed to think that the rings are sacred shrines when they are tools of the universes destruction..................sad isnt it.........=' (

I dont think that the Flood were flying the Amber Clad cause it was at Earth at the end of Halo 2..and I'm guessing that the Flood hid on the dropship and jumped the guys in it when they were flying lol. Then the ycrashed and the flood splilled out and the bodies are somewhere...we don't know though


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Posted by: ultracheif
its a shame the series has to end. im very excited its coming but i am very sad the story will be over. halo is the only trilogy i actually cared about the story line.


Bungie said its the end of THIS story arc. My bet's that other Halo-related games will be coming out....Maybe showing what finally happens to the other Spartans but thats another story.

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Well, i kinda thought that the grave mind was good, then cortana said it used them...why did the gravemind let the mc and the arbiter go then? i can probably predict how this story will end, since the flood have the covenant ships in high charity, they can now come to earth...after all, you saw in the game that they were flying those pelicans and that one big amber clad i think what they called it... its going to end out if you can say it ''judgement day'' or the ''end of days''....... it just makes me want to hit truth if he was to be real being real ignorant and all not listening to what the rings would really do, he should die, not everybody... i dont think the covenant, grunts, jackles, hunters, or brutes (if those dumb oversized gorrillas can even listen)..its like they are being brainwashed to think that the rings are sacred shrines when they are tools of the universes destruction..................sad isnt it.........=' (

I dont think that the Flood were flying the Amber Clad cause it was at Earth at the end of Halo 2..and I'm guessing that the Flood hid on the dropship and jumped the guys in it when they were flying lol. Then the ycrashed and the flood splilled out and the bodies are somewhere...we don't know though


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The Flood did gain control of Amber Clad. You can even see Brain forms in the cockpits of the pelicans that land in the last level with MC.

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you have all wrong whit the forerunner ship Master cheif had the shipp in the end when the flood take over the grave mind

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Posted by: Katie Lea
Well, i kinda thought that the grave mind was good, then cortana said it used them...why did the gravemind let the mc and the arbiter go then? i can probably predict how this story will end, since the flood have the covenant ships in high charity, they can now come to earth...after all, you saw in the game that they were flying those pelicans and that one big amber clad i think what they called it... its going to end out if you can say it ''judgement day'' or the ''end of days''....... it just makes me want to hit truth if he was to be real being real ignorant and all not listening to what the rings would really do, he should die, not everybody... i dont think the covenant, grunts, jackles, hunters, or brutes (if those dumb oversized gorrillas can even listen)..its like they are being brainwashed to think that the rings are sacred shrines when they are tools of the universes destruction..................sad isnt it.........=' (

I dont think that the Flood were flying the Amber Clad cause it was at Earth at the end of Halo 2..and I'm guessing that the Flood hid on the dropship and jumped the guys in it when they were flying lol. Then the ycrashed and the flood splilled out and the bodies are somewhere...we don't know though


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The Flood did gain control of Amber Clad. You can even see Brain forms in the cockpits of the pelicans that land in the last level with MC.

In Amber Clad is the ship MC leavs High Charity in...The Flood took over High Charity, not in Amber Clad.

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no, in amber clad is the ship the chief gets to halo in. in amber clad isnt the forerunner ship.

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Posted by: sb85
two of the prophets are dead. i think truth is the last one remaining, and he was on the forerunner ship with tartarus on his way to earth. the trailer says nothing of what happened after they reached earth, but sometime (1/3rd) into the game. so yeah, it could still be the brutes and jackals n grunts taking over...the elites however might not have recieved confirmation from the arbiter that the sides have changed....


no tarturus is dead, he went to start halo and the prophet of truth went to earth

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i think everybody forgot about the ship that Truth is in is also a remote control for the rings. im pretty sure Guilty Spark said this at the end of the game, but i cant remember... ive havent played halo for a while.

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and if this is true, then it would add a whole new aspect for halo 3

  • 05.13.2006 2:51 PM PDT
Subject: Proof That Earth's Been Taken By The Elite Force; Not The Brutes.

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  • 05.13.2006 3:36 PM PDT
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I speculated 3 things:

1. The Arc Guikty Spark mentioned was the Forunner ship

2. the Arc is a Forunner facility on Earth

3. The Arc IS Earth.

Judging by the trailer, I'd say it's number 2.

I really feel like I need to play Halo1 and 2 again. Some of the issues raised in this thread just make it more confusing.

The Hierachs already intended to go Earth, but Regret made a mistake by going there ahead of plan. I recon that after the civil war broke, and the Flood attacked High Charity, all that was left of the covenant fleet went to attack Earth. Or did they? It's a bit odd going from civil war, to warp jumping, to attacking earth.

So Either they finished the civil war, then attacked earth, or the ones attacking Earth were sent prior to the start of the civil war. Sadly, there's not much indication of either in Halo 2: but I recon the fleet that attacked Earth was sent before the civil war, and the ones that remained at High Charity were either destroyed in the war, or by the flood. But hang on, in Halo 2 doesn't Cortana say that Regret is going to lead the Covenant fleet to Earth? (and hence, after the war has already broke) Yet we also clearly see that the ship arrives when the attack on earth has already started? It just doesn't add up. It feels like sloppy writing to me, but we'll have to wait see Halo 3.

What worries me the most about where this story is going is, will you still fight the Elites in Halo 3? And if you don't that also mean you wont fight the Grunts? And the Hunters? If I didn't fight against them, I'd probably snap the disk in two, and send back to Bungie.

I now believe that the Forerunners were not humans, but we evolved from creatures ( i.e. primates) that emerged from the Arc. If that's the case, are there some forerunners still perserved in the Arc? Will they turn out to be evil? Will they be uglier than the Elites? Shorter than the Grunts? Dumber than the Brutes? Will they try to activate the Arc again once the flood show up? Is any body reading to me?

At the end of the day, it's all spaculation.

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I speculated 3 things:

1. The Arc Guikty Spark mentioned was the Forunner ship

2. the Arc is a Forunner facility on Earth

3. The Arc IS Earth.

Judging by the trailer, I'd say it's number 2.

I really feel like I need to play Halo1 and 2 again. Some of the issues raised in this thread just make it more confusing.

The Hierachs already intended to go Earth, but Regret made a mistake by going there ahead of plan. I recon that after the civil war broke, and the Flood attacked High Charity, all that was left of the covenant fleet went to attack Earth. Or did they? It's a bit odd going from civil war, to warp jumping, to attacking earth.

So Either they finished the civil war, then attacked earth, or the ones attacking Earth were sent prior to the start of the civil war. Sadly, there's not much indication of either in Halo 2: but I recon the fleet that attacked Earth was sent before the civil war, and the ones that remained at High Charity were either destroyed in the war, or by the flood. But hang on, in Halo 2 doesn't Cortana say that Regret is going to lead the Covenant fleet to Earth? (and hence, after the war has already broke) Yet we also clearly see that the ship arrives when the attack on earth has already started? It just doesn't add up. It feels like sloppy writing to me, but we'll have to wait see Halo 3.

What worries me the most about where this story is going is, will you still fight the Elites in Halo 3? And if you don't that also mean you wont fight the Grunts? And the Hunters? If I didn't fight against them, I'd probably snap the disk in two, and send back to Bungie.

I now believe that the Forerunners were not humans, but we evolved from creatures ( i.e. primates) that emerged from the Arc. If that's the case, are there some forerunners still perserved in the Arc? Will they turn out to be evil? Will they be uglier than the Elites? Shorter than the Grunts? Dumber than the Brutes? Will they try to activate the Arc again once the flood show up? Is any body reading to me?

At the end of the day, it's all spaculation.

As for the last part, Forerunners = Humans...

Will they look more primitive as we looked (when they left us on Earth), or will we look more advanced than we do now (since we would be re-evolving to become them)


And for the Arks, I have a pretty good idea on what may happen..

Earth = Noah's Ark
Structure from trailer = Control room for the Ark..Ark of the Covenant, and this sets of the Halos.

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