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well i was in another topic and well it would have been off topic if i started talking about it there so i'll talk about it here

cortanna says:

i have defined demons and gods

-maybe the demon she was talking about was the MC or gravemind and the gods are the forrunner and prophets.

i am your shield i am your sword

- well ussally when corttana is away from the MC something bad happens (libary) and she shields him from crap like that when they are together. She also helps him in battle by calling in reenforcements so thats probally how she is his "sword".

i know you: your past , your future

-hell if i know...

this is the way the world shall end

-??? what we lose?

plz post what you think she was talking about

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  • 05.12.2006 8:01 PM PDT
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about the world ending... this could be the end of the halo series.

  • 05.12.2006 8:02 PM PDT
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"Whatever exists, whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent. These anonymous creatures may seem little or nothing in the world. Yet the smallest crumb can devour us. Any smallest thing beneath yon rock out of men's knowing. Only nature can enslave man and only when the existence of each last entity is routed out and made to stand naked before him will he be properly suzerain of the earth."

I think the first line and third lines have a deeper meaning. Maybe not the third, but you never know.

And the last line is taken from a piece of literature. I've written my thoughts before, but I don't want to go find it. In short, I don't think Cortana means that literally.

  • 05.12.2006 8:04 PM PDT
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Carrots.

Yes, your all right.
Anyways, people have argued over the words "Source" and "Sword", well just to say, Marty (O'donnel) has said its sword, not source.
Carry on with the good work.

  • 05.12.2006 8:30 PM PDT
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read the last line of my sig

  • 05.12.2006 8:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: FireBoX
about the world ending... this could be the end of the halo series.


It is.

  • 05.12.2006 8:45 PM PDT
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I have seen many of these threads to do with her words, you should check if there is another topic the same before making your own

  • 05.12.2006 8:48 PM PDT
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It is Defied not defined. Also, 2,067

  • 05.12.2006 8:51 PM PDT
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Actually, all the lines are taken from pieces of literature. The last line is from a T.S. Elliot Poem called The Hollow Men.
"This is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
Not with a bang but with a wimper."


'Gods and Demons', as well as 'defied' can be seen in Ishtar and Izdubar

""Ye gods or demons, I within your glade Of horrors, have unwilling come to seek ... And Anu's fury thus I have defied; This all my troubles caused, ..."



The sword/shield part is taken from many parts of the Bible.
"Happy are you, O Israel!
Who is like you, a people saved by the LORD,
the shield of your help,
and the sword of your triumph! De 33:29"

Do not be afraid Abram. I am your shield, your very great reward”
(Genesis 15:1b).


There are about a million other references to god being a shield and sword. I could post them all but blah.

I tried to do research for the past/future quote, but the internet is suddenly cludded with too much halo 3 speculation to find anything quickly, but for curiosities sake i'll look around more in depth.


So what do all these mean?

The Hollow Men is a poem about facing death and solitude, and watching the halo 3 trailer certainly makes you feel that MC is alone and his character can relate to the poem.
http://www.cs.umbc.edu/~evans/hollow.html
read it. its hard to avoid similarities between the poem and trailer.
"This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man's hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star."

the text of gods/demons can be found here
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/iai/iai42.htm

Im really interested in seeing what the people who know everything about the books can find about the relations between the poems mentioned and the halo universe. i feel that cortanas speech is being widely overlooked. if you guys remember the days before halo 2 came out, there was soo much literary reference to the bible and other literature, and it surprises me that people arent trying to find meaning to cortanas words when they are so blatenly trying to provoke thought.

Get to crackin, guys. tell the world what this means. THERE HAS TO BE A MUCH DEEPER MEANING TO CORTANAS WORDS.

(edit)
another thing i just noticed. in the last line of the Cortana letters, cortana says something along the lines of (remember, the letters were released 7 years ago) that "your friend the poet got it wrong, THIS is the way the world ends" and in halo 3 info section, the last line is
"The Master Chief's AI companion Cortana is still trapped in the clutches of the Gravemind - a horrifying Flood intelligence, and a civil war is raging in the heart of the Covenant. This is how the world ends..."


bahHUMBUG.

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Posted by: souleater008_2
i am your shield i am your sword.

She says "I am your shield,I am your source."

  • 05.13.2006 3:39 AM PDT
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If we're not forgeting Bungie has named both the AIs in their games after mythical weapons

That may be why she refers to a sword.

As for i have defied demons and gods, She could be refering to the chief (demon) and the gravemind (... i guess god)

  • 05.13.2006 3:57 AM PDT
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Who says she is talking to MC after all she could be working with gravemind now. And the shield and sword line line could be as simple as she is willing to fight for him.

  • 05.13.2006 4:07 AM PDT
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Cortana does not say "Source". Look it up in the FAQ.

"I have defied gods and demons."

This line could possibly refer to Cortana's open difiance of the Covenant and the Forerunners (gods) and on certain ocassions, the Master Chief (the Covies refer to him as "The Demon").

"I am your shield, I am your SWORD."

This is pretty simple. Cortana has saved lives (acting as a shield) and taken lives (acting as a sword). She refers to her use(s): to shield humanity from destruction, acting as a sword to defeat the Covenant.

"I know you, your past, your future."

She could be speaking of any number of things. I personally feel that Cortana is talking directly to/about John-117. She must have known about the SPARTAN-II program from since it's beginning (or near to that) and she must have cracked the UNSC databases (or had free access to it) and learned about the SPARTANs, and John-117. That's "I know you, your past". As for "future", Cortana might be talking about her plans for John-117 (prophetic megalomania... remniscent of Durandal?).

"This is the way the world ends."

Once again, prophetic, megalomaniacal uterings from a rampant AI.

-- Griffinhart

PS. Evidence of the real Cortana and her ramapncy from long ago? http://marathon.bungie.org/story/cortanaJune29.html

  • 05.13.2006 4:07 AM PDT
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"I have defied gods and demons."


"I am your shield, I am your SWORD."


"I know you, your past, your future."


"This is the way the world ends."


see the QandA on the main site , these words above are from a bungie guy

  • 05.13.2006 4:08 AM PDT
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we should truely lose, it seems like the losing is a part of the halo cinematic series, because there's nothing lefft from halo. everything is just so dramatic, that he should die and the world should end. in the trailer he seems abused

  • 05.13.2006 4:19 AM PDT
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in the trailer he seems abused
Well... yeah. I mean, the dude's gone from Hell and back, and then some. Heck, I was expecting even more damage to his armor (a la the Mark V in the opening cutscenes of Halo 2).

I doubt Humanity will lose, assuming that Marathon and Halo exist in the same universe. If they don't... well, it's still unlikely that Humanity will be ended. Bungie is composed of (mostly) humans (I think) and it's not likely that a human would ever create a story in which the author race (Humanity) would be destroyed. Such self-destructive tendencies aren't exhibited a lot in the mainstream. Of course, I'm just banking on a major generalization, and to quote my English teacher, "Every time you make a generalization, you're going to be wrong."

-- Griffinhart

PS. Besides, the ending'd suck if Humanity < Flood.

  • 05.13.2006 4:26 AM PDT