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Subject: An I.A that hasn't gone mad?

So I'm rereadinf the fall of Reach (the 2010 version) and I noticed something (Sorry if this was already brought up before.) But Deja is over 7 years old and nothing has gone wrong with her. The first time she is mentioned in the book is on, Sept.23rd,2517 when the S-II program is first started (Chapter 3.) But then go ahead afew chapters to chapter Seven where the dead spartans are laid to rest. The date is March 30th,2525 and this is where I noticed that she's over 8 years old and still fine when Mendez ask John. "No." the chief replied. "Dejawill be running your squad through the dropship pilot simulator as soon as they are up to it." So how is it that Deja is over seven and still fine? I dunno if she is a smart or dumb A.I. But even if she was a dumb A.I would she live to be past seven years old?

  • 01.09.2012 10:07 PM PDT

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"Don't eat doughnuts on thin ice."

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Nahh, she is kind of a retarded AI, she'll far outlive any of us as long as she doesn't forget what "self destruct" means.

  • 01.09.2012 10:15 PM PDT


Posted by: Grimick
Nahh, she is kind of a retarded AI, she'll far outlive any of us as long as she doesn't forget what "self destruct" means.
I dunno where I read it but somewhere I read that all A.I's go mad after seven years. Only one I know that is a retarded A.I is the one Halsey had with her on Onxy...Can't remeber its name.

  • 01.09.2012 10:22 PM PDT


Posted by: Chester Duncan

Posted by: Grimick
Nahh, she is kind of a retarded AI, she'll far outlive any of us as long as she doesn't forget what "self destruct" means.
I dunno where I read it but somewhere I read that all A.I's go mad after seven years. Only one I know that is a retarded A.I is the one Halsey had with her on Onxy...Can't remeber its name.


A: It's not a 'retarded AI' damnit. Officially they could be called 'dumb AI' but realistically they are far, far more brilliant in their specific field then any human. It simply means they are specialized and really aren't the best in other areas. Like superintendant. He's the best for managing a city, but trying to manage a UNSC cruiser, or toss out formulas for the perfect cake isn't in his leage.

B: Smart AI's don't 100% go crazy after hitting 7 years old. It's just after 7 years, they CAN... note the CAN start going into rampancy. So the UNSC in general deletes/terminates them at 7 years old to avoid this. The AI in the rubble was a Smart AI, over 7, and still operated mostly fine.

  • 01.09.2012 10:44 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Chester Duncan

Posted by: Grimick
Nahh, she is kind of a retarded AI, she'll far outlive any of us as long as she doesn't forget what "self destruct" means.
I dunno where I read it but somewhere I read that all A.I's go mad after seven years. Only one I know that is a retarded A.I is the one Halsey had with her on Onxy...Can't remeber its name.


A: It's not a 'retarded AI' damnit. Officially they could be called 'dumb AI' but realistically they are far, far more brilliant in their specific field then any human. It simply means they are specialized and really aren't the best in other areas. Like superintendant. He's the best for managing a city, but trying to manage a UNSC cruiser, or toss out formulas for the perfect cake isn't in his leage.

B: Smart AI's don't 100% go crazy after hitting 7 years old. It's just after 7 years, they CAN... note the CAN start going into rampancy. So the UNSC in general deletes/terminates them at 7 years old to avoid this. The AI in the rubble was a Smart AI, over 7, and still operated mostly fine.
I get both your points.

1.I know all about how a dumb AI is only good at one thing but the point I was getting at was when compared to other AI's like Cortana or Serena they are pretty much retarded.

2.The AI running the Rubble was waaaaaay too busy to do much thinking. She overlooked every little thing on the Rubble. But the second she had time when she was trying to crash the Rubble into the planet, she pretty much became rampant.

3.Having to do with 2. Deja was made JUST for the spartan program. So its not like when the spartans were busy with Mendez, she took control of the ship yards of Reach. The less an AI has to do the more likely they will go rampant. And as I said Deja was created for the Spartan program only.

[Edited on 01.09.2012 10:54 PM PST]

  • 01.09.2012 10:52 PM PDT

Wasn't Deja Halsey's 'assistant' as well?

Edit: From what I just read, she was a 'dumb AI', and not a Smart one. So really her lifespawn is indefinite.

[Edited on 01.09.2012 10:59 PM PST]

  • 01.09.2012 10:55 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Wasn't Deja Halsey's 'assistant' as well?

Edit: From what I just read, she was a 'dumb AI', and not a Smart one. So really her lifespawn is indefinite.
Oh my god...I need out of the flood...I thought for sure this would turn into a flame war. Anways thanks. I wasn't sure if she was a smart or dumb AI.

  • 01.09.2012 11:05 PM PDT

I suspect llamas are secretly wizards. I <3 poptarts n' milk. I like me. Grimick is defined as: a logical parodox, the act of funnaling a potato down your throat, and a deliciously flavored muffin (with pecons and blueberries). Norway is the Swedish word for 'moron'. My sister has cancer, so i get to use handicap parking and cut small children in line at Disneyland.

"Don't eat doughnuts on thin ice."

"The pancake, my friend, has officially been flipped."


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
A: It's not a 'retarded AI' damnit. Officially they could be called 'dumb AI' but realistically they are far, far more brilliant in their specific field then any human.
lol dont worry I know, Im just being smart. :,) oh i crack myself up

[Edited on 01.09.2012 11:09 PM PST]

  • 01.09.2012 11:08 PM PDT

Deja is a Dumb AI, unlike Cortana, who is a Smart AI. Rampancy occurs when a smart AI thinks themselves to death. This happens because Smart AI's are designed to learn large amounts of new information, and after roughly 7 years of this, their constructs become unstable.

Deja doesn't have this problem because she is not designed to learn. Maybe basic things, like someone's name or typical behavior of someone, and other trivial things, but she isn't meant to evolve mentally as Smart AI's are. Smart AI's have to think on the fly and improvise, Deja cannot do this. Her purpose was for upkeep and instruction.

So yes, her lifespan would be indeterminate.

  • 01.09.2012 11:12 PM PDT

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The description is that smart AI can literally think themselves into oblivion. The same problem wouldn't be faced by a "Dumb" AI, which is smart in what it was originally programmed for. A smart AI is "semi-sentient" and evolves and gets smarter. Rampancy is where it becomes too smart and simply can't handle itself anymore.

Edit: A dumb AI stays the same, it's like any program. But a Smart AI is like an actual mind.

[Edited on 01.10.2012 6:25 AM PST]

  • 01.10.2012 6:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Halsey Clearly says in the original Fall of reach that the UNSC deletes AI's after 7 years For fear of rampancy. They do not magically go insane the second they turn 7, it is a safety precaution.

If everybody were to be killed once they turned 30 people would assume that is how long they live. But don't kill someone once they turn 30 and they live far longer it would be seen as an abnormality despite the fact they were abnormal for being killed at 30.


In point, AIs could probably last longer than 7 years but we wouldn't know since we kill them then.

  • 01.10.2012 6:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: grey101
Halsey Clearly says in the original Fall of reach that the UNSC deletes AI's after 7 years For fear of rampancy. They do not magically go insane the second they turn 7, it is a safety precaution.

If everybody were to be killed once they turned 30 people would assume that is how long they live. But don't kill someone once they turn 30 and they live far longer it would be seen as an abnormality despite the fact they were abnormal for being killed at 30.


In point, AIs could probably last longer than 7 years but we wouldn't know since we kill them then.


That's only for "smart AIs", correct?

I'm sure the UNSC don't go around deleting "dumb AIs" every 7 years.

  • 01.10.2012 6:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Yes. Dumb AIs don't have a timespan because they are limited. We have Dumber AIs Today.

  • 01.10.2012 7:31 AM PDT