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Subject: A Comparative List of Why Halo: Reach is NOT Halo

To begin, I don't care what the reasoning or back stories (or whatever the case may be) are to all the changes made from Halo 1/2/3 to Halo: Reach, all this post is showing is how Halo: Reach really has nothing to do with what Halo has been since its beginning....

Halo 1/2/3 vs. Halo: Reach
Permanent reticle (no bloom) ---(vs.)--- Expanding reticle (bloom)
No armor abilities (had to earn perks by picking them up) ---(vs.)--- 5 armor abilities (perks are given to you)
Shields only ---(vs.)--- Shields and health
Mostly skill based ranking system ---(vs.)--- Mostly game time based ranking system
No fall damage ---(vs.)--- Fall damage (that also stuns you)
3 bullet burst BR (Halo 2 & 3) ---(vs.)--- Single shot DMR
Sniper head shots rare ---(vs.)--- Sniper head shots common (almost expected)
Vehicles very hard to flip when driving ---(vs.)--- Vehicles very easy to flip when driving
Can't flip vehicles by shooting them with basic weapons ---(vs.)--- Can flip vehicles with one DMR shot

These are just the facts people. I didn't get into opinion at all because not only would that turn this thread into meaningless flaming and stupidity, which is probably how this will end up anyway, but also because if you've played all or most of the Halos, you should already understand the impact of these changes and know how Halo: Reach is almost a completely different game than the Halo that became one of the biggest game franchises in history (okay, MAYBE that's an opinion, but oh well, it's true).

Let's try this... Tell me something that made gameplay better in Halo: Reach than any of the other Halos.

... Welp, hopefully Halo 4 will get back to Halo's roots, but I doubt it.

P.S. I know Halo 1 is actually Halo CE, so don't be a smart ass douche and flame me for something that doesn't matter and is unrelated to the post... No one cares. If you disagree with something, say it. Don't post something that adds nothing to the conversation, but that's like asking for a cup of water in Hell, so... Let the flaming begin!

  • 01.09.2012 10:13 PM PDT

Most people on here are already well aware of this.

  • 01.09.2012 10:14 PM PDT

I love Reach multiplayer. It's my favourite game since Halo 2.

  • 01.09.2012 10:19 PM PDT

Oh good, well I'm just a concerned Halo player and I'll be happy to make sure and keep fresh in people's mind these atrocities that Halo: Reach introduced and MAYBE help get the attention of future Halo developers to do something about it.

  • 01.09.2012 10:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: boomdeyadah
Most people on here are already well aware of this.


This. Any logical person could deduct this by just playing the game.

  • 01.09.2012 10:29 PM PDT

You guys are actually the minority. If Reach was so terrible, there wouldn't be a 100k people playing it every night. I realize that you come here to vent, but forum dwellers don't represent the Halo community. Just because you are the most vocal doesn't mean you are right. Go have conversations with people playing the game, you won't find many who dislike it.

  • 01.09.2012 10:32 PM PDT

This poster is obviously a Halo 3 Fanboy. Halo 1 had fall damage and Shields and health system. Halo 2 had rare snipes my ass look up Halo 2 noobified and your will see how "hard" sniping was. Do better research if you are gonna bash something. As for the vehicles flipping I know several ways to easily flip a vehicle in each game.

I am not defending Reach don't get me wrong, but I like it when someone bashes something for right reason other than being a fanboy.


[Edited on 01.09.2012 10:37 PM PST]

  • 01.09.2012 10:34 PM PDT

Awesome, I'm glad people are agreeing, I thought I was gonna get flamed big time.

  • 01.09.2012 10:34 PM PDT

Frank O'Connor said he doesn't think the Halo series needs to be taken in a radical new direction... it just needs to go "deeper"

"Ultimately the core game mechanic and strength of the universe doesn't need to be changed, it just needs to be taken deeper. We want to make Halo games - we don't want to make Call of Duty or Ridge Racer. We want to make Halo games because we understand what's special about Halo."

Only a blind fanboy wouldn't agree.

That's why the only playlist playable is aniversary classic.

Default is an action scak gametype in this game.

  • 01.09.2012 10:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Team Classic
Only a blind fanboy wouldn't agree.

That's why the only playlist playable is aniversary classic.

Default is an action scak gametype in this game.


So I'm a blind fanboy if I find a game enjoyable? Why are you posting on the Reach forums then?

  • 01.09.2012 10:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Azzwhoopen
You guys are actually the minority. If Reach was so terrible, there wouldn't be a 100k people playing it every night. I realize that you come here to vent, but forum dwellers don't represent the Halo community. Just because you are the most vocal doesn't mean you are right. Go have conversations with people playing the game, you won't find many who dislike it.


What are you going on about? The OP did not argue that Reach was bad. However, most, his whole list is fact. So he is right, we are right. Oh, and I doubt there are 100k players every night.

[Edited on 01.09.2012 10:55 PM PST]

  • 01.09.2012 10:52 PM PDT


Posted by: Lightning Yuna

Posted by: Azzwhoopen
You guys are actually the minority. If Reach was so terrible, there wouldn't be a 100k people playing it every night. I realize that you come here to vent, but forum dwellers don't represent the Halo community. Just because you are the most vocal doesn't mean you are right. Go have conversations with people playing the game, you won't find many who dislike it.


What are you going on about? The OP did not argue that Reach was bad. However, most, his whole list is fact. So he is right, we are right. Oh, and I doubt there are 100k players every night.


Sorry, but there's a reason you guys are the consumer, not the developer.

  • 01.09.2012 10:59 PM PDT


Posted by: Sonow Raevius
This poster is obviously a Halo 3 Fanboy. Halo 1 had fall damage and Shields and health system. Halo 2 had rare snipes my ass look up Halo 2 noobified and your will see how "hard" sniping was. Do better research if you are gonna bash something. As for the vehicles flipping I know several ways to easily flip a vehicle in each game.

I am not defending Reach don't get me wrong, but I like it when someone bashes something for right reason other than being a fanboy.


I've actually played all the games and I understand I didn't get extremely specific with each damn game, I don't really care that much, but I also understand the progression of a game where they change 1 or 2 things, which what you're explaining and what every game does and what Halo did, but Halo: Reach changed them ALL.

  • 01.09.2012 10:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: Azzwhoopen

So I'm a blind fanboy if I find a game enjoyable? Why are you posting on the Reach forums then?


Do you agree with the OP? If so then no, you arent an idiotic fanboy. If you dont, then you are. Because you would be refusing facts, solely because you love the game no matter what. To you Reach would be perfect and has no flaws.

  • 01.09.2012 11:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: Azzwhoopen

Posted by: Lightning Yuna

Posted by: Azzwhoopen
You guys are actually the minority. If Reach was so terrible, there wouldn't be a 100k people playing it every night. I realize that you come here to vent, but forum dwellers don't represent the Halo community. Just because you are the most vocal doesn't mean you are right. Go have conversations with people playing the game, you won't find many who dislike it.


What are you going on about? The OP did not argue that Reach was bad. However, most, his whole list is fact. So he is right, we are right. Oh, and I doubt there are 100k players every night.


Sorry, but there's a reason you guys are the consumer, not the developer.


Sorry, but stay on topic. The reasons why we are consumers and not the developers are totally irrelevant to this thread.

  • 01.09.2012 11:03 PM PDT

If you want to play a franchise that is the same from game to game with no real innovation, I suggest Call of Duty.

  • 01.09.2012 11:04 PM PDT
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Half the people here think classic is Halo 3.

Classic is Halo CE.

Halo CE had fall damage.

Not only does the OP ignore previous games which fall under this catergory, but also the fact the each Halo has been very different from the previous game, and everything after CE can be called not Halo.


Honestly, can you guys actually give a good reason as to why you do not like Reach?

[Edited on 01.09.2012 11:06 PM PST]

  • 01.09.2012 11:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Lightning Yuna

Posted by: Azzwhoopen

Posted by: Lightning Yuna

Posted by: Azzwhoopen
You guys are actually the minority. If Reach was so terrible, there wouldn't be a 100k people playing it every night. I realize that you come here to vent, but forum dwellers don't represent the Halo community. Just because you are the most vocal doesn't mean you are right. Go have conversations with people playing the game, you won't find many who dislike it.


What are you going on about? The OP did not argue that Reach was bad. However, most, his whole list is fact. So he is right, we are right. Oh, and I doubt there are 100k players every night.


Sorry, but there's a reason you guys are the consumer, not the developer.


Sorry, but stay on topic. The reasons why we are consumers and not the developers are totally irrelevant to this thread.


Sorry, but it's very relevant. You people think you know what is best for the franchise, but you have no experience making video games.

  • 01.09.2012 11:05 PM PDT

Posted by: hellstorm5
No armor abilities (had to earn perks by picking them up) ---(vs.)--- 5 armor abilities (perks are given to you)
Halo 3 is the only Halo to have these ''perks.'' So by your logic, Halo 3 is not Halo.

Shields only ---(vs.)--- Shields and health
Halo: CE, the first Halo, as well as Halo 3: ODST, had visible health. Halo 3 had health as well, except it wasn't shown as a bar.

Mostly skill based ranking system ---(vs.)--- Mostly game time based ranking system
Halo: CE didn't have a ranking system. Halo 3 moved from trueskill from a simple 'win a game rank up.' So by your logic, NONE of the games except for Halo: CE are Halo.

No fall damage ---(vs.)--- Fall damage (that also stuns you)
Halo: CE had Fall damage. Halo 3: ODST had fall damage.


3 bullet burst BR (Halo 2 & 3) ---(vs.)--- Single shot DMR
Halo: CE had the pistol. Soo essentially you mean to say neither Halo 2 nor Halo 3 are Halo. Or do you mean to say Halo: CE and Halo 3: ODST aren't Halo?


Sniper head shots rare ---(vs.)--- Sniper head shots common (almost expected)
They've never been very rare. Especially with Halo 3's massive auto-assist.


Vehicles very hard to flip when driving ---(vs.)--- Vehicles very easy to flip when driving
Mongoose or Halo: CE. Take your pick. We can do this all day.
Posted by: Lightning Yuna
his whole list is fact. So he is right
The sky is blue. Therefore it is made of water.

Well, the sky during most days certainly does look blue! Since I posted a fact, my assumption is clearly correct too, right?
Posted by: Lightning Yuna
Oh, and I doubt there are 100k players every night.
It's 100k at a time, maybe. Halo: Reach normally has 300-500k a night.

Also, by the thread maker's logic? Halo 2 isn't Halo either. Nor is Halo 3. In fact, no game except for Halo: CE is Halo since they all had changes made to them of some kind.

Seriously. These threads are ridiculous folks. The thread maker is essentially claiming that any deviation from the previous title means the new title is not the same brand. It is asinine at best. Enough.
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  • 01.09.2012 11:06 PM PDT

Damn, burrito just DESTROYED the original post.

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Posted by: burritosenior
That is the best argument I was too lazy to write about.

Well Done.

[Edited on 01.09.2012 11:09 PM PST]

  • 01.09.2012 11:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Azzwhoopen

Sorry, but it's very relevant. You people think you know what is best for the franchise, but you have no experience making video games.


Oh god, your stupidity is amazing. What is your taught of process? How do you think that what you said has anything to do with the OP?

  • 01.09.2012 11:10 PM PDT


Posted by: Lightning Yuna

Posted by: Azzwhoopen
You guys are actually the minority. If Reach was so terrible, there wouldn't be a 100k people playing it every night. I realize that you come here to vent, but forum dwellers don't represent the Halo community. Just because you are the most vocal doesn't mean you are right. Go have conversations with people playing the game, you won't find many who dislike it.


What are you going on about? The OP did not argue that Reach was bad. However, most, his whole list is fact. So he is right, we are right. Oh, and I doubt there are 100k players every night.


Thank you intelligent poster, you're exactly right. I never said Halo: Reach was bad. You're also right about the 100k players... Definitely not, maybe on certain nights, but it's closer to 50k nightly IF what they tell us is true. I bet they lie to make you think more people are playing it so you feel better about playing it. You're also right about Azzwhoopen saying I'm wrong... About what?

And Azzwhoopen, you've played 5 games of Halo: Reach... Your opinion doesn't weigh very much.

  • 01.09.2012 11:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: hellstorm5

Posted by: Lightning Yuna

Posted by: Azzwhoopen
You guys are actually the minority. If Reach was so terrible, there wouldn't be a 100k people playing it every night. I realize that you come here to vent, but forum dwellers don't represent the Halo community. Just because you are the most vocal doesn't mean you are right. Go have conversations with people playing the game, you won't find many who dislike it.


What are you going on about? The OP did not argue that Reach was bad. However, most, his whole list is fact. So he is right, we are right. Oh, and I doubt there are 100k players every night.


Thank you intelligent poster, you're exactly right. I never said Halo: Reach was bad. You're also right about the 100k players... Definitely not, maybe on certain nights, but it's closer to 50k nightly IF what they tell us is true. I bet they lie to make you think more people are playing it so you feel better about playing it. You're also right about Azzwhoopen saying I'm wrong... About what?

And Azzwhoopen, you've played 5 games of Halo: Reach... Your opinion doesn't weigh very much.

OP you do realize only Halo CE is a Halo game, the rest are not Halo?

At least by your logic.

[Edited on 01.09.2012 11:13 PM PST]

  • 01.09.2012 11:12 PM PDT

You're wrong about Reach not being Halo. Can't believe I had to clarify that for your simple mind.

I've seen it over 100k every night for a week. Maybe you should pay closer attention.

  • 01.09.2012 11:14 PM PDT