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Why is there all the hate on Glasslands....I haven't finished it yet, but everyone is just hating non-stop on the book. What are a few of the concerns with the book

EDIT: So I just finished the book, kinda got pissed like everyone else about Halsey portrayl at the end, but its all very true and it is just another perspective on the events. HATE the endings (as always ;) )

[Edited on 01.14.2012 8:34 AM PST]

  • 01.10.2012 3:36 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

Traviss isn't a good writer for Halo. She doesn't portray the ODSTs or Elites well. She doesn't portray Halsey well and all of a sudden Halsey and Mendez have some major beef for no reason. S-IVs are really thrown in there and is just stupid.

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Lots of new stuff is mentioned with no explanation.

  • 01.10.2012 3:47 PM PDT

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This should help.

  • 01.10.2012 3:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
This should help.


Is it just because of Halsey? Seriously because I don't really understand the problem then because she kidnapped spartans(I understand why she did but still) and then her research was used for something she didn't want so she was pissed at Mendez.

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Posted by: anton1792
This should help.


Is it just because of Halsey? Seriously because I don't really understand the problem then because she kidnapped spartans(I understand why she did but still) and then her research was used for something she didn't want so she was pissed at Mendez.
How old are you?

Otherwise, you need to re-read all the books because what you just said is completely untrue.

Also, it would help if you actually read the review instead of just the title.

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  • 01.10.2012 3:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: Onyx81
Lots of new stuff is mentioned with no explanation.


Have you read any of the earlier books?! It is almost the exact same writing style!

Glasslands was excellent. Just because people had a different personal perspective of the universe doesn't mean it's bad.

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Posted by: Onyx81
Lots of new stuff is mentioned with no explanation.


Have you read any of the earlier books?! It is almost the exact same writing style!

Glasslands was excellent. Just because people had a different personal perspective of the universe doesn't mean it's bad.


Not really. I also like how you think your opinion somehow makes Glasslands excellent.

  • 01.10.2012 4:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
This should help.

Is it just because of Halsey?

Nope.

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Posted by: Onyx81
Lots of new stuff is mentioned with no explanation.


Have you read any of the earlier books?! It is almost the exact same writing style!

Glasslands was excellent. Just because people had a different personal perspective of the universe doesn't mean it's bad.

[SPOILERS]

Let's see...

The book takes place IMMEDIATELY Halo 3 before the memorial on March 3rd.

Why does Rtas want to see Sanghelios to make sure it is safe when they were just there?

Mjolnir MK. VII is just dropped in a single sentence without elaborating on how or where it came from.

Somehow humanity has a good understanding of Forerunner drives right after Halo 3 ends and are implementing them into old ships.

It's somehow OK for Osman to drop classified data in front of a bunch of ODSTs.

Elites are OK with brutes bit have a general hatred for Humanity? WHAT

Also, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING REMOTELY INTERESTING HAPPENS ON ONYX.

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Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: Onyx81
Lots of new stuff is mentioned with no explanation.


Have you read any of the earlier books?! It is almost the exact same writing style!

Glasslands was excellent. Just because people had a different personal perspective of the universe doesn't mean it's bad.

[SPOILERS]

Let's see...

The book takes place IMMEDIATELY Halo 3 before the memorial on March 3rd.

Why does Rtas want to see Sanghelios to make sure it is safe when they were just there?

Mjolnir MK. VII is just dropped in a single sentence without elaborating on how or where it came from.

Somehow humanity has a good understanding of Forerunner drives right after Halo 3 ends and are implementing them into old ships.

It's somehow OK for Osman to drop classified data in front of a bunch of ODSTs.

Elites are OK with brutes bit have a general hatred for Humanity? WHAT

Also, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING REMOTELY INTERESTING HAPPENS ON ONYX.


Let me add several things:

UNSC Infinity
SPARTAN-IVs
Lucy punching at Dr. Halsey at full force are supposed to fatal
UNSC recovering at unrealistic speeds
Schism became useless
ONI being retard as usual
Many things.

  • 01.10.2012 4:07 PM PDT


Posted by: Onyx81

Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: Onyx81
Lots of new stuff is mentioned with no explanation.


Have you read any of the earlier books?! It is almost the exact same writing style!

Glasslands was excellent. Just because people had a different personal perspective of the universe doesn't mean it's bad.

[SPOILERS]

Let's see...

The book takes place IMMEDIATELY Halo 3 before the memorial on March 3rd.

Why does Rtas want to see Sanghelios to make sure it is safe when they were just there?

Mjolnir MK. VII is just dropped in a single sentence without elaborating on how or where it came from.

Somehow humanity has a good understanding of Forerunner drives right after Halo 3 ends and are implementing them into old ships.

It's somehow OK for Osman to drop classified data in front of a bunch of ODSTs.

Elites are OK with brutes bit have a general hatred for Humanity? WHAT

Also, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING REMOTELY INTERESTING HAPPENS ON ONYX.


Onyx is also not explained at all.

Mendez suddenly hates/distrusts Halsey for no reason.

Hood is suddenly stupid and doesn't ask the Spartans what happened to Halsey since they return and she does not.

Parangosky does lots of stupid things.

Mendez lies about the s3 program for no reason.

And so on...

  • 01.10.2012 4:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: Onyx81

Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: Onyx81
Lots of new stuff is mentioned with no explanation.


Have you read any of the earlier books?! It is almost the exact same writing style!

Glasslands was excellent. Just because people had a different personal perspective of the universe doesn't mean it's bad.

[SPOILERS]

Let's see...

The book takes place IMMEDIATELY Halo 3 before the memorial on March 3rd.

Why does Rtas want to see Sanghelios to make sure it is safe when they were just there?

Mjolnir MK. VII is just dropped in a single sentence without elaborating on how or where it came from.

Somehow humanity has a good understanding of Forerunner drives right after Halo 3 ends and are implementing them into old ships.

It's somehow OK for Osman to drop classified data in front of a bunch of ODSTs.

Elites are OK with brutes bit have a general hatred for Humanity? WHAT

Also, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING REMOTELY INTERESTING HAPPENS ON ONYX.


And First Strike happened IMMEDIATELY after Halo 1. Fall of Reach was IMMEDIATELY before Halo 1. What's your friggen point?

Cole Protocol just added "spare fuel" to drop pods. It also didn't have anything to do with Grey Team being "deployed so deep they couldn't be recalled," which is why people wanted to hear more about them. Contact: Harvest came up with some half-baked origin on brute vehicles. It also had an awkward sex scene in it. I fail to see how dropping tech in a book is unusual. This was an ONI mission, ordered by the TOP ONI official. That explains just about anything.

Humanity would have a good understanding, as they had all the information from Cortana post Halo 1 and Halo 2. Think outside the box. Don't just close your eyes, pick a random fact, and try to argue it.

The Brutes didn't betray the Sangheilli, the prophets did.

You failed to make any coherent, solid arguments. Try to prove something to yourself before you spout it at me.

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Well 1/4 of the book is broadcasting the "YOU SHOULD HATE HALSEY, SHE IS EVIL, DEESPPIIISSEE HEEEERRRRR" message. Mendez and Halsey are both out of character. Lucy's punch is weak sauce. For some reason Mal takes HUUUUGGEE offense to Halsey, but is perfectly fine igniting a civil war in a different species with the hopes of disabling them to preform a full fledged xenocide. Parangosky haveing a huge problem with the flash clones, even though she intentionally moves people she dislikes into the "glassing path" of the Covenant. Not really explaining anything new.

Good things? Well Lucy's character was pretty good. Engineers were cool aswell.

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My point for stating that is that Earth and Humanity was beaten back to the point of having only 200,000,000 people left on earth.

There is no way Humanity could have the resources to do these feats.

And yes, FS does take place right after Halo CE but at least they explain everything and are realistic about it.

Brutes and Elites hate each other, how do you not know that? And while Cole Protocol didn't add anything new, it didn't F up anything either. And the whole, Brute Vehicle thing made perfect sense. The fact that the Brute Chieftain calls them steeds implies they ride animals on their home world.

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  • 01.10.2012 4:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: superiorarsenal
Well 1/4 of the book is broadcasting the "YOU SHOULD HATE HALSEY, SHE IS EVIL, DEESPPIIISSEE HEEEERRRRR" message. Mendez and Halsey are both out of character. Lucy's punch is weak sauce. For some reason Mal takes HUUUUGGEE offense to Halsey, but is perfectly fine igniting a civil war in a different species with the hopes of disabling them to preform a full fledged xenocide. Parangosky haveing a huge problem with the flash clones, even though she intentionally moves people she dislikes into the "glassing path" of the Covenant. Not really explaining anything new.

Good things? Well Lucy's character was pretty good. Engineers were cool aswell.


Summation: Humans do what serves them best. Also they're irrational. I know it's a science fiction book and all, so it's so hard to understand that stretch. No one here has yet made a good point. It reads like any other good science fiction book that is meant to convey story and not be a nice novel to start and finish with. Has anyone read any other sci-fi?

  • 01.10.2012 4:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: Onyx81
My point for stating that is that Earth and Humanity was beaten back to the point of having only 200,000,000 people left on earth.

There is no way Humanity could have the resources to do these feats.

And yes, FS does take place right after Halo CE but at least they explain everything and are realistic about it.


What is your source on this population claim? And the comment on First Strike is extremely subjective. Did they explain the crystal at all? How could ONI just sit on top of that GIANT undergound cavern and not notice it. How could a Human ship so conveniently attach to a Covenant one? Why did the soldier blow up the crystal instead of following orders to protect it?

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Posted by: Onyx81
My point for stating that is that Earth and Humanity was beaten back to the point of having only 200,000,000 people left on earth.

There is no way Humanity could have the resources to do these feats.

And yes, FS does take place right after Halo CE but at least they explain everything and are realistic about it.


What is your source on this population claim? And the comment on First Strike is extremely subjective. Did they explain the crystal at all? How could ONI just sit on top of that GIANT undergound cavern and not notice it. How could a Human ship so conveniently attach to a Covenant one? Why did the soldier blow up the crystal instead of following orders to protect it?


Source is from Halo 3's Bestarium. For Earth's population.

Source: Source

[Edited on 01.10.2012 4:21 PM PST]

  • 01.10.2012 4:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: prometheus25
The Brutes didn't betray the Sangheilli, the prophets did.

That was never the issue.

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This is where I got it from

They did explain the crystal. It's some sort of object that uses Slipspace to an powerful extent.

How could Humanity sit on top of the Ark Portal without knowing it?

You got me on that last human Covie ship connections, but that Covie ship was absolutely HUGE.

He blew it up because it was causing them so much trouble. Did you even read that part of the book?

[Edited on 01.10.2012 4:22 PM PST]

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Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: Onyx81

Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: Onyx81
Lots of new stuff is mentioned with no explanation.


Have you read any of the earlier books?! It is almost the exact same writing style!

Glasslands was excellent. Just because people had a different personal perspective of the universe doesn't mean it's bad.

[SPOILERS]

Let's see...

The book takes place IMMEDIATELY Halo 3 before the memorial on March 3rd.

Why does Rtas want to see Sanghelios to make sure it is safe when they were just there?

Mjolnir MK. VII is just dropped in a single sentence without elaborating on how or where it came from.

Somehow humanity has a good understanding of Forerunner drives right after Halo 3 ends and are implementing them into old ships.

It's somehow OK for Osman to drop classified data in front of a bunch of ODSTs.

Elites are OK with brutes bit have a general hatred for Humanity? WHAT

Also, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING REMOTELY INTERESTING HAPPENS ON ONYX.


And First Strike happened IMMEDIATELY after Halo 1. Fall of Reach was IMMEDIATELY before Halo 1. What's your friggen point?

Cole Protocol just added "spare fuel" to drop pods. It also didn't have anything to do with Grey Team being "deployed so deep they couldn't be recalled," which is why people wanted to hear more about them. Contact: Harvest came up with some half-baked origin on brute vehicles. It also had an awkward sex scene in it. I fail to see how dropping tech in a book is unusual. This was an ONI mission, ordered by the TOP ONI official. That explains just about anything.

Humanity would have a good understanding, as they had all the information from Cortana post Halo 1 and Halo 2. Think outside the box. Don't just close your eyes, pick a random fact, and try to argue it.

The Brutes didn't betray the Sangheilli, the prophets did.

You failed to make any coherent, solid arguments. Try to prove something to yourself before you spout it at me.


1.The point is the UNSC could not possibly pull the resources to do the stuff. It is also pretty illogical aswell. Arming the people that want to kill you? Smart move ONI.

2. Cole Protocol explaine Thel's backstory, Grey Team, created the Rubble (and EXPLAINED IT), gave a new look on the Kig-yar human relationship. Contact Harvest showed Johnson's backstory, created the Stanchion, showed what Innies do, highlighted the Sangheli-Brute relationship pre-schism, explained engineers, explained the first UNSC-Covenant contact, explained why the Covenant are fighting humanity, ect..

3. What?

4. And the Brutes and Elites hated eachother to begin with. If the Covenant no longer exists, all that hate can flow freely.

  • 01.10.2012 4:21 PM PDT


Posted by: Onyx81
The population is said in the Halo 3 bestarium.

They did explain the crystal. It's some sort of object that uses Slipspace to an powerful extent.

How could Humanity sit on top of the Ark Portal without knowing it?

You got me on that last human Covie ship connections, but that Covie ship was absolutely HUGE.

He blew it up because it was causing them so much trouble. Did you even read that part of the book?
Pretty sure Cortana used engineers to connect the ships.

[Edited on 01.10.2012 4:23 PM PST]

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Posted by: Onyx81
The population is said in the Halo 3 bestarium.

They did explain the crystal. It's some sort of object that uses Slipspace to an powerful extent.

How could Humanity sit on top of the Ark Portal without knowing it?

You got me on that last human Covie ship connections, but that Covie ship was absolutely HUGE.

He blew it up because it was causing them so much trouble. Did you even read that part of the book?
Pretty sure Cortana used engineers to connect the ships.
I appreciate the support. And yes that would make sense.

  • 01.10.2012 4:25 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal
Well 1/4 of the book is broadcasting the "YOU SHOULD HATE HALSEY, SHE IS EVIL, DEESPPIIISSEE HEEEERRRRR" message. Mendez and Halsey are both out of character. Lucy's punch is weak sauce. For some reason Mal takes HUUUUGGEE offense to Halsey, but is perfectly fine igniting a civil war in a different species with the hopes of disabling them to preform a full fledged xenocide. Parangosky haveing a huge problem with the flash clones, even though she intentionally moves people she dislikes into the "glassing path" of the Covenant. Not really explaining anything new.

Good things? Well Lucy's character was pretty good. Engineers were cool aswell.


Don't forget Mal(IIRC), completely hates and wants to murder Halsey for what she did to the Spartan 2's, but is perfectly fine with the Spartan 3's and the fact they are suicide soldiers barely in their teens when first deployed.

  • 01.10.2012 4:29 PM PDT

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And First Strike happened IMMEDIATELY after Halo 1.


Yes.

Fall of Reach was IMMEDIATELY before Halo 1. What's your friggen point?

No, it started before the Human-Covenant War, period and managed to explain the Spartan-II program, go into the insurrection, detail massive ship battles and go into detail what goes on at Reach itself.

Cole Protocol just added "spare fuel" to drop pods. It also didn't have anything to do with Grey Team being "deployed so deep they couldn't be recalled," which is why people wanted to hear more about them.

True, but it still showed what was going on with the rebels and the Covenant.

Contact: Harvest came up with some half-baked origin on brute vehicles. It also had an awkward sex scene in it.

1. Why is it half-baked?

2. Understandable opinion about the sex scene, but it's Johnson...so not that surprising.

I fail to see how dropping tech in a book is unusual.

All the other books showed technology and at least explained it, what did Glasslands really say about the Infinity? Hardly anything.

This was an ONI mission, ordered by the TOP ONI official. That explains just about anything.

"ONI did it" isn't a good storytelling or canon device.

Humanity would have a good understanding, as they had all the information from Cortana post Halo 1 and Halo 2. Think outside the box. Don't just close your eyes, pick a random fact, and try to argue it.

Because Cortana knows every single thing abut Forerunner engineering and physics, which she doesn't.

The Brutes didn't betray the Sangheilli, the prophets did.

And yet the Brutes were perfectly willing participants and committed atrocity after atrocity.

You failed to make any coherent, solid arguments. Try to prove something to yourself before you spout it at me.

Right back at you.

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