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Subject: Why all the hate on Glasslands

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Posted by: Onyx81

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Posted by: anton1792
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Is it just because of Halsey? Seriously because I don't really understand the problem then because she kidnapped spartans(I understand why she did but still) and then her research was used for something she didn't want so she was pissed at Mendez.
How old are you?

Otherwise, you need to re-read all the books because what you just said is completely untrue.

Also, it would help if you actually read the review instead of just the title.


Excuse me, sir. I have EVERY SINGLE book which I have read multiple times. YES she did steal the Spartans and YES her research was used when she didn't want it to. Might I remind you of the fact that Halsey walked AWAY from the spartan II because she didn't like the canidates they chose, then Ackerson made the Spartan IIIS.

You sir should never insult a person's intelligence again, before checking your own.

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WHAT.

Dude, she kept on the Spartan II program until the end. Ackerson took her research for Spartan III's, but Halsey never walked away from Spartan II's.

And if you actually did read the books you would know why she kidnapped the children.

  • 01.10.2012 4:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: SAM DA COOL MAN
YES she did steal the Spartans and YES her research was used when she didn't want it to.


She wasn't the first one to make super-soldiers, nor were the S-IIs or IIIs the only pursuit to make super-soldiers. ORION came before her and that was the basis for her S-IIs. They also had a Project: JAVELIN, which she though Noble Team was initially part of. So yeah, I can understand her research being used for other projects, but ONI owns it, not her.

Might I remind you of the fact that Halsey walked AWAY from the spartan II because she didn't like the canidates they chose, then Ackerson made the Spartan IIIS.

That and because of the fact that there wasn't funding for a Class-II of Spartan-IIs.



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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Halsey stayed with the Spartans as long as she could. She didn't make more because they could not find enough children who met the needed genetic markers. There is also the fact that the SIIs were extremely expensive and costed as much as a battle fleet.

  • 01.10.2012 4:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Onyx81
WHAT.

Dude, she kept on the Spartan II program until the end. Ackerson took her research for Spartan III's, but Halsey never walked away from Spartan II's.

And if you actually did read the books you would know why she kidnapped the children.


Uh...I think we both understand but are not comprehending one another. Halsey DID walk away from continuing the Spartan II Program because the next set of Candidates were not to her liking. That is stated in Glasslands multiple time as well as in Onyx (i think) But she stayed in charge of the operational spartans

P.S. I have read the books, and I want to know if you did. Why did she Kidnap children, to fight the innies?

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Posted by: Onyx81
WHAT.

Dude, she kept on the Spartan II program until the end. Ackerson took her research for Spartan III's, but Halsey never walked away from Spartan II's.

And if you actually did read the books you would know why she kidnapped the children.


Uh...I think we both understand but are not comprehending one another. Halsey DID walk away from continuing the Spartan II Program because the next set of Candidates were not to her liking. That is stated in Glasslands multiple time as well as in Onyx (i think) But she stayed in charge of the operational spartans

P.S. I have read the books, and I want to know if you did. Why did she Kidnap children, to fight the innies?
Well, I guess I was wrong at that part of Halo Lore. Anyway, she corrected some guys equation about Humans rising up against government and determining casualties. The corrected answer was in the billions. Halsey wanted to stop this so she created Spartans.

  • 01.10.2012 4:56 PM PDT

How about...I don't know...she destroy's cannon! I mean really as alot of people have already said...THE ELITES ARE COOL WITH THE BRUTES! Sure you can say that it was Truth who made them do it, but really? So it went down like this? Elite: YOU MOTHER-blam!- YOU KILLED 100 OF MY BROTHERS! Brute: Truth told me to do it. Elite: Oh, I'm sorry its cool forget about it.

  • 01.10.2012 5:03 PM PDT

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How about...I don't know...she destroy's cannon! I mean really as alot of people have already said...THE ELITES ARE COOL WITH THE BRUTES! Sure you can say that it was Truth who made them do it, but really? So it went down like this? Elite: YOU MOTHER-blam!- YOU KILLED 100 OF MY BROTHERS! Brute: Truth told me to do it. Elite: Oh, I'm sorry its cool forget about it.


Don't get me wrong, but didnt UNSC team up with Elites who glassed multiple planets on the same logic. But lore goes with books and drops REACH which I Like alot

  • 01.10.2012 5:07 PM PDT


Posted by: SAM DA COOL MAN

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How about...I don't know...she destroy's cannon! I mean really as alot of people have already said...THE ELITES ARE COOL WITH THE BRUTES! Sure you can say that it was Truth who made them do it, but really? So it went down like this? Elite: YOU MOTHER-blam!- YOU KILLED 100 OF MY BROTHERS! Brute: Truth told me to do it. Elite: Oh, I'm sorry its cool forget about it.


Don't get me wrong, but didnt UNSC team up with Elites who glassed multiple planets on the same logic. But lore goes with books and drops REACH which I Like alot
I'm pretty sure they teamed up for better odds of surviving. I mean in one corner you had Humans and Elites. In the other corner you had Brutes,Jackels,Grunts,Drones,Prophets,hunters and so on.

  • 01.10.2012 5:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: SAM DA COOL MAN
That is stated in Glasslands multiple time as well as in Onyx (i think) But she stayed in charge of the operational spartans

Source it in a pre-Glasslands work, or it means nothing. Glasslands makes up -blam!- to justify certain plots, and this could just be another. So, what page in GoO, or where ever?

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How about...I don't know...she destroy's cannon! I mean really as alot of people have already said...THE ELITES ARE COOL WITH THE BRUTES! Sure you can say that it was Truth who made them do it, but really? So it went down like this? Elite: YOU MOTHER-blam!- YOU KILLED 100 OF MY BROTHERS! Brute: Truth told me to do it. Elite: Oh, I'm sorry its cool forget about it.

Don't get me wrong, but didnt UNSC team up with Elites who glassed multiple planets on the same logic. But lore goes with books and drops REACH which I Like alot

Truth did not order them to do it. He gave them permission to do it. There is a difference.

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Karen is a really good author but she doesn't seem to fit for Halo.


I want a new Nylund novel.

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Posted by: I Nebula I
Karen is a really good author but she doesn't seem to fit for Halo.


I want a new Nylund novel.


Agreed. After this flux, we can safely say that Traviss is unfit to write further Halo novels. A funny thing about her is that her motto is no prior research on Halo universe to write Halo novels.

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Posted by: I Nebula I
Karen is a really good author but she doesn't seem to fit for Halo.


I want a new Nylund novel.


Agreed. After this flux, we can safely say that Traviss is unfit to write further Halo novels. A funny thing about her is that her motto is no prior research on Halo universe to write Halo novels.


Yeah, especially since the book Glasslands is a sequel to states one thing clearly, and Glasslands says the opposite.

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Look, I get why you guys are arguing me on this issue. Glasslands is not perfect. But it's definitely not an awful book. Many of the points and counterpoints that were raised on technological hurdles seemingly quickly overcome have merit, but I don't see any of them as absolute. They are, as well as mine, built around assumptions.

I guess I'm just not keen to call Glasslands a bad book when I feel that Cole Protocol and Contact: Harvest were of a lower quality and felt more unlike the FoR and FS (I leave the Forerunner books out of this as they are distinctly unique in the Halo novel series). The writing style of Traviss felt so much more like Nylund's, but I suppose that this is all subjective, anyways.

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You do understand how unrealistic it is for the UNSC to be doing what there doing right now right?

The fact that we have these resources to spare to our "enemies' is just crazy. These technological hurdles don't make sense either. It isn't terrible writing no, but it is a terrible Halo book.

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Posted by: Onyx81
You do understand how unrealistic it is for the UNSC to be doing what there doing right now right?

The fact that we have these resources to spare to our "enemies' is just crazy. These technological hurdles don't make sense either. It isn't terrible writing no, but it is a terrible Halo book.


What exactly are they doing that's unrealistic. Let's ignore everything prior, as I had so many people upset with me that I can't get everything that was said and repeated straight without wasting my time.

Infinity had been under construction for a "few years." Halsey's work does have many ethical dilemmas. What else? I'm more curious than anything. Perhaps I am missing something.

  • 01.10.2012 8:10 PM PDT

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For the humans to be recovering so fast is absurd, remember that by Halo 2-3 they only had a bunch of frigates to defend themselves (Unless they had a giant shipyard full of Destroyers and Cruisers that had nothing better to do than to just sit there.) But all of a sudden they have this awesome forerunner infused ship that could probably wipe out a Covenant fleet without troubles.

Then we have the Spartan IV's which did absolutely nothing to defend Earth while it was invaded by the Covenant without mercy. Not to mention the Elites forgiving and liking the Brutes more than humans, when said Brutes had fed on the corpses of dead Elites when the Great Schism began.

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Yes, how did Parangosky not know about the clones? And that's the reason she's angry? It's so stupid. She's as responsible as Halsey.


How did Mjolnir Mk. VII get developed so fast after MK. VI was made a few months ago.

Why weren't Spartan VI's used in the battle of Earth?

Why are Elites Ok with working with Brutes?

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I think the technology issue is not of our concern.

MK 5 was built and readied in November 2551 it was only a few months later that MK 6 came, so Mk 7 coming after a few months makes sense.

As for the fleet, the ONI ships sitting there doing nothing makes sense.

ONI don't care. They have a variety of Prowlers that could do damage to the Covenant fleet had they actually been bothered to use.

The Elites with Brutes thing doesn't make sense considering their races are trying to annihilate each other, but ever member of a race has a opinion.

Humans also would have betrayed their friends for a chance to live, why not brutes?

We don't know how easy/hard it is to backtrack technology, actually with know little to nil about ONI. They could have had Forerunner ships in dry dock for 100 years and we wouldn't know it.

They knew about Onyx, I think it is possible that they can make such advances to quickly.

Just my opinion.

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Posted by: Onyx81
Yes, how did Parangosky not know about the clones? And that's the reason she's angry? It's so stupid. She's as responsible as Halsey.


Parangosky said she learned about the clones "a few years" after Halsey deployed them. She was against them because, I believe, she felt it put the parents through unnecessary grief. Yes, she did approve of the program overall, though. I don't know, this is all just best guess from a fan's point of view.


How did Mjolnir Mk. VII get developed so fast after MK. VI was made a few months ago.

Naomi only had a Mk. VII helmet, which she said was "lighter" and from a "different supplier." Perhaps some competitive contractor found a better way to make the same product. Research on it could have started before the Mk. VI was deployed, but wasn't finished until after. This is, of course, only my assumption/interpretation of this matter.

Why weren't Spartan VI's used in the battle of Earth? Do you mean Spartan IV's? I'm going to assume this is what you meant. Perhaps they were. This book didn't cover the battle for Earth.

Why are Elites Ok with working with Brutes?

The Elites aren't allied with the Brutes. In Glasslands (I just tried skimming for it, but can't find the exact location) with Jul or 'Telcam commented that, while most Brutes were considered enemies, some stayed loyal to their previous shipmasters. He went on to say that the Brutes' complicated pack societal standards played a significant, but difficult to outline, role. I think, and don't quote me on this, that some Brutes feared their previous shipmasters than being outcasts of their Brute pack, which would explain it.

That's all I've got for that subject.

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She left the Spartan II program because she didn't like the gene-pool for the next group of candidates. If the candidates fit her standards she would've been perfectly fine training a second gen Spartan II program
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Posted by: anton1792
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Is it just because of Halsey? Seriously because I don't really understand the problem then because she kidnapped spartans(I understand why she did but still) and then her research was used for something she didn't want so she was pissed at Mendez.
How old are you?

Otherwise, you need to re-read all the books because what you just said is completely untrue.

Also, it would help if you actually read the review instead of just the title.


Excuse me, sir. I have EVERY SINGLE book which I have read multiple times. YES she did steal the Spartans and YES her research was used when she didn't want it to. Might I remind you of the fact that Halsey walked AWAY from the spartan II because she didn't like the canidates they chose, then Ackerson made the Spartan IIIS.

You sir should never insult a person's intelligence again, before checking your own.

  • 01.10.2012 8:38 PM PDT

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And First Strike happened IMMEDIATELY after Halo 1.


Yes.

Fall of Reach was IMMEDIATELY before Halo 1. What's your friggen point?

No, it started before the Human-Covenant War, period and managed to explain the Spartan-II program, go into the insurrection, detail massive ship battles and go into detail what goes on at Reach itself.

Cole Protocol just added "spare fuel" to drop pods. It also didn't have anything to do with Grey Team being "deployed so deep they couldn't be recalled," which is why people wanted to hear more about them.

True, but it still showed what was going on with the rebels and the Covenant.

Contact: Harvest came up with some half-baked origin on brute vehicles. It also had an awkward sex scene in it.

1. Why is it half-baked?

2. Understandable opinion about the sex scene, but it's Johnson...so not that surprising.

I fail to see how dropping tech in a book is unusual.

All the other books showed technology and at least explained it, what did Glasslands really say about the Infinity? Hardly anything.

This was an ONI mission, ordered by the TOP ONI official. That explains just about anything.

"ONI did it" isn't a good storytelling or canon device.

Humanity would have a good understanding, as they had all the information from Cortana post Halo 1 and Halo 2. Think outside the box. Don't just close your eyes, pick a random fact, and try to argue it.

Because Cortana knows every single thing abut Forerunner engineering and physics, which she doesn't.

The Brutes didn't betray the Sangheilli, the prophets did.

And yet the Brutes were perfectly willing participants and committed atrocity after atrocity.

You failed to make any coherent, solid arguments. Try to prove something to yourself before you spout it at me.

Right back at you.


I think DeceptionCobra won this argument...

On a seperate note: After reading Glasslands, it was interesting to delve deeper into the Spartans emotions, but yet as many have agreed, it was not as exciting nor as positive as the other halo novels. Eric Nylund did an excellent job with the original novels, and Karen Traviss didn't. I agree, Halsey was portrayed as sort of a -blam!-, and it made the Spartans look like freak-shows and adult babies. They all looked mentally unstable cowardly and nothing close to the solid, concrete and badass ones we're used to. Sure, it offered an alternate point to the story, and sure, I enjoyed the story, but the issue with Halsey, ODST's, the Spartans, and everything in between ruined it to a point.

  • 01.11.2012 9:12 AM PDT

Walk softly, and carry a big midget.

I thought it was a great book. Most of the complaints I've read are pretty stupid IMO.

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