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Subject: Why all the hate on Glasslands

Roberto, IIRC, all the other lore protrays Halsey neutrally.

It doesn't say what she did was good or bad, or much less shoves said viewpoints around.


Also, what you are saying if you learned somebody did that stuff, you'd be angry/enraged against that scientist. Okay I give you that. BUT, at the same time would you be fine with the parent group having suicide soldiers, children barely maybe into their teens augmented and sent to die?

Cause that's what is shown with the ODST. Ready to murder Halsey, yet 100% a-okay with ONI despite knowing the S3's are suicide soldiers, and incredibly young in comparison.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Cause that's what is shown with the ODST. Ready to murder Halsey, yet 100% a-okay with ONI despite knowing the S3's are suicide soldiers, and incredibly young in comparison.


Which is funny because the spartan II's (From what has been shown) are fine with their position. I feel like this should have been more focused on the SIIIs and Ackerson since the SIIIs are the ones that talk about life more so than the SIIs.

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

I would just like to clarify my opinions on the book a bit. I like Traviss's writing style. It is engaging and unique. What I don't like about Glasslands is it's treatment of some characters (see every Spartan not named Lucy), how some important revelations are sidelined completely, and what it added to canon felt poorer then what it could/should have been.

  • 01.11.2012 4:40 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Roberto, IIRC, all the other lore protrays Halsey neutrally.

It doesn't say what she did was good or bad, or much less shoves said viewpoints around.


Also, what you are saying if you learned somebody did that stuff, you'd be angry/enraged against that scientist. Okay I give you that. BUT, at the same time would you be fine with the parent group having suicide soldiers, children barely maybe into their teens augmented and sent to die?

Cause that's what is shown with the ODST. Ready to murder Halsey, yet 100% a-okay with ONI despite knowing the S3's are suicide soldiers, and incredibly young in comparison.


Its a figure-head issue that people have. Why is it everyone hates President Obama for "not doing anything" when it's a Republican Congress blocking his ability to do anything in the first place? People are more likely to be enraged at something with a face to rage at then a faceless entity composed of equally just as bad people. I agree, logicaly, they should be hating ONI far more then Halsey (they allowed it to happen after all, and funded it) but it isn't as if Vaz can just walk into some room, and shoot an Officer named "ONI" in the head and be done with it. As far as he's concerned, Halsey was the master mind behind the idea of kidnapped children, the face of the faceless Spartan Program, and regardless of how you interpret the cloning idea, the thought of a kid having to die twice, and quite slowly at that, as well as the very reason behind the clones' necessity creates extreme anger. Anger and negativity has a tendancy to override the positives, and humans are not logical creatures.

He's not mad at Osman, his closest link to ONI for example, because he sees her as a victim (which she herself sees her as) and because they have a personal link forged in time spent together. He has no clue who this Halsey person is outside of what he's been told. He doesn't know of her deep-seated resentment or any of that. Using the ideas of the Nuremberg trials analogy earlier, the N@zis who truly felt sorry for what they did were not in any way seen as sympathetic people in the eyes of those who saw only the atrocity: they were seen as sociopathic bastards who deserved to die.

Vaz fills the role of that person who saw only the atrocities. Except now, there is a single person he can point his finger at, instead of a bunch of N@zis.

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

I think my biggest complaint is that the novel seems rather heavy-handed with the morals. People are all mad at Halsey and it shows that Halsey did some questionable things. Traviss said she likes grey areas when writing, IIRC, but here things look rather black and white. I feel that one side was woefully underrepresented and the other side was over-represented. Had Traviss shown both sides of the argument and let the reader decide which side they want to be on I would have enjoyed the novel much more.

  • 01.11.2012 5:16 PM PDT

From what I have gathered from this it appears that everyone hates Glasslands because it changed the story to much. Personally I have no problem with the book and it is definitely a better read then Contact Harvest, in my own opinion anyway. Look guys it changed some technology aspects and pointed to ONI and Cortana for coming up with it but that's not enough of an explanation for you? Cortana interacted with both a halo ring and a gravemind, your telling me she wouldn't of gleaned any information off that and passed on to other humans? And she also changed the mentality of a few characters but come on its called progressing the story.

Sorry if these points have been made I only read the first and last page

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Posted by: Uncarinelf
From what I have gathered from this it appears that everyone hates Glasslands because it changed the story to much. Personally I have no problem with the book and it is definitely a better read then Contact Harvest, in my own opinion anyway. Look guys it changed some technology aspects and pointed to ONI and Cortana for coming up with it but that's not enough of an explanation for you? Cortana interacted with both a halo ring and a gravemind, your telling me she wouldn't of gleaned any information off that and passed on to other humans? And she also changed the mentality of a few characters but come on its called progressing the story.

Sorry if these points have been made I only read the first and last page


I find ruining the trust and respect between Halsey and Mendez for no reason not progression.

I personally find the fact Mendez debated if he felt bad considering letting Halsey starve stupid as hell.

  • 01.11.2012 5:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Uncarinelf
From what I have gathered from this it appears that everyone hates Glasslands because it changed the story to much. Personally I have no problem with the book and it is definitely a better read then Contact Harvest, in my own opinion anyway. Look guys it changed some technology aspects and pointed to ONI and Cortana for coming up with it but that's not enough of an explanation for you? Cortana interacted with both a halo ring and a gravemind, your telling me she wouldn't of gleaned any information off that and passed on to other humans? And she also changed the mentality of a few characters but come on its called progressing the story.

Sorry if these points have been made I only read the first and last page
I just read the part about Cortana being on Halo and speaking with the Gravemind and this is my two cents on the subject. 1. Sure she learned alot about the forerunners but I doubt it has blue prints for ships and all. 2. It's been stated everywhere that the Gravemind was trying to find Earth, and Cortana had to fight tooth and nail to keep it hiding so I doubt she got much info from him. 3. Even IF somehow she did find blue prints for ships and everything, how the hell did Earth creat a ship with forerunner,S-IV and such a powerful force in months?

  • 01.11.2012 5:38 PM PDT

Use every available resource. Look I understand its a stretch just let go and accept the fact that now we have this technology. I guess I just don't hold this minor lapse of canon (minor in my opinion) with as much venom as you do. I overlook it just like I overlooked Halo Reach's canon gaps.

  • 01.11.2012 5:43 PM PDT


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Posted by: Uncarinelf
From what I have gathered from this it appears that everyone hates Glasslands because it changed the story to much. Personally I have no problem with the book and it is definitely a better read then Contact Harvest, in my own opinion anyway. Look guys it changed some technology aspects and pointed to ONI and Cortana for coming up with it but that's not enough of an explanation for you? Cortana interacted with both a halo ring and a gravemind, your telling me she wouldn't of gleaned any information off that and passed on to other humans? And she also changed the mentality of a few characters but come on its called progressing the story.

Sorry if these points have been made I only read the first and last page


I find ruining the trust and respect between Halsey and Mendez for no reason not progression.

I personally find the fact Mendez debated if he felt bad considering letting Halsey starve stupid as hell.

It never went into detail about their relationship before, so in away it is progression because it is taking what was always held for granted as a good relationship and turning it on its head by digging into it.

  • 01.11.2012 5:46 PM PDT


Posted by: Uncarinelf
Use every available resource. Look I understand its a stretch just let go and accept the fact that now we have this technology. I guess I just don't hold this minor lapse of canon (minor in my opinion) with as much venom as you do. I overlook it just like I overlooked Halo Reach's canon gaps.
Why the hell use it to start a new Spartan prgram? a new ship and all the new weapons? Hell look at WWII, America built ships in like 7 to 11 months and thats while they knew what they were doing, had all the resoures and were not being attacked. But the UNSC know very little about Forerunner tech. Have gone from a pop. of anywhere from 20 billion to 50 billion people to 200 million and have lost all they're resoures and you want people to believe in that?

  • 01.11.2012 5:48 PM PDT


Posted by: Uncarinelf

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Posted by: Uncarinelf
From what I have gathered from this it appears that everyone hates Glasslands because it changed the story to much. Personally I have no problem with the book and it is definitely a better read then Contact Harvest, in my own opinion anyway. Look guys it changed some technology aspects and pointed to ONI and Cortana for coming up with it but that's not enough of an explanation for you? Cortana interacted with both a halo ring and a gravemind, your telling me she wouldn't of gleaned any information off that and passed on to other humans? And she also changed the mentality of a few characters but come on its called progressing the story.

Sorry if these points have been made I only read the first and last page


I find ruining the trust and respect between Halsey and Mendez for no reason not progression.

I personally find the fact Mendez debated if he felt bad considering letting Halsey starve stupid as hell.

It never went into detail about their relationship before, so in away it is progression because it is taking what was always held for granted as a good relationship and turning it on its head by digging into it.
She could have done it ALOT better. but she makes them seem like two 13 year olds that just broke up and are forced to try to make up.

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  • 01.11.2012 5:51 PM PDT

200 million is still far more than your example had. Also being 500 years in the future means they have access to far more advanced human building Tex. And they chose that stuff to build so they would be better prepared for another war

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Posted by: Uncarinelf
200 million is still far more than your example had. Also being 500 years in the future means they have access to far more advanced human building Tex. And they chose that stuff to build so they would be better prepared for another war
In all the books and everything it says that it was hard enough to replace ships lost in the first 10 years of the war with all the resources of all the planets and man power they had. But after the war they just somehow all all the resources to creat new weapons and ships?

  • 01.11.2012 5:57 PM PDT

You make it seem as if they built a whole fleet. They didn't. As I have said before it is a stretch but it isn't enough of a canon break to ruin the story for me.

  • 01.11.2012 6:02 PM PDT

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They main problem is the as some one said above the amount of morals play a role.

Also someone pointed out a certain view was protrayed in this book and another shall be protrayed in the next. If so i will be happy, as it now allows us to see her in two views and now see what we consider of her.

So this book stripped her down negatively the next may strip her down positively.

  • 01.11.2012 6:09 PM PDT


Posted by: Uncarinelf
You make it seem as if they built a whole fleet. They didn't. As I have said before it is a stretch but it isn't enough of a canon break to ruin the story for me.
Maybe not for you but it does for alot of people. First you have Halsey and Medez acting like 13 year olds who just broke up. You have Fred and them look like idiots. You have S-IV just popping up out of nowhere. You have a new ship with forerunner tech. You have a S-II just throwing around secerts from the S-II program to pretty much random people. You have Elites cool ith Brutes. You have a person that has been working with Jackals for years and also has a pet grunt. You have ONI trying to start a war. You have ODST wanting to kill Halsey but are cool with the 14 and 15 year olds being sent out to die. You know what, screw it. The book is just bad. If you told me it was a fan fic book. I would just say oh. But Microsoft or 343I asked her to write the book.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Cause that's what is shown with the ODST. Ready to murder Halsey, yet 100% a-okay with ONI despite knowing the S3's are suicide soldiers, and incredibly young in comparison.


Which is funny because the spartan II's (From what has been shown) are fine with their position. I feel like this should have been more focused on the SIIIs and Ackerson since the SIIIs are the ones that talk about life more so than the SIIs.

Was done by cleverly placing certain ideas into the ODST's and getting certain responses while keeping them out of the other projects. Propaganda.

  • 01.11.2012 6:22 PM PDT

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To everybody saying that they could have built Infinity with the post-war budget. Lord Hood told John the following in the level Crow's Nest:

Hood: "I'll initiate a low level strike. Hit 'em right where it hurts. I only have a handful of ships, Master Chief. It's a big risk. But I'm confident..."

A handful of ships, mind you that was a moment after Miranda told them about the Home Fleet being crushed by Regret's forces, this "handful" of ships turned out to be 3 Frigates, that's what Earth had left to spare...Are you seriously going to tell me they went from 3 Frigates to a super advanced Forerunner ship in less than a year?

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
To everybody saying that they could have built Infinity with the post-war budget. Lord Hood told John the following in the level Crow's Nest:

Hood: "I'll initiate a low level strike. Hit 'em right where it hurts. I only have a handful of ships, Master Chief. It's a big risk. But I'm confident..."

A handful of ships, mind you that was a moment after Miranda told them about the Home Fleet being crushed by Regret's forces, this "handful" of ships turned out to be 3 Frigates, that's what Earth had left to spare...Are you seriously going to tell me they went from 3 Frigates to a super advanced Forerunner ship in less than a year?


If ONI didn't waste all that money on infinity Earth would have held out better.

  • 01.11.2012 6:35 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
To everybody saying that they could have built Infinity with the post-war budget. Lord Hood told John the following in the level Crow's Nest:

Hood: "I'll initiate a low level strike. Hit 'em right where it hurts. I only have a handful of ships, Master Chief. It's a big risk. But I'm confident..."

A handful of ships, mind you that was a moment after Miranda told them about the Home Fleet being crushed by Regret's forces, this "handful" of ships turned out to be 3 Frigates, that's what Earth had left to spare...Are you seriously going to tell me they went from 3 Frigates to a super advanced Forerunner ship in less than a year?


They may have had a few destroyers and one or two cruisers, as those couldn't enter atmosphere and be combat able.

Still, Halo 3, ODST, and even the beginning of glasslands I read painted Earth and the Sol system as in RUINS. As in nobody would be in a position to do anything other then clean up and rebuild.


To Roberto and the others who clearly don't understand my simple message.

You all are basically saying, if after reading a report about Halsey's creation of the S2 project, and knowing exactly what the S3's are, you would still work for ONI? Your morals(and that ODST's apparently) must be pretty -blam!- up then.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
To everybody saying that they could have built Infinity with the post-war budget. Lord Hood told John the following in the level Crow's Nest:

Hood: "I'll initiate a low level strike. Hit 'em right where it hurts. I only have a handful of ships, Master Chief. It's a big risk. But I'm confident..."

A handful of ships, mind you that was a moment after Miranda told them about the Home Fleet being crushed by Regret's forces, this "handful" of ships turned out to be 3 Frigates, that's what Earth had left to spare...Are you seriously going to tell me they went from 3 Frigates to a super advanced Forerunner ship in less than a year?


The book clearly states that the engineers have been working on Infinity for a "few years." That's at least two. In fact, that reference is made twice. The ship itself, then, has been under construction for two years. Not to mention the time to design the ship, gather resources, etc.

Is it a stretch, yes, but so are many things else. ONI developing MJOLNIR to be so powerful, it requires soldiers with virtually unbreakable bones? Please. That's such a technological jump it's preposterous. The only reason that claim was invented was to explain why every soldier in the UNSC doesn't have one. The only reason Infinity was brought up is so that it can play a major role in the future. I, for one, don't want to sit through a book droning on about how resources were so tight and blah blah blah just so we can have something cool to see in the future. It's a transition novel, sure, but it's not grossly out of cannon. It's not saying that Keyes somehow is still alive and saved the day.

  • 01.11.2012 6:40 PM PDT


Posted by: Uncarinelf
Technology advances and changes everything.


To reverse engineer anything, you must have the item in use.

To apply forerunner engine advances to UNSC ships, they must have a forerunner slipspace engine.

To apply forerunner weapons to Infinity, they must have a Forerunner ship weapon.

Until they abruptly name-drop and ignore Halo 03, ONI has NEVER been stated to have ANY forerunner tech that could be used on ships bar power production/distribution in things like the portal.

  • 01.11.2012 6:41 PM PDT