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Subject: Why all the hate on Glasslands

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Posted by: grey101

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1. It makes Halsey look evil.


It doesn't make Halsey look evil, it just brings to mind the fact that she did some questionably ethical things to achieve the spartan project. Also hinted that she's a bit of a sociopath, who aren't inherently evil, they just don't feel much symptathy or rather less empathetic.

Apparently most of you are surprised that what halsey did was wrong, sure the outcome was beneficial, but do you think the world would judge her the same way if the covenant hadn't shown up?


Complete Bullshirt, If halsey didn't care jack squat she wouldn't have created clones to give the parents sympathy; She wouldn't take the time to know the spartans to the point she knew who was who despite the armor, She wouldn't mourn at their loss, she wouldn't have used only the best medicines at the time, she wouldn't comment on her guilt constantly.


That is Bull -blam!- and anybody that has ever tried to say that clearly didn't read the books. And i ask for the 20th time What about Ackerson?

The on;y thing "Wrong" with halsey is the hormonal imbalance that was theorized in the Datapads.


Did I say Ackerson didn't do anything wrong?

Did I say that Halsey was completely devoid of emotion and was this crazy insane unsympathetic sci fi version of Dr. Mengle?

No, I called her a bit of a sociopath, not a sociopath. She is extremely capable at pulling back her emotions when the worst news she hears is told to her. She has the capability to ignore certain things to learn something new from her surroundings.

Glasslands portrays Halsey as having a conscience but at times doing things for her self to make herself feel better, and yes we are all guilty of these things. But Halsey can hear poor news and go right back to the task at hand. She felt bad for john and cortana, but found that all she could worry about was if cortana was going to be captured by the covenant. Maybe that isn't "sociopathic" so to say, but what else would you use to describe a scenario in which the only thing that you are interested in is not the possible death of basically yourself in AI form?

She strides through terrible things with her work, she is capable of pushing emotions away from herself without breaking down, and maybe when she's extremely old it might all snap back at her pushing down those emotions for so many years, but during that time she is oddly competent at pushing down her emotions. Like I said, a bit sociopathic (sociopath: a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience), but not evil.

In fact Sociopaths are best described for not caring for things that don't involve themselves, And this might be quite true for halsey. All that we really have to go on is how she reacts to scenarios that for the most part involve her.

Again, not a complete sociopath, she's demonstrated before that she cares for others, but she has certain qualities about her that makes her appear or at least have brief features of a sociopath.

  • 01.11.2012 6:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
To Roberto and the others who clearly don't understand my simple message.

You all are basically saying, if after reading a report about Halsey's creation of the S2 project, and knowing exactly what the S3's are, you would still work for ONI? Your morals(and that ODST's apparently) must be pretty -blam!- up then.


I don't think anyone is saying this. I'm not excusing the SIII project. But just because it wasn't mentioned and criticized I'm not going to complain that the SII project was.

Halsey was on a pedestal; she needed, I feel, a more realistic perspective placed on her. From a fan perspective, Halsey was idealized and practically made a saint, while Ackerman was villainized from the beginning. I think that Traviss was merely balancing the scales in the Haloverse.

  • 01.11.2012 6:46 PM PDT


Posted by: prometheus25

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
To Roberto and the others who clearly don't understand my simple message.

You all are basically saying, if after reading a report about Halsey's creation of the S2 project, and knowing exactly what the S3's are, you would still work for ONI? Your morals(and that ODST's apparently) must be pretty -blam!- up then.


I don't think anyone is saying this. I'm not excusing the SIII project. But just because it wasn't mentioned and criticized I'm not going to complain that the SII project was.

Halsey was on a pedestal; she needed, I feel, a more realistic perspective placed on her. From a fan perspective, Halsey was idealized and practically made a saint, while Ackerman was villainized from the beginning. I think that Traviss was merely balancing the scales in the Haloverse.


That's because Ackerson was a villian. He tried to kill Master Chief on Reach for no other reason then to get back at Halsey's project having more funding then his. He acted that way several times and even the admiralty board had to slap him down because he was disrespecting the then believed dead.

Again, my point is the ODST is described as knowing exactly what Spartan 3's are, yet takes more issue with Halsey's S2 program then ONI's S3 program.

[Edited on 01.11.2012 6:51 PM PST]

  • 01.11.2012 6:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Uncarinelf
Technology advances and changes everything.


To reverse engineer anything, you must have the item in use.

To apply forerunner engine advances to UNSC ships, they must have a forerunner slipspace engine.

To apply forerunner weapons to Infinity, they must have a Forerunner ship weapon.

Until they abruptly name-drop and ignore Halo 03, ONI has NEVER been stated to have ANY forerunner tech that could be used on ships bar power production/distribution in things like the portal.


Couple things here I'd like to mention... ONI did have access to some Forerunner information. And while no source ever said that they did have Forerunner tech, no source ever said they didn't.

Also, engines can refer to more than just Slipspace engines. Perhaps advances in artificial gravity or inertial damping were made? This was proven to have been a field of study in GoO, when Kurt rescued John and the others after they were trapped in those failed prototypes, the ones that caused their hydrostatic layers to over-compensate and cause them to pass out.

Point is, if you find some tech that allowed that tech to work, lowering a ship's inertia would allow existing engines, that powered a ship through Euclidean space, to work much more efficiently.

Not saying that's true, but it's plausible.

  • 01.11.2012 6:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: prometheus25

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
To Roberto and the others who clearly don't understand my simple message.

You all are basically saying, if after reading a report about Halsey's creation of the S2 project, and knowing exactly what the S3's are, you would still work for ONI? Your morals(and that ODST's apparently) must be pretty -blam!- up then.


I don't think anyone is saying this. I'm not excusing the SIII project. But just because it wasn't mentioned and criticized I'm not going to complain that the SII project was.

Halsey was on a pedestal; she needed, I feel, a more realistic perspective placed on her. From a fan perspective, Halsey was idealized and practically made a saint, while Ackerman was villainized from the beginning. I think that Traviss was merely balancing the scales in the Haloverse.


That's because Ackerson was a villian. He tried to kill Master Chief on Reach for no other reason then to get back at Halsey's project having more funding then his. He acted that way several times and even the admiralty board had to slap him down because he was disrespecting the then believed dead.

Again, my point is the ODST is described as knowing exactly what Spartan 3's are, yet takes more issue with Halsey's S2 program then ONI's S3 program.


So freakin' what? It's a book. If it covered every single detail and moral and ethical conflict, it'd be long, boring and I wouldn't have read it. It'd be filled with so much garbage that everyone would still hate it.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: prometheus25
And while no source ever said that they did have Forerunner tech, no source ever said they didn't.



That is the most annoying and aggravating cop-out you could possibly use.

  • 01.11.2012 6:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: prometheus25
And while no source ever said that they did have Forerunner tech, no source ever said they didn't.



That is the most annoying and aggravating cop-out you could possibly use.


Absolutely.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: prometheus25
And while no source ever said that they did have Forerunner tech, no source ever said they didn't.



That is the most annoying and aggravating cop-out you could possibly use.


Agreed.

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Posted by: ajw34307
Halsey's guilt and self-loathing has already been covered in TFOR, First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx. Traviss goes out of her way to demonise Halsey in the eyes of every single human being, like the ODSTs when Parangosky explains everything Halsey did.

Hold the phone, what about those other Spartans that ONI created? The ones made to be DISPOSABLE SUICIDE TROOPERS, but no, we're told that it is HALSEY that is unethical...

It's also worth noting that ONI gave Halsey the go-ahead for the Spartan-II program twice, Parangosky is butthurt because Halsey never told her about the flash clones... How does this make Halsey unethical again? Her reasons are justified so she can give closure to the families, instead of making them live in fear that their child has been raped or something. And what's Parangosky's justification for this? Saying that Halsey has committed actions "likely to aid the enemy"...

...

What? This woman has devoted decades of her life to researching and creating soldiers capable of defending humanity after Carver's analysis that: "Unless the political situation throughout the colonies is stabilized (preferably by force), the Government will collapse and civil war will rip human society apart."

Of everything she's done to help the UNSC, why would she suddenly commit acts "likely to aid the enemy"? I get it, she's being used as a scapegoat, but it's a shoddy way to try to get this point across. It make no sense at all and is just another way of making the audience think that Halsey is bad.

Then there's Mendez... good ol' Mendez. Oh, wait, now he's more depressing than Bella from Twilight... After aout 3 books of being told that he is more than willing to carry on doing what he does because it's for the preservation of humanity, following Halsey and then ONI for the Spartan-III program, all of a sudden he starts hating on Halsey.

And we know why, don't we? Drama. Clear-cut, soap opera, cringey drama so that the characters have something to do in the Dyson Sphere - the largest known structure in the Halo universe, and THIS is the best that Traviss can come up with.


And now, the mother of all questions:
What is wrong with Parangosky?

Here's a better question: What isn't wrong with Parangosky?

Old Maggie says that the Spartans will be given full access to their parental records and every detail about their past. Apparently she is completely unaware of the consequences that this is going to have... Here's a scenario that follows:

- Fred finds out about his family, all seems tickety-boo as they're still alive so he decides to go pay them a visit, this is his chance to integrate himself into normal human society for the first time since he was 6.

- Fred turns up on their doorstep, awkwardness ensues as he reveals to the woman 3 feet shorter than him that he's her son.

- WHAM! Chain reaction! Other Spartans reveal themselves to their families and there is a massive amount of backlash in the media for Halsey, the woman who turned these children into "monsters" and "freaks". Spartans are segregated from their families because they can't accept what has been done to their children, most of the parents would have moved on from the loss of their children anyway and now they've come back and revealed that they never died. Mental trauma abound!

- Oh, here's a totally unforseeable and cruel plot twist! Halsey reveals that it was ONI that gave her the green light for this project and funded it, and that ONI themselves got over 930 other children for another Spartan project designed as disposable supersoldiers. Talk about awkwardness in the court room!

- Everyone rises up against ONI, their other twisted experiments are revealed (as Halsey had access to a lot of classified records and spills the beans, for example the experiments that John Smith was conducting by infecting humans with the Flood).

Result - Maggs has just somehow unknowingly signed a death warrant for ONI because she hates Halsey.

And then Parangosky starts talking about making more Spartans in a similar fashion to the ORION project, because that went down really well last time, right? Where will the funding come from for this? I guess rebuilding is no longer a priority only a few months after the end of the war then if more Spartans are going to be made for some reason we're not told? Spartan-IVs? Is this some kind of fan fiction? Why not just recall Gamma Company? That would make a lot more sense.

So Spartans are now going to get the Clone Trooper treatment, they'll just start being pumped out again and again... but look who the author is, are any of us really all that surprised.

And then what the hell is Fred doing the entire time? He outranks EVERYONE there. He'd definitely push Halsey to the side when it comes to communicating with Earth, you'd think that this would be his priority.

We lose every one of the Spartan-IIs and all but one of the IIIs as characters. They're made into machines, herpicus derpicus as the Latin phrase goes.

Then you've got Halsey "abducting" the Spartans. What the hell? How does Parangosky, or anyone outside the Sphere, know she abducted them? Hood sent the Spartans. For all anyone knows, they all bloody died, so let's just go and just stick around this mystery object, when we have most of Humanity wiped out.

And then Halsey pops up, and everyone is all like "Y U TOOK THEM AWAY WEN WE NEEDED?!?!?!?!?!", yet nobody is getting mad at Lord Hood in the least for sending them in the first place. No. It's HALSEY'S fault.

And then there's Anton's point: Where did the whole "Humans are utter liars" stereotype come from? I have noticed that this was, above all of the other insults coming from the Sangheili, the most prominent quip. It is almost like a running theme in the novel, that Humanity somehow have the stereotype as being profuse liars in the galaxy. This has just come out of the blue. As far as I am aware there was no indication at all in the canon that the Sangheili thought of Humans as being liars in particular above anything else. It was always just the usual "Heretic" or "pathetic" or "weak/stupid" etc quips coming from the ones that were over-zealous like that. However no one quality in particular was ever singled out and aggrandized above the others, as if it were a common stereotype.

Jul said that Humans hold compassion and fair play as the staples of their society, and then says that this is a lie (huh!) because there is "copious amounts of evidence to the contrary". What evidence? And how can he know this? How the -blam!- does this guy suddenly know so much about humanity?

What about this next bit in chapter 7 somewhere:

"But he also knew just how successful humans had been using the most underhand and dishonest tactics; not just bluff and feint, but the most complex and disgusting deceptions. They were prepared to forfeit the lives of their own people to achieve it, too."

What evidence is there for "underhanded and dishonest tactics", and of Humanity "sacrificing their own in order to achieve it"? and how does he know about these things? How can you even have "underhanded and dishonest" tactics and "disgusting deceptions" coming from the losing side in a war of genocide? There are, evidently, no rules and absolutely no civility to be found in such a scenario in the first place. So what does any of that even mean?

How does 'Telcam know about humanity's religions, enough to say that the major ones are corrupt? In order to know that he would need to have a decent knowledge of these institutions, of their history and of their effects on society. How can he know all this?

I get the impression that all of this has been stuck on where it either never existed before or does not make sense just to give the Sangheili a good excuse to hate humans. Because that is all Glasslands is about. Hate, hate, a side dish of hate and a dessert of hate with hate custard on top.

This was a terrible Halo book, Traviss completely ignored important details from the canon (things like Lucy punching Halsey with enough force it made her arm vibrate, yet Halsey escapes death with only a bloody nose) and basically writes out of fear of becoming too fond of and familiar with the universe she's writing books for.

  • 01.11.2012 7:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: prometheus25

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
To everybody saying that they could have built Infinity with the post-war budget. Lord Hood told John the following in the level Crow's Nest:

Hood: "I'll initiate a low level strike. Hit 'em right where it hurts. I only have a handful of ships, Master Chief. It's a big risk. But I'm confident..."

A handful of ships, mind you that was a moment after Miranda told them about the Home Fleet being crushed by Regret's forces, this "handful" of ships turned out to be 3 Frigates, that's what Earth had left to spare...Are you seriously going to tell me they went from 3 Frigates to a super advanced Forerunner ship in less than a year?


The book clearly states that the engineers have been working on Infinity for a "few years." That's at least two. In fact, that reference is made twice. The ship itself, then, has been under construction for two years. Not to mention the time to design the ship, gather resources, etc.

Is it a stretch, yes, but so are many things else. ONI developing MJOLNIR to be so powerful, it requires soldiers with virtually unbreakable bones? Please. That's such a technological jump it's preposterous. The only reason that claim was invented was to explain why every soldier in the UNSC doesn't have one. The only reason Infinity was brought up is so that it can play a major role in the future. I, for one, don't want to sit through a book droning on about how resources were so tight and blah blah blah just so we can have something cool to see in the future. It's a transition novel, sure, but it's not grossly out of cannon. It's not saying that Keyes somehow is still alive and saved the day.


Okay, so it takes them 26-27 years to reverse engineer the gauntlet shield of a Jackal to create proper Energy Shielding and yet in two mere years they can create a forerunner ship? where did they get the data? where did they get the resources?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Not to mention that it is a technology ship, thus i expect most of the tech to be covenant, not forerunner. Even then it doesn't really add up since they only recently started unlocking the covenant tech. They still don't even know how the plasma pistol works.

  • 01.11.2012 7:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: prometheus25

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
To everybody saying that they could have built Infinity with the post-war budget. Lord Hood told John the following in the level Crow's Nest:

Hood: "I'll initiate a low level strike. Hit 'em right where it hurts. I only have a handful of ships, Master Chief. It's a big risk. But I'm confident..."

A handful of ships, mind you that was a moment after Miranda told them about the Home Fleet being crushed by Regret's forces, this "handful" of ships turned out to be 3 Frigates, that's what Earth had left to spare...Are you seriously going to tell me they went from 3 Frigates to a super advanced Forerunner ship in less than a year?


The book clearly states that the engineers have been working on Infinity for a "few years." That's at least two. In fact, that reference is made twice. The ship itself, then, has been under construction for two years. Not to mention the time to design the ship, gather resources, etc.

Is it a stretch, yes, but so are many things else. ONI developing MJOLNIR to be so powerful, it requires soldiers with virtually unbreakable bones? Please. That's such a technological jump it's preposterous. The only reason that claim was invented was to explain why every soldier in the UNSC doesn't have one. The only reason Infinity was brought up is so that it can play a major role in the future. I, for one, don't want to sit through a book droning on about how resources were so tight and blah blah blah just so we can have something cool to see in the future. It's a transition novel, sure, but it's not grossly out of cannon. It's not saying that Keyes somehow is still alive and saved the day.


Okay, so it takes them 26-27 years to reverse engineer the gauntlet shield of a Jackal to create proper Energy Shielding and yet in two mere years they can create a forerunner ship? where did they get the data? where did they get the resources?


Cortana had a sizable Forerunner Archive after coming back from Installation 04. And that's a fact, by the way, not a guess. And if you accept Halo: Reach, she had information from the Forerunner structure under the glacier.

This is just my guess. Only claiming it to prove that ONI did in fact have some Forerunner data prior to Glasslands. In the end, it's Bungie's/343's project. The truth lies in the Halo Bible, and no one but a few have gotten to read that.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

And ONI wouldn't have time to do absolutely anything with any of that knowledge.

  • 01.11.2012 7:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
And ONI wouldn't have time to do absolutely anything with any of that knowledge.


Most of it, not likely. Glasslands could have benefited from having taken place a bit later, I suppose. Though I'm guessing it was forced to be when it was to fit with Hood's importance for the treaty and ceremony, and possibly with some events involving Master Chief which might be revealed in the next books and games.

My perspective is really that some artistic license had to be employed in this novel to allow the next ones to work well.

  • 01.11.2012 7:32 PM PDT

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You say they've been working on the ship for a few years, yet John and Cortana spent next to no time in Earth before they left to Delta Halo which makes that a little hard to believe.

  • 01.11.2012 7:41 PM PDT

Halsey's demonization didn't really bother me. I have my opinion on her, and that still hasn't changed, but I can see from both perspectives. It's not difficult to see why people hate her so much. As much as the Spartan program was crucial to the war, it is quite a harrowing thing for a child to go through.

What really bothered me was Mendez. It was really driven home how much he detested Halsey. Every 5 seconds he'd say, or think, something; and I'd roll my eyes. He helped her, for gods sake, and then aided putting another set of kids through the same ordeal (don't care if they volunteered or not). These kids were actually made for suicide missions, on top of that. I hated that people were alright with him, after they exited the Dyson Sphere; and was so glad when Vaz had words with him about what he'd done. Tbh, I felt more for Halsey thanks to this book. Quite a tragic character.

I know not much happened in the Dyson Sphere, but I did really love Lucy's development.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You say they've been working on the ship for a few years, yet John and Cortana spent next to no time in Earth before they left to Delta Halo which makes that a little hard to believe.


I was only giving an example to disprove ONI not having any Forerunner information.

But to reply, Cortana and Masterchief returned to Earth in mid September, and Earth is attacked on Nov. 20th. That gives a month to transfer the information Earth-side. With Halo 3 ending, and Glasslands beginning, in March, that's four months to work with it.

Of course, we don't know that as the only source of info, I'm merely just conjecturing/proving a point.

  • 01.11.2012 8:15 PM PDT

But you're thinking it's just Earth. It's not just Earth, there are still plenty of un-found un-glassed colonies that they could pull some resources from.

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Posted by: THE EVIL GOFOR
But you're thinking it's just Earth. It's not just Earth, there are still plenty of un-found un-glassed colonies that they could pull some resources from.


And? Those communications were blacked out. In other words, UNSC had no resources left to continue with military stuff.

In fact, UNSC are recovering at unrealistic speeds which it isn't good. Learning Forerunner technology in few months? That's way too fast. Look at them, it took them to CRACK A JACKAL SHIELD for MJOLNIR shielding for nearly twenty years. TWENTY years.

Think about it.

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Posted by: THE EVIL GOFOR
But you're thinking it's just Earth. It's not just Earth, there are still plenty of un-found un-glassed colonies that they could pull some resources from.


And? Those communications were blacked out. In other words, UNSC had no resources left to continue with military stuff.

In fact, UNSC are recovering at unrealistic speeds which it isn't good. Learning Forerunner technology in few months? That's way too fast. Look at them, it took them to CRACK A JACKAL SHIELD for MJOLNIR shielding for nearly twenty years. TWENTY years.

Think about it.


Maybe they were being lazy?

But seriously, I don't know. But it is what it is.

  • 01.11.2012 8:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
To everybody saying that they could have built Infinity with the post-war budget. Lord Hood told John the following in the level Crow's Nest:

Hood: "I'll initiate a low level strike. Hit 'em right where it hurts. I only have a handful of ships, Master Chief. It's a big risk. But I'm confident..."

A handful of ships, mind you that was a moment after Miranda told them about the Home Fleet being crushed by Regret's forces, this "handful" of ships turned out to be 3 Frigates, that's what Earth had left to spare...Are you seriously going to tell me they went from 3 Frigates to a super advanced Forerunner ship in less than a year?


They may have had a few destroyers and one or two cruisers, as those couldn't enter atmosphere and be combat able.

Still, Halo 3, ODST, and even the beginning of glasslands I read painted Earth and the Sol system as in RUINS. As in nobody would be in a position to do anything other then clean up and rebuild.


To Roberto and the others who clearly don't understand my simple message.

You all are basically saying, if after reading a report about Halsey's creation of the S2 project, and knowing exactly what the S3's are, you would still work for ONI? Your morals(and that ODST's apparently) must be pretty -blam!- up then.


I do not know if the Sol system was really in ruins, they mainly carried out small but not that destructive of campaings everywhere, they mainly stayed on new mombasa and just sent ships to keep humans from entering. Most of the fleet were not interested in destroying the human cities.

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Posted by: prometheus25

Maybe they were being lazy?

But seriously, I don't know. But it is what it is.


Such retarded statement...

You wouldn't say that if you have paid any attention to Halo novels or other sources. There is a scientific community that were devoted to cracking the Jackal shield technology and it was met with numerous failure over again for straight twenty years until they achieved the breakthrough in 2550-ish and issued to MJOLNIR Mark V that was released in 2551.

Or what about Dr. Halsey being unable to understand Needler when she first examined?



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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: risay_117

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
To everybody saying that they could have built Infinity with the post-war budget. Lord Hood told John the following in the level Crow's Nest:

Hood: "I'll initiate a low level strike. Hit 'em right where it hurts. I only have a handful of ships, Master Chief. It's a big risk. But I'm confident..."

A handful of ships, mind you that was a moment after Miranda told them about the Home Fleet being crushed by Regret's forces, this "handful" of ships turned out to be 3 Frigates, that's what Earth had left to spare...Are you seriously going to tell me they went from 3 Frigates to a super advanced Forerunner ship in less than a year?


They may have had a few destroyers and one or two cruisers, as those couldn't enter atmosphere and be combat able.

Still, Halo 3, ODST, and even the beginning of glasslands I read painted Earth and the Sol system as in RUINS. As in nobody would be in a position to do anything other then clean up and rebuild.


To Roberto and the others who clearly don't understand my simple message.

You all are basically saying, if after reading a report about Halsey's creation of the S2 project, and knowing exactly what the S3's are, you would still work for ONI? Your morals(and that ODST's apparently) must be pretty -blam!- up then.


I do not know if the Sol system was really in ruins, they mainly carried out small but not that destructive of campaings everywhere, they mainly stayed on new mombasa and just sent ships to keep humans from entering. Most of the fleet were not interested in destroying the human cities.


You missed out on "Uprising", GoO, and the beasturim.

The Sol system go wrecked.

  • 01.11.2012 8:45 PM PDT

yas334229812

Anyone considered that the gea in some humans were activated or maybe like chief some of the scientist suddenly had a familiarity with forerunner tech and just somehow not in their known ability able to easily move their ways through the tech.

Possible only a couple of all in the project had awakened some form of gea, not an old ghost but some basic understanding of the tech.


Posted by: Elder Bias

Posted by: THE EVIL GOFOR
But you're thinking it's just Earth. It's not just Earth, there are still plenty of un-found un-glassed colonies that they could pull some resources from.


And? Those communications were blacked out. In other words, UNSC had no resources left to continue with military stuff.

In fact, UNSC are recovering at unrealistic speeds which it isn't good. Learning Forerunner technology in few months? That's way too fast. Look at them, it took them to CRACK A JACKAL SHIELD for MJOLNIR shielding for nearly twenty years. TWENTY years.

Think about it.

  • 01.11.2012 8:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: risay_117
I do not know if the Sol system was really in ruins, they mainly carried out small but not that destructive of campaings everywhere, they mainly stayed on new mombasa and just sent ships to keep humans from entering. Most of the fleet were not interested in destroying the human cities.


Uprising, GoO and Beastarium would like have a word with you.

Covenant, in fact, they did attack numerous cities in global scale at Earth. That's main reason why it was dropped from tens of billions to a mere two hundred million people left in a month or so.

  • 01.11.2012 8:49 PM PDT