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Subject: Why all the hate on Glasslands
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Can someone tell me where the idea of Brutes and/or Grunts being good engineers came from? The Return was clear that the Prophets were in charge of the technology and when they vanished, the Elites and Brutes ships were falling apart because neither knew the skills to repair or make new ships.

They are skilled in the ways of duct tape, WD-40, and MacGyver. With those things anything is possible.

  • 01.18.2012 4:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Can someone tell me where the idea of Brutes and/or Grunts being good engineers came from? The Return was clear that the Prophets were in charge of the technology and when they vanished, the Elites and Brutes ships were falling apart because neither knew the skills to repair or make new ships.


Even the Brutes in Contact harvest had to rely on Drones to do repairs.

  • 01.18.2012 4:36 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Can someone tell me where the idea of Brutes and/or Grunts being good engineers came from? The Return was clear that the Prophets were in charge of the technology and when they vanished, the Elites and Brutes ships were falling apart because neither knew the skills to repair or make new ships.


Grunts as farmers/simply laborers I can see.

Brute's you could roughly argue since their ships often were trashed up before handed up, they had to learn how to fix certain things. However that's nullified by the brute ship we are told about in detail is being held together by Drones only, and the Brutes can't repair the major systems until the engineer arrived.

That and I'm sure brutes can easily maintain, build, and such of their own tech (Spikers, choppers, etc), but mainline Covenant? Nah.

Really it'd be more of their engineers and scientists (war focused no doubt) simply hadn't been weeded out by that time like the elites had.



Though, I must bring up a pretty major detail. Elites and Brutes loath each other, they can't stand working together (Thel only works with one because Regret ordered the two to work together, and even then the Brute backstabbed him just to show that "Brutes are better then Elites!"), so why the hell where their brutes on the Elite homeworld before the schism? I can't see any Elites pre-glasslands think about LETTING brutes touch their planet. Likewise I doubt any Elites stayed on the Brute homeworld.

  • 01.18.2012 4:52 PM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553

I liked it even though it was a bit bland compared to the other books.

  • 01.18.2012 5:31 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

I have stated several times plasma that they wouldn't do that because they are treated DIFFERENTLY than the slaves outside the house. Which is why when a riot or commotion breaks out they do not understand why because "The Master" has been good to them. You do not understand what you are talking about in any context.
No, grey, you either refuse to acknowledge the point I'm making or do not have reading comprehension; I doubt it's the latter, so I'll rephrase my point so you can actually address it.

I am not talking about the House slaves. The field slaves had an equally likely chance of screwing up the master's business since that is what the master made his money off: working hundreds of slaves on plantations all day long - probably abusing them - and yet they did not do anything which could sabotage the business of the master because they were aware of the consequences. Note, I am not talking about slaves that were in the house at all here.

Please explain to us how the Brutes cannot Sabotage the elites "In no practical way"
I don't care about scale
The impracticality of an attack implies the scale or magnitude is insignificant, grey.

You are honestly saying that if the Brutes attacked the temple it wouldn't matter? You do understand that those Brutes clearly have some backing and intelligence behind them not to mention we know that if other brutes do not help then they will attack them. The Temple would only be the start.
Okay, grey, let's entertain your thoughts. Suppose the Brutes attacked the Temple, killed a couple Elites, and destroyed -blam!-. Congratulations, they have managed to piss off a bunch of Elites on their home-world and are likely to get exterminated. The Brutes are unable to launch an attack of sufficient magnitude to be any noticeable threat.

It is an issue because you have no idea of what you are talking about and fail to see past "today".

Translation: You have do idea what you're talking about because your opinion differs to mine on this subject.

You made it an issue by bringing it up, grey, I've simply been responding to the nonsense. I don't defend inexcusable flaws in the novel such as Lucy's punch not having the appropriate impact, only those which are just a bunch of nonsense and contrivances.



[Edited on 01.19.2012 9:29 AM PST]

  • 01.19.2012 9:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Note the final sentance.


"The San'shyuum made us reliant on savages."

That's a pretty clear statement that the BRUTES are doing the bulk of repair work and field tending. They are the race Elites consider Savage, not grunts.

You cannot interpret savages as only brutes. Jackels although were not named that also are considered that as well as the drones can be, and brutes.

Savages has a huge meaning and is mainly used to those who are primitive. Not necessarily peacefull etc. but those who are primitive and this kind of association has been noted for years.

The First Nations in Canada would have been called savages although they were more advanced spiritually and more peacefull than the europeans. Savage is used for those that are considered low or primitive.

  • 01.19.2012 10:49 AM PDT
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Why brutes are on their homeworld is mainly based on slavery, they make a wrong move and he is stuck by a pike and placed in public. A threat to the rest of the Brutes.

The way one controls slaves is mainly breaking their will. This could have happened plus the fear of death etc. may make them want to work hoping that they would not be killed next. They are used for slave labour, and are called servants although according to us they are slaves. They do all the heavy work moving things and on the farm.

  • 01.19.2012 10:52 AM PDT

Yet the Returns says the Brutes and Elites have been fighting for years...

Again, One of the issues with the American history slaves vs brutes slaves would be the fact that American history the slave owners knew the work. They could easily tell if something was wrong. Brutes could 'fix' something but let's say, make the fuel tank last only half as long. The Elites, lacking all technical knowledge cannot tell if they did it.

  • 01.19.2012 11:59 AM PDT