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Subject: Why all the hate on Glasslands

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Posted by: prometheus25

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You say they've been working on the ship for a few years, yet John and Cortana spent next to no time in Earth before they left to Delta Halo which makes that a little hard to believe.


I was only giving an example to disprove ONI not having any Forerunner information.

But to reply, Cortana and Masterchief returned to Earth in mid September, and Earth is attacked on Nov. 20th. That gives a month to transfer the information Earth-side. With Halo 3 ending, and Glasslands beginning, in March, that's four months to work with it.

Of course, we don't know that as the only source of info, I'm merely just conjecturing/proving a point.


Actually no, they arrived in late September - early October and Earth was attacked on October 20th, then they left to Delta Halo.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of humanity getting forerunner technology and all, but not in this way.

  • 01.11.2012 10:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: prometheus25

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You say they've been working on the ship for a few years, yet John and Cortana spent next to no time in Earth before they left to Delta Halo which makes that a little hard to believe.


I was only giving an example to disprove ONI not having any Forerunner information.

But to reply, Cortana and Masterchief returned to Earth in mid September, and Earth is attacked on Nov. 20th. That gives a month to transfer the information Earth-side. With Halo 3 ending, and Glasslands beginning, in March, that's four months to work with it.

Of course, we don't know that as the only source of info, I'm merely just conjecturing/proving a point.


Actually no, they arrived in late September - early October and Earth was attacked on October 20th, then they left to Delta Halo.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of humanity getting forerunner technology and all, but not in this way.


Regardless, I'm merely talking about information Cortana had. It's not going to take over a month to transfer what she gathered. Not in 2550's, anyway.

  • 01.11.2012 10:05 PM PDT

No, but it'd probably take months to go through all that data.

There was enough data to make Cortana, one of the more advanced Smart AI's, feel 'bloated' and slow down.

  • 01.11.2012 10:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
No, but it'd probably take months to go through all that data.

There was enough data to make Cortana, one of the more advanced Smart AI's, feel 'bloated' and slow down.


I'm really not going to nit pick this subject, because it's a moot point. I don't personally believe that this is where Forerunner information came from, I'm not going to argue assumptions with assumptions, and it wouldn't change anything if either of us "won."

  • 01.11.2012 11:31 PM PDT


Posted by: prometheus25

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: prometheus25

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
To Roberto and the others who clearly don't understand my simple message.

You all are basically saying, if after reading a report about Halsey's creation of the S2 project, and knowing exactly what the S3's are, you would still work for ONI? Your morals(and that ODST's apparently) must be pretty -blam!- up then.


I don't think anyone is saying this. I'm not excusing the SIII project. But just because it wasn't mentioned and criticized I'm not going to complain that the SII project was.

Halsey was on a pedestal; she needed, I feel, a more realistic perspective placed on her. From a fan perspective, Halsey was idealized and practically made a saint, while Ackerman was villainized from the beginning. I think that Traviss was merely balancing the scales in the Haloverse.


That's because Ackerson was a villian. He tried to kill Master Chief on Reach for no other reason then to get back at Halsey's project having more funding then his. He acted that way several times and even the admiralty board had to slap him down because he was disrespecting the then believed dead.

Again, my point is the ODST is described as knowing exactly what Spartan 3's are, yet takes more issue with Halsey's S2 program then ONI's S3 program.


So freakin' what? It's a book. If it covered every single detail and moral and ethical conflict, it'd be long, boring and I wouldn't have read it. It'd be filled with so much garbage that everyone would still hate it.


Actually it should have been like the other Halo books did... Tell what they did, why they did it, what the alternative was and then let us decide if they were right or wrong. This book just drags up the old story, it disregards the fact the Spartan II's were made to stop humanity destroying itself in a civil war and then decides it's going to slap a evil sticker on Halsey's head.

She took young children from there families (under orders)
She left flash clones for the families (Against orders.)
She watch them get trained (Under Orders)
She grew attached to the Spartans and started to care for them (Her own choice.)
She then augmented them to the highest standard as safely as she could. (under orders.)
She then kept track all every single one of her Spartans, grieving there deaths. (Her own choice.)
She then gave them high tech Armour, most people couldn't recognized them, Halsey learnt how to. (Her Own choice).
She took one of her Spartans away to try and stop more Spartans being made and to hide her own so she would survive the war. (Against regulation.)

When you look at it properly, her negative acts were Under Orders of ONI, her positive acts were under her own directive.

  • 01.12.2012 12:21 AM PDT

yas334229812


Anyone considered that the gea in some humans were activated or maybe like chief some of the scientist suddenly had a familiarity with forerunner tech and just somehow not in their known ability able to easily move their ways through the tech.

Possible only a couple of all in the project had awakened some form of gea, not an old ghost but some basic understanding of the tech.


Posted by: Elder Bias

Posted by: THE EVIL GOFOR
But you're thinking it's just Earth. It's not just Earth, there are still plenty of un-found un-glassed colonies that they could pull some resources from.


And? Those communications were blacked out. In other words, UNSC had no resources left to continue with military stuff.

In fact, UNSC are recovering at unrealistic speeds which it isn't good. Learning Forerunner technology in few months? That's way too fast. Look at them, it took them to CRACK A JACKAL SHIELD for MJOLNIR shielding for nearly twenty years. TWENTY years.

Think about it.

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Posted by: risay_117

Anyone considered that the gea in some humans were activated or maybe like chief some of the scientist suddenly had a familiarity with forerunner tech and just somehow not in their known ability able to easily move their ways through the tech.

Possible only a couple of all in the project had awakened some form of gea, not an old ghost but some basic understanding of the tech.




Double post... You already posted that in page 6 of this thread.

  • 01.12.2012 8:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: risay_117

Anyone considered that the gea in some humans were activated or maybe like chief some of the scientist suddenly had a familiarity with forerunner tech and just somehow not in their known ability able to easily move their ways through the tech.

Possible only a couple of all in the project had awakened some form of gea, not an old ghost but some basic understanding of the tech.
I thought about it. It may be possible, but it'd be a flimsy conjecture without much to back it up at this point. Perhaps, though; certainly not impossible.

  • 01.12.2012 8:20 AM PDT

Glasslands was atrocious. it lacked the hardcore (yet theoretically believable) techno babble. And Humans, only after 3 months, can now speak in every Covenant language and make shady deals with them. And the most agriegious crime was a lack of action--the hallmark of the franchise. In the entire book 3 Jackals, 3 Brutes and 2 Grunts were killed. WTF? Tor or whoever is in charge need to get Eric Nylund back and have him as the exclusive author for all Halo novels. No thats a lie; Greg Bear rocks too. The two should collaborate on the script for the upcoming Halo 4, 5, and 6.

  • 01.12.2012 10:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: brokeneagle77
Glasslands was atrocious. it lacked the hardcore (yet theoretically believable) techno babble. And Humans, only after 3 months, can now speak in every Covenant language and make shady deals with them. And the most agriegious crime was a lack of action--the hallmark of the franchise. In the entire book 3 Jackals, 3 Brutes and 2 Grunts were killed. WTF? Tor or whoever is in charge need to get Eric Nylund back and have him as the exclusive author for all Halo novels. No thats a lie; Greg Bear rocks too. The two should collaborate on the script for the upcoming Halo 4, 5, and 6.


Of all things some of what you said are not really negative points, not all humans can speak the covenant language only a handfull around 10 at max.

Making shady deals is what spec ops is and low kill counts is what you need in a spec ops. You do not want to leave a big kill count that people start becoming suspicious and can easily see your trace.

Techno Babble, although was not there it could have been worked on, but its not Traviss style so she will leave it out and let someone else deal with it.

  • 01.12.2012 10:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: prometheus25
Look, I get why you guys are arguing me on this issue. Glasslands is not perfect. But it's definitely not an awful book. Many of the points and counterpoints that were raised on technological hurdles seemingly quickly overcome have merit, but I don't see any of them as absolute. They are, as well as mine, built around assumptions.

I guess I'm just not keen to call Glasslands a bad book when I feel that Cole Protocol and Contact: Harvest were of a lower quality and felt more unlike the FoR and FS (I leave the Forerunner books out of this as they are distinctly unique in the Halo novel series). The writing style of Traviss felt so much more like Nylund's, but I suppose that this is all subjective, anyways.

The point is that Glasslands was not a completely awful book in spite of its many imperfections.

I found Glasslands to be more enjoyable than both Contact Harvest, the Cole Protocol, and the first half of Cryptum (although Primordium starts with phenomenal pacing).

I get it. We're mad that the canon has been skewered slightly, but it is nothing that is fatal to the franchise. We also have to recognize the incredible aspects of Glasslands, such as the characterization of Lucy (no, not including her punch).

I would love to see Nylund return, but we cannot completely condemn a book when it has redeeming qualities.

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
nothing that is fatal to the franchise.


Only because you are seeing it from a worms eye view while not understanding the concepts and the implications of the concepts.You are supporting something that shouldn't not to mention using shadow logic.

  • 01.12.2012 1:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Plasma Prestige
nothing that is fatal to the franchise.


Only because you are seeing it from a worms eye view while not understanding the concepts and the implications of the concepts.You are supporting something that shouldn't not to mention using shadow logic.

I am not condemning the entire book because it had redeeming qualities. You seem to latch on to certain bad qualities and crucify the entire work in question, grey; then you claim that you have a higher level of understanding of the "concepts" at hand.

I admit, and have admitted previously, that the novel has its serious problems, as does Traviss writing for Halo, but you have not had anything good to say about Glasslands to my recollection.

  • 01.12.2012 2:04 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

What if you have nothing good TO say about it? There is nothing there that outweighs the negative aspects of the novel.

[Edited on 01.12.2012 3:32 PM PST]

  • 01.12.2012 3:32 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
What if you have nothing good TO say about it? There is nothing there that outweighs the negative aspects of the novel.
So you didn't like Lucy's development?

  • 01.12.2012 3:45 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: NAStheMagiking

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
What if you have nothing good TO say about it? There is nothing there that outweighs the negative aspects of the novel.
So you didn't like Lucy's development?


The bad outweigh the good. I did like Lucy's sub-plot, but everything else still makes Glasslands absolutely terrible.

  • 01.12.2012 3:48 PM PDT

Oh yeah It's Rayzed.

One explanation I can offer for the Infinity development is Vergil. Oni having an engineer would boost their ability to integrate Forerunner technology much faster than normal. It's a bit more speculative, but much more reasonable.

  • 01.12.2012 4:07 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Raylette
One explanation I can offer for the Infinity development is Vergil. Oni having an engineer would boost their ability to integrate Forerunner technology much faster than normal. It's a bit more speculative, but much more reasonable.


Enough to pretty much create Forerunner weapons and slipspace drives in a matter of a few months?

  • 01.12.2012 4:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: Raylette
One explanation I can offer for the Infinity development is Vergil. Oni having an engineer would boost their ability to integrate Forerunner technology much faster than normal. It's a bit more speculative, but much more reasonable.


Enough to pretty much create Forerunner weapons and slipspace drives in a matter of a few months?

Maybe. They're able to take apart and rebuild machinery in minutes. If it was fully devoted towards building the Infinity then it might have been able to finish in months. I would think that Oni handled anything they were able to do while Vergil built the bulk of the insides.

It's not exactly a perfect explanation, but its food for thought.

  • 01.12.2012 4:16 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Raylette

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Raylette
One explanation I can offer for the Infinity development is Vergil. Oni having an engineer would boost their ability to integrate Forerunner technology much faster than normal. It's a bit more speculative, but much more reasonable.


Enough to pretty much create Forerunner weapons and slipspace drives in a matter of a few months?

Maybe. They're able to take apart and rebuild machinery in minutes. If it was fully devoted towards building the Infinity then it might have been able to finish in months. I would think that Oni handled anything they were able to do while Vergil built the bulk of the insides.

It's not exactly a perfect explanation, but its food for thought.


Even though the Infinity has apparently been under construction for a few years. Even then a single Engineer is not going to make a new ship in like 3 months.

  • 01.12.2012 4:18 PM PDT

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Traviss isn't a good writer for Halo. She doesn't portray the ODSTs or Elites well. She doesn't portray Halsey well and all of a sudden Halsey and Mendez have some major beef for no reason. S-IVs are really thrown in there and is just stupid.


Eric Nylund is the only author for Halo.

  • 01.12.2012 4:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
What if you have nothing good TO say about it? There is nothing there that outweighs the negative aspects of the novel.

If the novel had no redeeming qualities at all then it would not even be worthy of discussion Cobra. I would have thought that you would know to stray from absolutes.

  • 01.12.2012 4:26 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
What if you have nothing good TO say about it? There is nothing there that outweighs the negative aspects of the novel.

If the novel had no redeeming qualities at all then it would not even be worthy of discussion Cobra. I would have thought that you would know to stray from absolutes.


Plenty of discussions about it's faults have been made. Like I said, the bad far outweighs any good the novel brings, thus making it a wreak.

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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Posted by: prometheus25
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1. It makes Halsey look evil.

2. Portrays the Sangheili horribly.

3. Far too much stuff is just added with no explanation.

4. Ending is awful. "And then they all magically find a way out!!! THE END."

5. Almost evrybody in the book suddenly hates Halsey for NO REASON AT ALL.

6. Parangosky's excuse for arresting Halsey is easily the DUMBEST thing I have EVER read.

7. Half of Mendez's dialogue was taking the Lord's name in vain. It was almost every three words. It got quite annoying.


Here's an interesting conundrum: You're OK with a fictional character kidnapping, brainwashing, and subjecting six year olds to war and combat, you don't understand why people hate her when they find out she did this, and you don't understand why she is arrested, but you aren't OK with a fictional character taking the lord's name in vain.

Not trying to pick on your beliefs, just don't see much congruency here.


Had Halsey not done so, humanity probably would have been pretty much destroyed even BEFORE the Covenant arrived. If Halsey hadn't created the SPARTAN II program, then the Covenant would have wiped Humanity out in less than 7 years.

Lets just say that Glasslands should have been written by Nylund and leave it at that, mkay?

[Edited on 01.12.2012 4:58 PM PST]

  • 01.12.2012 4:56 PM PDT

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"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

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Where is the citation for Infinity having weapons? The novel mentioned a slipspace drive which was enhanced for goodness' sake.

  • 01.12.2012 5:06 PM PDT