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Subject: Why all the hate on Glasslands

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Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
1. It makes Halsey look evil.

2. Portrays the Sangheili horribly.

3. Far too much stuff is just added with no explanation.

4. Ending is awful. "And then they all magically find a way out!!! THE END."

5. Almost evrybody in the book suddenly hates Halsey for NO REASON AT ALL.

6. Parangosky's excuse for arresting Halsey is easily the DUMBEST thing I have EVER read.

7. Half of Mendez's dialogue was taking the Lord's name in vain. It was almost every three words. It got quite annoying.


Here's an interesting conundrum: You're OK with a fictional character kidnapping, brainwashing, and subjecting six year olds to war and combat, you don't understand why people hate her when they find out she did this, and you don't understand why she is arrested, but you aren't OK with a fictional character taking the lord's name in vain.

Not trying to pick on your beliefs, just don't see much congruency here.


Had Halsey not done so, humanity probably would have been pretty much destroyed even BEFORE the Covenant arrived. If Halsey hadn't created the SPARTAN II program, then the Covenant would have wiped Humanity out in less than 7 years.

Lets just say that Glasslands should have been written by Nylund and leave it at that, mkay?

It boils down to the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings, doesn't it?

In my opinion, it was pretty barbaric to drop an atomic bomb on hundreds of thousands of civilians; I'm not suggesting it was done for amusement, but I also refuse to believe that it was the only course of action which could have ended World War II.

  • 01.12.2012 5:08 PM PDT


Posted by: Raylette
One explanation I can offer for the Infinity development is Vergil. Oni having an engineer would boost their ability to integrate Forerunner technology much faster than normal. It's a bit more speculative, but much more reasonable.


Here's the rub, Glasslands apparently states Vergil, and all those engineers from the AJ(first strike) don't exsist. I've only heard they reference a single Engineer which they 'have had for years', apparently also referenced in Stomping on the Heels of a fuss.



Posted by: Plasma Prestige

It boils down to the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings, doesn't it?

In my opinion, it was pretty barbaric to drop an atomic bomb on hundreds of thousands of civilians; I'm not suggesting it was done for amusement, but I also refuse to believe that it was the only course of action which could have ended World War II.



Of course, the primary other option was an invasion of Japan which would have resulted in incredible losses for America, as well as the destruction of the Japanese culture as at that time they had been drilled that suicide was better then being captured by the Americans.

We'll never see those guys tried for war crimes/crimes against humanity because they took a bunch of bad options, picked the best of the lot and applied it with the intent to end the war and reduce the death toll.

Just like Halsey, she picked the Spartan project because of the lot of options, she and the admirals agreed it was the best of the bad options.

[Edited on 01.12.2012 5:50 PM PST]

  • 01.12.2012 5:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Raylette
One explanation I can offer for the Infinity development is Vergil. Oni having an engineer would boost their ability to integrate Forerunner technology much faster than normal. It's a bit more speculative, but much more reasonable.


Here's the rub, Glasslands apparently states Vergil, and all those engineers from the AJ(first strike) don't exsist. I've only heard they reference a single Engineer which they 'have had for years', apparently also referenced in Stomping on the Heels of a fuss.


I would imagine that all the engineers would have been destroyed along with the Ascendant Justice. Remember that the Cole Protocol had two parts. Not only were ships supposed to destroy all navigational data if capture was a real possibility, but no Covenant tech was allowed into Human controlled space.

Bringing a Hurogok into Human controlled space would be a high risk for a society that knew so little about them. Of course, we know that it wouldn't have been bad, but we're nearly omniscient, outside viewers.

  • 01.12.2012 5:49 PM PDT


Posted by: prometheus25

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Raylette
One explanation I can offer for the Infinity development is Vergil. Oni having an engineer would boost their ability to integrate Forerunner technology much faster than normal. It's a bit more speculative, but much more reasonable.


Here's the rub, Glasslands apparently states Vergil, and all those engineers from the AJ(first strike) don't exsist. I've only heard they reference a single Engineer which they 'have had for years', apparently also referenced in Stomping on the Heels of a fuss.


I would imagine that all the engineers would have been destroyed along with the Ascendant Justice. Remember that the Cole Protocol had two parts. Not only were ships supposed to destroy all navigational data if capture was a real possibility, but no Covenant tech was allowed into Human controlled space.

Bringing a Hurogok into Human controlled space would be a high risk for a society that knew so little about them. Of course, we know that it wouldn't have been bad, but we're nearly omniscient, outside viewers.


A: It's clearly said they moved ALL surviving engineers from Cortana's air purge into the Gettysburg before the split.
B: They brought a covenant slipspace drive to Earth anyway. And Cortana cleared the Engineers/knew they were harmless. As ranking 'ONI' person left, I doubt she'd just kill them.

  • 01.12.2012 5:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: prometheus25

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Raylette
One explanation I can offer for the Infinity development is Vergil. Oni having an engineer would boost their ability to integrate Forerunner technology much faster than normal. It's a bit more speculative, but much more reasonable.


Here's the rub, Glasslands apparently states Vergil, and all those engineers from the AJ(first strike) don't exsist. I've only heard they reference a single Engineer which they 'have had for years', apparently also referenced in Stomping on the Heels of a fuss.


I would imagine that all the engineers would have been destroyed along with the Ascendant Justice. Remember that the Cole Protocol had two parts. Not only were ships supposed to destroy all navigational data if capture was a real possibility, but no Covenant tech was allowed into Human controlled space.

Bringing a Hurogok into Human controlled space would be a high risk for a society that knew so little about them. Of course, we know that it wouldn't have been bad, but we're nearly omniscient, outside viewers.


A: It's clearly said they moved ALL surviving engineers from Cortana's air purge into the Gettysburg before the split.
B: They brought a covenant slipspace drive to Earth anyway. And Cortana cleared the Engineers/knew they were harmless. As ranking 'ONI' person left, I doubt she'd just kill them.


It's been so long since I've read first strike...

Don't really have an answer for you, I suppose. Perhaps it just slipped through the cracks. A lame excuse, I know, but what are you going to do? Can't really change it.

  • 01.12.2012 5:58 PM PDT

Lol, and the fact the Cole protocols entire point was to keep the Covenant from finding Earth.

By that time they knew full well the Covenant had Earth's location :P.

  • 01.12.2012 6:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Lol, and the fact the Cole protocols entire point was to keep the Covenant from finding Earth.

By that time they knew full well the Covenant had Earth's location :P.


That's pure conjecture.

  • 01.12.2012 6:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Raylette
One explanation I can offer for the Infinity development is Vergil. Oni having an engineer would boost their ability to integrate Forerunner technology much faster than normal. It's a bit more speculative, but much more reasonable.


Enough to pretty much create Forerunner weapons and slipspace drives in a matter of a few months?


Enough to explain the basic to human scientist and a.i's so that they can do it by themself.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: prometheus25

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Lol, and the fact the Cole protocols entire point was to keep the Covenant from finding Earth.

By that time they knew full well the Covenant had Earth's location :P.


That's pure conjecture.


Actually they already knew Earth and reach's location since it was in the luminary. They didn't know humans where there though.

  • 01.12.2012 6:52 PM PDT

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Just to ask i know it states that there was only one engineer with ONI but who states this fact.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: risay_117
Just to ask i know it states that there was only one engineer with ONI but who states this fact.


Was it osman? The engineers have been a tricky number that Karen just bad worse.

There were several if not dozens of engineers at the end of FS that ONI should have received. Now "Stomping on the heels of a fuss" has the ONI spook that broke the engineer language saying that they long had an engineer- this takes place during TFoR.

Now in ODST Dares states they never had an engineer which would make virgil the first despite the ones they should have from FS. Now in Glasslands osman says that ONI got an engineer years ago (This is during halo 3) so she must be talking about the same engineer the other ONI spook was.


So Karen messed up on another subject. I stated that DARE wasn't high on the ONI tier thus she wouldn't know everything. That possible fill was thrown out the window in Glasslands.

  • 01.12.2012 7:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: risay_117
Just to ask i know it states that there was only one engineer with ONI but who states this fact.


Was it osman? The engineers have been a tricky number that Karen just bad worse.

There were several if not dozens of engineers at the end of FS that ONI should have received. Now "Stomping on the heels of a fuss" has the ONI spook that broke the engineer language saying that they long had an engineer- this takes place during TFoR.

Now in ODST Dares states they never had an engineer which would make virgil the first despite the ones they should have from FS. Now in Glasslands osman says that ONI got an engineer years ago (This is during halo 3) so she must be talking about the same engineer the other ONI spook was.


So Karen messed up on another subject. I stated that DARE wasn't high on the ONI tier thus she wouldn't know everything. That possible fill was thrown out the window in Glasslands.

Just to say if it was Osman who said it, and what she thought then it could be that it was hidden from her by Parangosky like infinity was, so that she will act as if humanity had little hope in tech advancement and the importance of even a little help. Or for some other reason.

She may know of Virgil because hey ODST knew about it and they may have told others and word would have spread through the whole ONI organization.

The other engineers maybe were hidden from her by Parangosky so as to not alert her and make her question where are they which may have led her to discover infinity and other secret projects that as of yet are not known by Osman.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I see no reason to hide them from themselves, i understand infinity but not the engineers.

  • 01.12.2012 7:33 PM PDT

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Because they were working there and Osman may have noticed something and may be distracted all the while as to why they were not being used during Halo 3.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: risay_117
Because they were working there and Osman may have noticed something and may be distracted all the while as to why they were not being used during Halo 3.


Osman has nothing to do with it announcing that they had engineers would have been a needed moral boost.

  • 01.12.2012 7:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: Onyx81
Lots of new stuff is mentioned with no explanation.


Have you read any of the earlier books?! It is almost the exact same writing style!

Glasslands was excellent. Just because people had a different personal perspective of the universe doesn't mean it's bad.


Not really. I also like how you think your opinion somehow makes Glasslands excellent.


I like how yours makes it suck. I just got it and haven't read yet

  • 01.12.2012 7:59 PM PDT
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Why would you come into this thread knowing that there would be spoilers?
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: Onyx81
Lots of new stuff is mentioned with no explanation.


Have you read any of the earlier books?! It is almost the exact same writing style!

Glasslands was excellent. Just because people had a different personal perspective of the universe doesn't mean it's bad.


Not really. I also like how you think your opinion somehow makes Glasslands excellent.


I like how yours makes it suck. I just got it and haven't read yet

  • 01.12.2012 8:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: risay_117
Because they were working there and Osman may have noticed something and may be distracted all the while as to why they were not being used during Halo 3.


Osman has nothing to do with it announcing that they had engineers would have been a needed moral boost.

True but hey they may have not gotten other engineers, and maybe infinity was being used as a backup plan if humanity failed so that the renmants can go very far off and start a civilization somewhere else and with engineers can rebuild and strike back with a more deadly force and vengence.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: risay_117

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: risay_117
Because they were working there and Osman may have noticed something and may be distracted all the while as to why they were not being used during Halo 3.


Osman has nothing to do with it announcing that they had engineers would have been a needed moral boost.

True but hey they may have not gotten other engineers, and maybe infinity was being used as a backup plan if humanity failed so that the renmants can go very far off and start a civilization somewhere else and with engineers can rebuild and strike back with a more deadly force and vengence.


That is not the purpose of infinity and you know it. Unless it has a crew of 10-20 thousand (which it doesn't) there is no way it could re-populate humanity. That ship is a prime example of ONI having too much power. The SIIIs could have gotten armor if it wasn't for that damn ship.

  • 01.12.2012 8:45 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: risay_117
Because they were working there and Osman may have noticed something and may be distracted all the while as to why they were not being used during Halo 3.


Osman has nothing to do with it announcing that they had engineers would have been a needed moral boost.

True but hey they may have not gotten other engineers, and maybe infinity was being used as a backup plan if humanity failed so that the renmants can go very far off and start a civilization somewhere else and with engineers can rebuild and strike back with a more deadly force and vengence.


That is not the purpose of infinity and you know it. Unless it has a crew of 10-20 thousand (which it doesn't) there is no way it could re-populate humanity. That ship is a prime example of ONI having too much power. The SIIIs could have gotten armor if it wasn't for that damn ship.


And without a working slipspace drive as they say... it couldn't go anywhere.

Besides, all humanity's leaders were on Earth, so they wouldn't have experienced leadership, scientists, etc.

  • 01.12.2012 9:23 PM PDT

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Aside from all the emotional drama going around during the book, I liked how she portrayed the engineers.

  • 01.13.2012 3:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: prometheus25

Have you read any of the earlier books?! It is almost the exact same writing style!


Don't feed bull-blam!- to him.

First thing, Glassland's writing style is radically different from another novels. Pay attention to other novels closely and you will see the difference.

Second thing, it's your opinion. Remember, your opinion =/= fact.

  • 01.13.2012 5:19 AM PDT

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Pretty sure that anyone who had already read something from Traviss knew that her writing style is focusing on the people.

I enjoyed Glasslands a lot, and yes, there is a lot of things that go unexplained, but it will be a trilogy. Don't see much to discuss like Halo Primordium.

The way she portrayed the Engineers was great, and Lucy for me was the best. Osman is going to become the next ONI Chief, and showing the organization secrets was interesting, even if it's a lot of unexplained -blam!-.

[Edited on 01.13.2012 5:34 AM PST]

  • 01.13.2012 5:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: risay_117

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: risay_117
Because they were working there and Osman may have noticed something and may be distracted all the while as to why they were not being used during Halo 3.


Osman has nothing to do with it announcing that they had engineers would have been a needed moral boost.

True but hey they may have not gotten other engineers, and maybe infinity was being used as a backup plan if humanity failed so that the renmants can go very far off and start a civilization somewhere else and with engineers can rebuild and strike back with a more deadly force and vengence.


That is not the purpose of infinity and you know it. Unless it has a crew of 10-20 thousand (which it doesn't) there is no way it could re-populate humanity. That ship is a prime example of ONI having too much power. The SIIIs could have gotten armor if it wasn't for that damn ship.


And without a working slipspace drive as they say... it couldn't go anywhere.

Besides, all humanity's leaders were on Earth, so they wouldn't have experienced leadership, scientists, etc.

Point taken.

On the moral booster thing i just need to point out that if humanity said it had engineers the covenant would have done strikes on location where engineers are, potential disaster for places making these special weapons or equipments for humanities survival.

Another case could be that after war, engineer if known to be with humans are just going to raise a little suspicion among the elites and former covenant members. They will try to find out how we got it and if desperate stage raids to kidnap them.

  • 01.13.2012 6:25 AM PDT

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Just to say has anyone considered that at the end when the crowd was running away before the blast it was like a terrorist attack. Some one had attacked and everyone ran away.

Maybe some brutes. Now look what happens if Osman goes down, a spartan and ODST come out of her ship which was in the middle of nowhere and go to save Phillips and at the same time neutralize the threat to the public.

Important point a spartan was on sangheilios saving sangheillis from an apparent attack a demon coming to their rescue. Very effective propaganda tool.

What if Parangosky mainly had them do this so that they can if the time is write come in to save the day from an invasion staged by her, to make the brutes to look like rebels. No one would consider it out of the ordinary that a human ship was near sangheilios as they would be protecting the only human on their planet surface.

  • 01.13.2012 6:31 AM PDT