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Halo inside the planet, it certainly would ahve shown up surrounded by a planet when Penitent Tangent activated the hologram that revealed the location of the other Halos, and surely someone would have found it before 2552. This theory, while unique and creative, is jsut not plausible.

Dude It is not penitant Tangent that Activated the Holo map it was 343 Guilty Spark or The Moniter.

  • 05.23.2006 3:46 AM PDT
Subject: The Earth Hides a Halo Under its Crust. ***UPDATED***
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that's a great theory with much background... But a Halo underneath the surface??...the artifact is forerunner that's for sure.

at the and of halo 2, correct me if i'm wrong, one of the monitors told that an unexpected interruption of the detonation of one of the rings would cause a fail safe, so that all the other rings could be remote detonated from The Ark.. isn't that artifact just The Ark, in stead of a whole ring?

Edit: I like the whole mcdonalds theory :P lol

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  • 05.23.2006 4:56 AM PDT
Subject: Solid Evidence The Earth Hides a Halo Under its Crust

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In Halo CE, how does the MC get from the swamps were he meets GS343 into the library? Teleportation. In Halo2, how does Gravemind move the MC and the Arbiter to the starting points for the special missions he wants them to perform?

You cannot teleport something into another solid object, and you cannot teleport something conected to something else.
Again its teleportation. So we have a science fiction universe that we have followed since its development, a universe with objects like plasma pistols, energy swords, particle beams, anti grav fields,
Those are ALL possible in the future, hell I heard they want to start making plasma weapons soon in the moderen military.
5km long capital class space vessels capable of slip space travel, 100,000 year old orbiting ring worlds with habitable synthetic ecosystems with a 10,000kms diameter and super scale weapon systems capable of destroying all sentient life in 25,000 light years in every direction while leaving non sentient life untouched
Those are all iffy, but they're backed up by both scientific evidence that keeps them the way they are, and also it's stated by Bungie (Halo bible) and the novels that your theory cannot hole water.

  • 05.23.2006 5:16 AM PDT
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Cheehwawa
Listen to your self, you say you accept slip-space as possible but not teleportation!? They are in essence one and the same, even you and your big ass Noahs Ark theory would require this same technology other wise your theory is just as improbable as mine. Why? The geography around the town of Voi (The now proven location of the excavated dome structure in the Halo3 trailer) has developed over billions of years of normal geographic movement and as is the case with all the earths crust there simply is no evidence that anyone or anything ever excavated a hole through the earths crust at a depth of over 20kms and over 80kms wide in the last 4 billion years. What you are suggesting is impossible. Now ask yourself how this massive Forerunner Relic got there no matter what it is suppose to be, with out any visible or detectable disturbance to the earths crust at all. I'm sure you will come to some conclusion like "well the Forerunner built the Earth." or something else completely unexplainable. Oh and the dimensions of the excavation are based on Steve Loftus’s measurements from HBO. Just remember each one of those Covenant vessels are over 5.3 kms long.

  • 05.24.2006 3:05 AM PDT

I don't see why the couldn't have burned out a section of the earth where the ring is going to go, then construct within the crust or construct it in space and the slipspace/teleport it to where they want it it to go. After that, they could burry the thing in soil and rock or whatever.

Even if it does turn out HaloEmpire is right, I doubt the construction techniques will be revealed. If you can live long enough during the Heretic boss battle on legendary, Guiltyspark will start telling you how Halo was built, but I doubt something like that will every come up again.

For those of you say it's the Ark, why does that thing have to be the ENTIRE ark. It's just the tip of the surface of an entire Halo shaped object.

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Listen to your self, you say you accept slip-space as possible but not teleportation!? They are in essence one and the same, even you and your big ass Noahs Ark theory would require this same technology other wise your theory is just as improbable as mine. Why? The geography around the town of Voi (The now proven location of the excavated dome structure in the Halo3 trailer) has developed over billions of years of normal geographic movement and as is the case with all the earths crust there simply is no evidence that anyone or anything ever excavated a hole through the earths crust at a depth of over 20kms and over 80kms wide in the last 4 billion years. What you are suggesting is impossible. Now ask yourself how this massive Forerunner Relic got there no matter what it is suppose to be, with out any visible or detectable disturbance to the earths crust at all. I'm sure you will come to some conclusion like "well the Forerunner built the Earth." or something else completely unexplainable. Oh and the dimensions of the excavation are based on Steve Loftus’s measurements from HBO. Just remember each one of those Covenant vessels are over 5.3 kms long.

I never said teleportation was impossible, I said you cannot teleport part of the Earth out of the Earth without bringing something with it.

Who says that's how deep it is? Give proof, I'm just curious as to who said what.

Forerunners didn't build the Earth, Earth is a previous Forerunner Colony/Homeworld.

There's no way to tell how deep it is, it wouldn't need to be too deep, since it just needs to be a control room like in Halo but with the surrounding..system thingies that make it work.

No damage to the crust? Do you see any damage to the crust where dinosaurs are? nope, hundreds of thousands to millions of years cover things lie this up.


Again, Forerunners were not STUPID enough to build a whole Halo under Earth just for one little control room. Also, the things on the bottom only look like the thing on Earth cause they're circular, they don't have the same features.

Just give your theory up..it's not possible, and it's also not probable.

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MLG Cheehwawa

You didn't answer the question! How did it get there Mr Sci Fi

While you are at it you might want to recall what I said two days ago about why it would be a smart thing for the Forerunner to build a Halo super weapon into the Ark and my answer then is the same as it is today. Here is the post from the other day:

"Why would the Forerunner hide a Halo under the Earth? If this Halo and our Earth or Ark were to serve the purpose of being the final bastion in all the galaxy for the Forerunner. And the beings that are threatening the destruction of the Forerunner (the Flood) are capable of sentience as well (Gravemind and Keyes). And are contained within the very structure designed to both contain and study them. And should they ever escape, starve them. It would of been extremely short sighted on the part of the Forerunner to not build a containment field and weapon system into the very stronghold they intend to make their last stand in if ever the unthinkable happened.

For example we have an out break of Flood on Halo 04, the consequence of this is the evolution of a particular Flood form into the Keyes pilot Flood form who many think, evolves over time into Gravemind. It seems that Keyes was selected because of his navigational knowledge and abilities, After all he is a Career Captain for the UNSC If this being has access to the teleportation systems of the Halos as seen in Halo2 and the ability to order an army of Flood around to do his biding in an almost telepathic attempt to pre-empt the movements of the Master Chief as we read in “The Flood” and again see in Halo2, This Flood form could in theory also use its sentience to systematically take all the systems that the Halo’s firing sequence relies upon off line.

In Halo CE the Flood’s plan and priorities were clear. Firstly to destroy and absorb all sentient opposition. Secondly to achieve a level of sentience in order disable the Halo. Thirdly to commandeer a slip-space capable vessel in order to repeat this process on the other Halos as the Flood and definitely Gravemind seem to know that no one on any of the other Halos. Except for the human reclaimers have the authority to activate the ring worlds and ultimately starve them. If this were to of happened the Flood would of eventually made their way to Earth with all the Halo’s offline, and infected our world as well. Though as far we now know the Master Chief spoiled this plan. Although if there were no Master Chief and the Flood commenced this very logical plan of self preservation, what good is a control room or an Ark for that matter when there is no sentient specific super weapon system for it to control.

Here in lies the reason I believe this dome structure is a part of a Halo and what we are seeing activated is a shield system that serves the purpose of protecting those with in the hidden Halo under our Earth from the effects of both our Halo and the remaining functional Halo’s firing effects. Also I believe the activation of a containment field so as to prohibit the contamination of our entire planet by the Flood is essential so that the survivors can return to an uninfected Earth after the Floods starvation. It really is that simple, anything else would be like sitting in a bomb shelter knowing your enemies are out there and looking for you and nothing but their own starvation is going to stop their search, and all you have is cans of baked beans, fresh water, warm clothes, a radio, holographic wall displays, artificial habitats, and other modern connivances that might make life comfortable, but no weapons or anything at all effective to defend yourself with from this unstoppable enemy. That sounds a lot like stupidity to me and I don’t think the Forerunner were stupid."

So MLG Cheehwawa seriously, answer this question: Why build a super weapon network to study, contain and starve a life form that once has achieved sentience, has proven its ability to develop priorities to destroy the said super weapon network, secondly to escape said containment system only to repeat the process to all weapon systems. Then while all weapons are off line they ultimately move to the location of the control room for the previously mentioned weapon system that now has no weapons associated with it?

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- Never read all of the post, but I'll just respond according to the title.

Of course it's a Halo, or an 'Ark' ... or something that has to do with the Forerunners. Because in Halo 2, the Covenant never thought humans would be on Earth, which makes me think they were looking for something, and they just happened to find the humans home world. Prehaps they found something that led them to earth, like an ancient artifact that was a type of map... or whatever those map things were in the books. Either way, I think they were looking for something on Earth, and never thought that it was the humans home world.

Just a thought. o O

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also they cant destroy ALL the flood, (there is support at halo.bungie.org) one because they dont reach the approximate are of the galaxy, and two one halo is destroyed so they can take over any life in that radius of installation 04

but i think it would be cool if that was a shield of some sort and the humans and covenant got together and waited it out and worked together

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I still think the elites will work with humans in 3.

  • 05.24.2006 1:57 PM PDT

I'm sorry I didn't read all the pages but I have a theory that what it really is, is the arc, and yes this theory is based upon 343 Guilty Spark saying that's what it was. Haha, I'm taking a guess here but the arc is most likely just like a control room that is connected to all the Halos.

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I haven't read all of this, but i have my own theory.
I apologise in advance if this has already been mentioned.

1.The object in the trailer isn't a halo. It is the ark, which is shaped more like a diamond. I think this because at the end of halo 2, all the holographic halos that keyes asks to be shown, move to reveal a diamond shaped "beacon".
2.I also think that when the beacon is triggered, the halos are "summoned" and will form around earth (Don't know whether they'll fit, i doubt it but if not then maybe they'll just form near earth). This, in turn, would lead to Cortana, Arbiter and Johnson returning (a point i haven't seen yet).
3.I think this could lead to a great gameplay element, the chief in a race against time to shut off the beacon before the halos arrive at earth. Obviously the game wouldn't be timed ,(That would be stupid), but more every end of level cutscene you would see how close the halos are to earth.

Let me know what you all think.

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Posted by: trev000
I haven't read all of this, but i have my own theory.
I apologise in advance if this has already been mentioned.

1.The object in the trailer isn't a halo. It is the ark, which is shaped more like a diamond. I think this because at the end of halo 2, all the holographic halos that keyes asks to be shown, move to reveal a diamond shaped "beacon".
2.I also think that when the beacon is triggered, the halos are "summoned" and will form around earth (Don't know whether they'll fit, i doubt it but if not then maybe they'll just form near earth). This, in turn, would lead to Cortana, Arbiter and Johnson returning (a point i haven't seen yet).
3.I think this could lead to a great gameplay element, the chief in a race against time to shut off the beacon before the halos arrive at earth. Obviously the game wouldn't be timed ,(That would be stupid), but more every end of level cutscene you would see how close the halos are to earth.

Let me know what you all think.


The "doomed object" as bungie likes to call it is in fact possibly not the ark. The doomed object being the ark is just one common THEORY

  • 05.24.2006 2:39 PM PDT

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MLG Cheehwawa

You didn't answer the question! How did it get there Mr Sci Fi

They found a Canyon (or made one via explosives, then built it like we would build an office building. Then, it gets covered up over time by the winds carrying sand, and general build up of soil and such that generally happens over hundreds of thousands of years.

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Also dude, the Ark isn't a weapon, it is capable of damage, but only by activating the other rings, if and ONLY if they go into standby mode, otherwise they can only be activated from a Halo (like we saw in Halo 2) The thing you saw shooting out was either a "stop" signal or a "go" signal, much like the thing we saw at the end of Halo 2.

You goto the Ark to finish the job, or cancel it alltogether. Your theory = poo

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Posted by: trev000
I haven't read all of this, but i have my own theory.
I apologise in advance if this has already been mentioned.

1.The object in the trailer isn't a halo. It is the ark, which is shaped more like a diamond. I think this because at the end of halo 2, all the holographic halos that keyes asks to be shown, move to reveal a diamond shaped "beacon".
2.I also think that when the beacon is triggered, the halos are "summoned" and will form around earth (Don't know whether they'll fit, i doubt it but if not then maybe they'll just form near earth). This, in turn, would lead to Cortana, Arbiter and Johnson returning (a point i haven't seen yet).
3.I think this could lead to a great gameplay element, the chief in a race against time to shut off the beacon before the halos arrive at earth. Obviously the game wouldn't be timed ,(That would be stupid), but more every end of level cutscene you would see how close the halos are to earth.

Let me know what you all think.


The "doomed object" as bungie likes to call it is in fact possibly not the ark. The doomed object being the ark is just one common THEORY


I agree, the thing on earth is not necessarily a halo or the Ark. When the Arbiter asks Guilty Spark where the Ark is, we don't hear the answer we just see the Earth and we all asssume that it is the Ark. Another thing is that in First Strike, in the ned when the Covenant have built the Unyielding Hierophant there are 500+ ships around it. Cortana intercepts covenant orders that order ships to gather here and that the final destination is the earth. If they don't know that the human homeworld is the earth why such a huge fleet?
I wonder if the prophet who gets to earth in the beginning of Halo 2 was going to meet the fleet or something and so was surprised that it wasn't there. This has holes I know and not really sure I even agree with it, I'm just kinda thinking out loud. Also in the Fall of Reach a little covenant probe attaches itself to Captain Keyes ship The Iroquois after a battle that will record all the travels of the ship. What if other ships have gotten these things and that is how they found out about earth? Plus, at the very end of First Strike, Brutus is talking to the prophet who says that the destruction of the fleet was "only a minor setback." What does that mean? Well I'm done for now. Hope I haven't been repeating stuff.

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Posted by: trev000
I haven't read all of this, but i have my own theory.
I apologise in advance if this has already been mentioned.

1.The object in the trailer isn't a halo. It is the ark, which is shaped more like a diamond. I think this because at the end of halo 2, all the holographic halos that keyes asks to be shown, move to reveal a diamond shaped "beacon".
2.I also think that when the beacon is triggered, the halos are "summoned" and will form around earth (Don't know whether they'll fit, i doubt it but if not then maybe they'll just form near earth). This, in turn, would lead to Cortana, Arbiter and Johnson returning (a point i haven't seen yet).
3.I think this could lead to a great gameplay element, the chief in a race against time to shut off the beacon before the halos arrive at earth. Obviously the game wouldn't be timed ,(That would be stupid), but more every end of level cutscene you would see how close the halos are to earth.

Let me know what you all think.


The "doomed object" as bungie likes to call it is in fact possibly not the ark. The doomed object being the ark is just one common THEORY


I agree, the thing on earth is not necessarily a halo or the Ark. When the Arbiter asks Guilty Spark where the Ark is, we don't hear the answer we just see the Earth and we all asssume that it is the Ark. Another thing is that in First Strike, in the ned when the Covenant have built the Unyielding Hierophant there are 500+ ships around it. Cortana intercepts covenant orders that order ships to gather here and that the final destination is the earth. If they don't know that the human homeworld is the earth why such a huge fleet?
I wonder if the prophet who gets to earth in the beginning of Halo 2 was going to meet the fleet or something and so was surprised that it wasn't there. This has holes I know and not really sure I even agree with it, I'm just kinda thinking out loud. Also in the Fall of Reach a little covenant probe attaches itself to Captain Keyes ship The Iroquois after a battle that will record all the travels of the ship. What if other ships have gotten these things and that is how they found out about earth? Plus, at the very end of First Strike, Brutus is talking to the prophet who says that the destruction of the fleet was "only a minor setback." What does that mean? Well I'm done for now. Hope I haven't been repeating stuff.

Remembe what the deal is? They are all promised to go on the great jorney if they are in the covenant, so they were most likely trying to get as many people there so they could get underway sooner.

Also, the thing on the Iriquois didn't really do much since they already knew REACH's location and they didn't go back to Earth in that thing..

I'm guessing they found the location of Earth from a crystal similar to the one on Cot'd Azur (sp?) that led the to REACH (also location of a Forerunner artifact)..

The 'minor setback' was most likely because the Prophet's don't give a damn about the Covenant, they just want power - and as long as they're alive they will do whatever possible to get there, wether they have 15 ships going into a seemingly uninhabited planet, or it being 500 ships doing the same thing..

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In Halo CE, how does the MC get from the swamps were he meets GS343 into the library? Teleportation. In Halo2, how does Gravemind move the MC and the Arbiter to the starting points for the special missions he wants them to perform? Again its teleportation. So we have a science fiction universe that we have followed since its development, a universe with objects like plasma pistols, energy swords, particle beams, anti grav fields, 5km long capital class space vessels capable of slip space travel, 100,000 year old orbiting ring worlds with habitable synthetic ecosystems with a 10,000kms diameter and super scale weapon systems capable of destroying all sentient life in 25,000 light years in every direction while leaving non sentient life untouched and you are telling me that this same universe doesn’t even have something so simple for a science fiction audience to comprehend that they even featured it back in the 60,s on star trek?


"slip space matter exchange" is not the same as teleportation. You described it as simultaneously slip-spacing a Halo into earth while slip spacing the gravel, dirt, crust, etc. out of the planet. Not only would the biological and geological effects of teleporting that volume of the crust, tectonic plates, etc. out of the planet be devastating to the ecology of earth, the ateroid belt (which you claim is where it all went) is not even made up of the same material. Your theory is creative and I applaud you for that and for having the courage to put it in such scrutinizing, critical forums; but it is not possible. Don't just think about the sci-fi aspect of it, also think of the realistic aspect of it.

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10,000kms from inner rim to inner rim + 22.3x2 for the Halo's structural thickness = 10,044.6kms. Still fits inside Earths diameter.

how do u no that?

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do not write SOOOOOOOOOOO much

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but when it opens it seemes so much bigger than a Halo Ring

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No one knows what was in the trailer. But how can there be so many guesses when there is no proof of what it is. The scarab gun is the stupidist idea i heard, but the arc makes sense. Many of you believe that the thing we saw was a halo because of its circular shape. Does anyone know what an arc is? It is a segment of a circle, therefore wouldnt it make sense that the arc is a circle or similar to one. Its wierd that a halo is a ring and the thing that controls these rings are arcs...segments of a circle. If so this would rule out the theory that the arc is shaped like a diamond

Also an arc is defined as a sustained luminous discharge of electricity across a gap in a circuit or between electrodes. Then there is no doubt that the arc controls the Halos. Maybe the thing we saw in the trailer at the end was a signal...maybe the halos had been activated.

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earth's diamater is roughly 12,753 km, and assuming that the crust is only about 100km deep, theres a lot of room to fit a circle in there... pic http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/graphics/FigS1



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Posted by: cbgamefreak64
OK PEOPLE

idk if this has already been said (caus i havent read all 22 pages) but that thing undergound is the arc on earth
if you have the halo 2 collecters edition in the extra content there are pix... one has a sketch of the same thing and it says on it "arc on earth" so im pretty sure its the arc

also i found something in the trailer... the banshees have no piolets if you stop on the exact second those banshees fly by there are no feet sticking out of the banshees like u can ususally see during halo 2. unless theres some type of new developement or the piolets are invisible thereis noone flying those banshees


Every single one of those sentences have been said. Some of them 5 or 6 times.

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