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After reading Primordium it all makes sense. Why John is so "lucky" and how he has an unexplained ability to manipulate Forerunner technology. A "Geas" was imprinted on a distant ancestor and probably through the SPARTAN augmentation process activated the latent "ghosts" within his genetic code. But what if one of the ghosts in his mind wasn't human--but Forerunner--say, the Didact? The Didact was a warrior-servant after all and fighting is what John does best. So it would make sense that he would use John as his vessel. Also if the Librarian is still alive, she'd want her husband back. That would mean harvesting John (killing him in the process). The key to this theory goes all the way back to a cutscene in Halo: CE. The cutscene at the beginning of the level "Two Betrayals" (pay attention to the name) when the Chief and the Monitor teleport to the Control Room and Chief looks around like he's been there before and probably has (his Other anyway). And to conclude, the Monitor asks Chief genuinely bewildered why he "would hesitate to do what he had already done?" After reading Primordium, the Monitor is clearly addressing a ghost from John's geas. Anyway the Forerunner trilogy isnt complete yet so there may be more to the story. Like I said just harmless and idle speculation. Any compelling thoughts?

  • 01.12.2012 7:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

I always thought something weird of that quote from the monitor in Halo CE, but never really gave it much more thought.

I like the theory. I guess we shall see if it's true at the end of the trilogy. I'm sure Halo 4 and the sequels would give more info on this, if turned out to be true.

  • 01.12.2012 7:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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The Librarian is "alive" through a Gea and it seems the same for The Didact or that he did another brevet mutation on a young forerunner that was put in a slipspace pod.
There is similarity between the two that should even have you think this idea. It is based on the premise "John is good at fighting, The Didact fought, thus john must be the Didact" Which is incorrect.

Not to mention The Didact didn't believe in "luck" which is John's main trait. Greg implied that chakas is the ancestor to the spartans, They just have forerunner Gea that lets them use forerunner tech.

  • 01.12.2012 7:25 AM PDT
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Wow...thats a great work you have done there.

But i dont remember john saying anything about him believing luck.
It was all cortana not john himself grey.

[Edited on 01.12.2012 7:29 AM PST]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: FTW 1997
Wow...thats a great work you have done there.

But i dont remember john saying anything about him believing luck.
It was all cortana not john himself grey.

No,... John acknowledges his luck in every single novel he is the main character in. Re-Read "The Flood" when he is going through the library scared as hell and talking about how lucky he was that the sentinel saved him several times.

  • 01.12.2012 7:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: FTW 1997
Wow...thats a great work you have done there.

But i dont remember john saying anything about him believing luck.
It was all cortana not john himself grey.

No,... John acknowledges his luck in every single novel he is the main character in. Re-Read "The Flood" when he is going through the library scared as hell and talking about how lucky he was that the sentinel saved him several times.

Plus John is not some great tactician, as the didact was he is more of a fighter, if anyone is to be like the Didact it would be Kurt, who could have carried if humans are allowed to Frothenco's gea.

  • 01.12.2012 7:54 AM PDT

@ the guys against the luck thing. That's what I meant. It is not luck but rather the tactical knowledge gleaned from his geas ghost...a bleeding effect if you will (a la Assassin's Creed). Except these arent passive memories. The ancestors are very much alive and conscious in John's subconcsious. Get me? They subtly drive him without making an overt presence. Not yet anyway. I'm sure the reveal in Halo 4 is gonna be epic and I can't wait. And as for the didact being a strategic mastermind nd chief being a simple soldier is irrelevant. They were both unwilling (by Didact im referring to Bornstellar) but have been chosen for a special plan within the scheme of time and space itself. Ever read William Shakespeare? "Some men are born great; others achieve greatness. And some men have greatness thrust upon them." Also there are other Halos so the Flood threat is far from over.

  • 01.12.2012 9:54 AM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.

Mc and the librain are going to get it on.

  • 01.12.2012 10:05 AM PDT

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Bornsteller is no more he does not exist except in memory, his body was taken over by Didact, which is why Bornsteller could not have done anything in the war.

This is why i believe MC is not really a tactician, he is more or less a warrior, does not really know how to strategically place and attack but follows orders and does what he can with his resources. His planning are based on small conflict isolated system not on huge naval based warfare.

If anyone has didact type of thinking and ghost awakened it will be Cole. As he is the only one to show this smartness, or his wife as a matter of fact.

Shakespeares quote can be placed on any idea or situation.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Bornsteller is no more he does not exist except in memory, his body was taken over by Didact, which is why Bornsteller could not have done anything in the war.

This is why i believe MC is not really a tactician, he is more or less a warrior, does not really know how to strategically place and attack but follows orders and does what he can with his resources. His planning are based on small conflict isolated system not on huge naval based warfare.

If anyone has didact type of thinking and ghost awakened it will be Cole. As he is the only one to show this smartness, or his wife as a matter of fact.

Shakespeares quote can be placed on any idea or situation.


Actually bornstellar is more present than you think. Noticed how The Didact exclaimed when he found chakas, riser and stated how they were together again? That was bornstellar, The Didact had no connection to them. And MC is a soldier not a warrior.

And i hope that would be a Forthencho Gea, i don't want every important human having a Forerunner Gea.

  • 01.12.2012 10:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: risay_117
Bornsteller is no more he does not exist except in memory, his body was taken over by Didact, which is why Bornsteller could not have done anything in the war.

This is why i believe MC is not really a tactician, he is more or less a warrior, does not really know how to strategically place and attack but follows orders and does what he can with his resources. His planning are based on small conflict isolated system not on huge naval based warfare.

If anyone has didact type of thinking and ghost awakened it will be Cole. As he is the only one to show this smartness, or his wife as a matter of fact.

Shakespeares quote can be placed on any idea or situation.


Actually bornstellar is more present than you think. Noticed how The Didact exclaimed when he found chakas, riser and stated how they were together again? That was bornstellar, The Didact had no connection to them. And MC is a soldier not a warrior.

And i hope that would be a Forthencho Gea, i don't want every important human having a Forerunner Gea.


true but it more or less i have a feeling affects his opinions and character, he is now alot different, maybe due to the two mentalities.

Bornsteller could have become the basic building block for didact to build his character on so his reaction will be really different from that of the Old didact.

Yeah i know he is a soldier, but what i meant was that he was more of a guy with strength and a great soldier in the battlefield a hero and a legend, who fought his enemies, not a hero who out maneuvered and placed his troops in a way to be more effective against the enemy and win the battle.

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  • 01.12.2012 10:19 AM PDT

@ risay. Was the devolved Chakas an ideal vessel for the Lord of Admirals, commander of all human fleets? nO. In fact that was the whole point. To disguise the true geniuses under the most unlikely of individuals. And Bornstellar is still in there. Maybe he has been supercompressed in the deppest confines of the Didact's subconscious...but I'm sure he's there. The only way to delete a ghost is with the Composer or death (which will kill the host and all subsequent iterations of the ghosts unless the copulated and passed on the genetic material). And a soldier is a tactician because tactics are a method of short term fighting. Really risay?

  • 01.12.2012 10:20 AM PDT

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Do you actually know what an ideal vessel is, only the librarian knows and we have no clue, it was not based on randomness.

Soldier being a tactician, for how to deal with an isolated conflict in a huge battle, had i believe no way of dealing with where troops should be sent in the grand scheme of things or plan like Cole did in any naval warfare. His tactics are more small scale, that is why i did not call him a tactician but a soldier.

Strategist is what i should have used. Although one thing i have not noticed is whether the Didact personally ever was on the battlefield fighting against enemies, he looked more like the guy who sat in the command center and moved troops and planned maneuvers.

  • 01.12.2012 10:24 AM PDT

thats the thing about the Forerunners. they dont have a navy, army, or air force. they have a uniform warrior-servant system; in effect all under this class are proficient in ALL forms of combat. The Didact is simply the best of the best of the best. as for the librarian...maybe she's in halsey. imean they both have an extreme maternal side and want to see their species live. and theyll do anything to preserve them. lets not forget also her almost fanatical reverance with john. john/didact, halsey/librarian (ipso facto cortana/librarian?). maybe?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: brokeneagle77
maybe she's in halsey.


I thought that was blatantly obvious.

  • 01.12.2012 10:57 AM PDT

@ grey. youd be surprised at how many people would give up confused and get angry after the first sentence of my original post. like most people after seeing the matrix for the first time more than ten years back. too much to process for their lttle minds. much less pondering metaphysics and time-delayed messages encoded in your genetic structure. this is stuff that will give way to more complex theories and we'll be that much closer to the truth. what truth? About existence itself. there is after all only one answer but many, many more theories.

  • 01.12.2012 11:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: brokeneagle77
thats the thing about the Forerunners. they dont have a navy, army, or air force. they have a uniform warrior-servant system; in effect all under this class are proficient in ALL forms of combat. The Didact is simply the best of the best of the best.


Why this happens is cause they live for thousands of years, they grow in to adult in lest than 100 years, and can learn everything in 500 years or so, the rest of their life is based on experience depending on where you end up.

Didact may have been the best of the best, but to get up there you do not need simple thinking and how to fight in certain areas you need to think in large scales, and many strategies. Spartans are smart true but they never knew how to fight in a huge battle scenario.

Plus i do not think Didact will allow his gea to be in humans as the info humanity will get may be too dangerous as the risk of humanity using them against the forerunners still exists.

as for the librarian...maybe she's in halsey. imean they both have an extreme maternal side and want to see their species live. and theyll do anything to preserve them. lets not forget also her almost fanatical reverance with john. john/didact, halsey/librarian (ipso facto cortana/librarian?). maybe?
This is very probable, but who know it may not be true and maybe she stores the Master Builders tendency to take over projects and build new things of great power out of them. Still it is more likely she has the Librarian gea in her, and the Master Builder is believed to be dead and its not possible for his gea to still exist.

Librarian and Halsey love is i do not know really hard to understant it may be from a different reason than Cortana's or Halsey love to John. Still there is a likelyhood there.

  • 01.12.2012 11:13 AM PDT

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My main disagreement is that should MC really have Didact thinking, why not someone else, it just that their fighting and where they existed in the battle was totally different. Didact being more like Cole while MC is more like one of the Sphinx or Bornsteller, adventurous.

  • 01.12.2012 11:16 AM PDT

it has NOTHING to do with personalities. and ill give you a hypotheical situation. you and a handful of others are the last of your race. if you had the ability to transfer your conciousness to lets say--your former enemy would you do it? its benefits are two fold. first, it buys you time and maybe later (hudreds of millenia later maybe) find a way to restore your species. AND who is the greatest teacher of all? your enemy of course. you can learn much from them; their strengths and weaknessess...
Maybe though they realize theve had their time in the sun and want the humans to assume the Mantle and save whats left of life? hmm? your greatest enemy may also be your greatest friend. life is often rife with such irony.

  • 01.12.2012 11:28 AM PDT

could this be the story line to Halo 4? :)

  • 01.12.2012 12:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: brokeneagle77
After reading Primordium it all makes sense.


We'll see.

Why John is so "lucky" and how he has an unexplained ability to manipulate Forerunner technology.

All humans who have had contact with Forerunner technology could manipulate it, Chief isn't the exception.

A "Geas" was imprinted on a distant ancestor and probably through the SPARTAN augmentation process activated the latent "ghosts" within his genetic code.

The "ghosts" die with their host, for example Gamelpar's "ghost". John can't have a "ghost" passed down from an ancestor because they aren't passed down.


But what if one of the ghosts in his mind wasn't human--but Forerunner--say, the Didact?

Proof/evidence showing a Forerunner essence can be planted in a human.

The Didact was a warrior-servant after all and fighting is what John does best.

The Didact seemed to have more of a "commander" type role, not a straight up fighter.

So it would make sense that he would use John as his vessel.

Even though you have no evidence even hinting a Forerunner could be imprinted in a human. That and there is evidence pointing that the Didact is still alive.

Also if the Librarian is still alive, she'd want her husband back. That would mean harvesting John (killing him in the process).

The Didact may still already be alive.

The key to this theory goes all the way back to a cutscene in Halo: CE. The cutscene at the beginning of the level "Two Betrayals" (pay attention to the name) when the Chief and the Monitor teleport to the Control Room and Chief looks around like he's been there before and probably has (his Other anyway).

Or he was confused and looking to see where he was.

And to conclude, the Monitor asks Chief genuinely bewildered why he "would hesitate to do what he had already done?"

Because Spark is crazy. Nobody really gets what Spark was getting at here.

After reading Primordium, the Monitor is clearly addressing a ghost from John's geas.

So where is the "ghost"?

Anyway the Forerunner trilogy isnt complete yet so there may be more to the story. Like I said just harmless and idle speculation. Any compelling thoughts?

Yeah, this theory doesn't sound very good.

  • 01.12.2012 3:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
[quote]Posted by: brokeneagle77

[quote]And to conclude, the Monitor asks Chief genuinely bewildered why he "would hesitate to do what he had already done?"


Because Spark is crazy. Nobody really gets what Spark was getting at here.



Oh come on, he is obviously referring to the fact john is a bipedal sentient, inheritor of all they left behind.


And if not that, then the fact that John had started the process already and Cortana stopped it. You know, seconds earlier.

  • 01.12.2012 3:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
[quote]Posted by: brokeneagle77

[quote]And to conclude, the Monitor asks Chief genuinely bewildered why he "would hesitate to do what he had already done?"


Because Spark is crazy. Nobody really gets what Spark was getting at here.



Oh come on, he is obviously referring to the fact john is a bipedal sentient, inheritor of all they left behind.


And if not that, then the fact that John had started the process already and Cortana stopped it. You know, seconds earlier.


I was referring to Spark's "Last time you asked me" line.

  • 01.12.2012 4:10 PM PDT

yas334229812

Also anything from CE was not based on this modern story, we cannot make assumption from former games as these ideas were not there but now are there.

  • 01.12.2012 7:02 PM PDT