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Subject: When you first saw Halo, were you blinded by its majesty?
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Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
So does this mean Bungie simply didn't try hard enough with Reach?
Not at all. I actually admire the work they put into the game. It's just not what the large part of the community wanted out of it. It's the community that could get their hands on it that could make it better. Make it specialized for the specific group that wants it.

When you make a triple A game you can't give the game its full potential for competitive or casual play. If you want it to sell it has to appeal to both markets reasonably. The problem is you can't have an extremely competitive game and an extremely casual game. You have to make it decent in both. That's where modders come in to adjust things for both parties:

You give Halo: Combat Evolved to me, someone who could even barely be considered a modder in all honesty, and I start to think about certain things that I've learned over the years of playing Halo: Combat Evolved. I have many thoughts about the game in a competitive way that Bungie never even had the time to think of when developing the game to begin with. That's where I start to modify things in it for my "Halo ProMod". While it's an extremely modest attempt, I can still make major changes to things like skill gap. If I was like the real modders out there I could do far more with it.

At the very same time, there would be another guy who has been playing for a long time as well. All he really cares about is fun. What does he do? Well, what he does is make a mod where the warthog flies like a pelican. He makes a mod where the pistol shoots tank shells like an assault rifle and sends you flying around the map at the speed of light without killing you.

These two examples are of very modest modders. Entry level. There are so many possibilities when you get to the people who really know what they're doing. In the past there have been major hit games that have come from mods as I've mentioned before. It's an amazing world that I think every single game should allow for. It's sad that developers in the modern gaming industry are trying to get rid of it completely instead of utilizing it to their advantage like it used to be.
Well, wow, when you put it that way, Reach could have benefited from modding.

It's just a shame that Xbox 360 modding is so inconvenient. I mean there's the modding program Liberty but that's only scratching the surface. The jtag dev stuff is where the potential really is but I have yet to see actual campaign mods with gameplay in mind, most of them being for fun or just tests.

I've only found people interested in making campaign gameplay better in CE. It's noticeably missing in H3 and Reach. You don't by any chance know a video of a H2 mod that tried to improve some things do you?

  • 01.13.2012 1:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sliding Ghost
You don't by any chance know a video of a H2 mod that tried to improve some things do you?
Sadly enough I was never into Halo 2 modding :/

They did have quite a few maps on Custom Edition that altered the multiplayer. You have things like Coldsnap that essentially make it into a completely different game. There's also h2/h3 maps. Mind you they're pretty bad for the most part, but I credit that to bad tools and a community that wasn't that great at modding at the time. :P H3 Sandtrap is great, though.

Edit: The "Pretty bad" comment was directed towards the h2/h3 maps. Coldsnap was epic. xD

[Edited on 01.13.2012 7:37 AM PST]

  • 01.13.2012 7:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: Grumpy1
I was awesomized by the trailer where the Pelican crashed in OS and I saw an H2 Elite for the first time.


Lol, I saw that after i played Halo 2 and said "well where did that go!?"

OP the first Halo i played was H2 MP, and i sucked at it. I didn't get interested in Halo until i got Halo Ce for PC.

  • 01.13.2012 11:35 AM PDT


Posted by: Chief077

Posted by: Grumpy1
I was awesomized by the trailer where the Pelican crashed in OS and I saw an H2 Elite for the first time.


Lol, I saw that after i played Halo 2 and said "well where did that go!?"

OP the first Halo i played was H2 MP, and i sucked at it. I didn't get interested in Halo until i got Halo Ce for PC.
Yeah, here's the one...it was from the MP pack:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CUoi3q3DRg&feature=relate d

Heh heh, and the Elite was killed with the noob combo.

[Edited on 01.13.2012 12:12 PM PST]

  • 01.13.2012 12:09 PM PDT


Posted by: Grumpy1

Posted by: Chief077

Posted by: Grumpy1
I was awesomized by the trailer where the Pelican crashed in OS and I saw an H2 Elite for the first time.


Lol, I saw that after i played Halo 2 and said "well where did that go!?"

OP the first Halo i played was H2 MP, and i sucked at it. I didn't get interested in Halo until i got Halo Ce for PC.
Yeah, here's the one...it was from the MP pack:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CUoi3q3DRg&feature=relate d

Heh heh, and the Elite was killed with the noob combo.

I remember watching the sound check and wondering what the point of a grunt screaming directions was lol.

  • 01.13.2012 12:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: Chief077

Posted by: Grumpy1
I was awesomized by the trailer where the Pelican crashed in OS and I saw an H2 Elite for the first time.


Lol, I saw that after i played Halo 2 and said "well where did that go!?"

OP the first Halo i played was H2 MP, and i sucked at it. I didn't get interested in Halo until i got Halo Ce for PC.
Yeah, here's the one...it was from the MP pack:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CUoi3q3DRg&feature=relate d

Heh heh, and the Elite was killed with the noob combo.


Yeah that's the one lol. By this you know what happened to those ODST's.

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Posted by: Sliding Ghost
So does this mean Bungie simply didn't try hard enough with Reach?
you might be on to something, seeing as it was the last game in the franchise to be made by them, they probably didn't give it 100%

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Posted by: A_K_A_I_N_U_
I was only a little blinded.

  • 01.13.2012 2:38 PM PDT

When I first played CE back in '03 I was pretty impressed with it. Since it was the first shooter I ever played I was pretty blown away with how cool it was. Then I discovered a little option at the main menu of CE that said "Extras" and then saw the Halo 2 E3 announcement trailer. I went out a little later and pre-ordered my first game.

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