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Posted by: Johiden
Hmmm.. Dr. Halsey.. details... Where in H2?
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It wasn't Dr. Halsey, it was Gravemind.

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Posted by: fiehc retsam
I think It's Halsey. In the trailer she says "I am your shield, your sword"(according to the Bungie team). However, she seems to say "I am your shield, your source". Halsey made John into what he is today, Spartan 113. She discovered him and is his "source".

It is shield and umm Master Chief is the 117th spartan.

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get out. its blatantly "sword", the other "s" syllable on the end is from the echo.

and as for the light in the visor, it moves up the cheifs helmet as he moves his head. any transmission light would move with the movement of his head.

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get out. its blatantly "sword", the other "s" syllable on the end is from the echo.

and as for the light in the visor, it moves up the cheifs helmet as he moves his head. any transmission light would move with the movement of his head.

Actually the light flashed, went away and Master Chief turned his head.

  • 05.13.2006 2:27 PM PDT

After she says sword, she repeats sword in a whisper. Thats why everyone is debating over it. Use headphones when watching the trailer and u will see.

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After she says sword, she repeats sword in a whisper. Thats why everyone is debating over it. Use headphones when watching the trailer and u will see.

I do not deny it I believe you, but what is the relavence of her saying it wice or even any importance?

  • 05.13.2006 2:29 PM PDT
Subject: Speculation/Theory: Thats not Cortana, its Dr.Hasley...*Update # 3*
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Update #3: A convo between myself and an anonymous user:

"In relation to your update number two--

there is lightning flashing, there is no light flashing INSIDE john;s helmet, its LIGHTING FROM TEH VORTEX...

Please put this under that unpade number two, it makes no sense to be able to see whast going on INSIDE his helmet...

Think of it, MC is in a dark room stalking an Elite, then, as Linda flashes her light to MC to tell him she will take him out, BAM the elite sees the flicker behind him from that light inside MC's head and kills him



Cmon, this is the 26th century, i htink they have found out how to make Combat Visors Opaque by now..."

I will if we debate a little more. Now, true it would not show on the outside but perhaps this was given to us by Bungie no? Also it is probably not lightning for these reasons:
1.) He turns his head before the banshees noise can be heard indicating that he looked over because of the light flahing in his visor. These lights were used as comunication and they always appeared in the top right of the helmet.

Um, no. I can hear the banshee's at 1:13. He doesn't turn his head untill 1:15.

2.) The way the light flahes on the visor is much different than the previous flah. There is a flash maybe a second or two before the alleged visor flash and it appears vertically, meaning something standing upright or in an upright position. When lightning strikes it travels the fastest way to the ground and in the most vertical way possible, therefore the next lightning in the same area would travel vertically. The light flah on the Mc's visor is a horizontal flash indicating that is it most likey NOT lightning. See? I will post up over conversation though so people may interpret. Really though its visible because Bungie doesn't not want to show what the HUD is going to look like...yet.
Look at the storm, you can see horizontal flashes of light inside the spinning vortex. There is yor horizontal flash.

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Subject: Speculation/Theory: Thats not Cortana, its Dr.Hasley...

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Posted by: Xx AeonPsych xX
for those of you saying that the theory i have is the least likeyl thing ever READ THE FRIKKEN HALO 3 SCRIPt and yes it makes more sense if you read the whole thing

twords the bottom of the scrip it has cortana betraying master chief, the gravemind which corners master chief and saying rember me? and then the scrip says


Flashback: (and here is the part where it reveals the gravemind being captain keyes)

That script is fake, a few kids in my school wrote it, they actually came to me to check some facts though I had no idea they were making a bogus script. They could have just made it a fanfic and it would have become very popular instead of shunned.

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i havent read the books but i played the games and i rekon there r more people like me who dont have a clue who the doctor is so i dont realy think he'd be in halo 3 4 that reason.

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Subject: Speculation/Theory: Thats not Cortana, its Dr.Hasley...*Update # 3*
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Cortana wouldn't look like Dr. Hasley. If you recall AI choose thier apearance. There is an AI that looks sorta like the grim reaper and i'm sure his source person wasn't a skeleton man.

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Update #3: A convo between myself and an anonymous user:

"In relation to your update number two--

there is lightning flashing, there is no light flashing INSIDE john;s helmet, its LIGHTING FROM TEH VORTEX...

Please put this under that unpade number two, it makes no sense to be able to see whast going on INSIDE his helmet...

Think of it, MC is in a dark room stalking an Elite, then, as Linda flashes her light to MC to tell him she will take him out, BAM the elite sees the flicker behind him from that light inside MC's head and kills him



Cmon, this is the 26th century, i htink they have found out how to make Combat Visors Opaque by now..."

I will if we debate a little more. Now, true it would not show on the outside but perhaps this was given to us by Bungie no? Also it is probably not lightning for these reasons:
1.) He turns his head before the banshees noise can be heard indicating that he looked over because of the light flahing in his visor. These lights were used as comunication and they always appeared in the top right of the helmet.

Um, no. I can hear the banshee's at 1:13. He doesn't turn his head untill 1:15.

2.) The way the light flahes on the visor is much different than the previous flah. There is a flash maybe a second or two before the alleged visor flash and it appears vertically, meaning something standing upright or in an upright position. When lightning strikes it travels the fastest way to the ground and in the most vertical way possible, therefore the next lightning in the same area would travel vertically. The light flah on the Mc's visor is a horizontal flash indicating that is it most likey NOT lightning. See? I will post up over conversation though so people may interpret. Really though its visible because Bungie doesn't not want to show what the HUD is going to look like...yet.
Look at the storm, you can see horizontal flashes of light inside the spinning vortex. There is yor horizontal flash.

I see no horizontal flashes, no lightning travels in a way that would have reflected the way it did onthe chiefs helmet.

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Subject: Speculation/Theory: Thats not Cortana, its Dr.Hasley...
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I find your thoughts and reasoning on this actually being Dr. halsey interesting however, Cortana was modeled after Dr. Halsey in the first place, which would suggest that Dr. Halsey looks somewhat like the way Cortana looked in Halo 1. In Halo 2, Cortana looks noticeably different. She changed her own form a bit. I would imagine that if she was originially modeled after Dr. Halsey, she would look more like her before she altered her appearance, and that if it were Dr. Halsey in the video, she would look more like the version of Cortana seen in the first game.

As for the visor flash, I am very much in agreement with the folks that are reasoning that the Spartan's communcation blinkers would not be seen by outsiders. It's impractical to suggest that they could be seen by outsiders as that would destroy the whole point of them, which is communication in secrecy.

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get this, its showing her face so we know its her and what not, and through her image we can tell the transmition is being distorted in some way

the chief wouldnt be able to see her, how we do int he trailer.

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Posted by: Dock
I find your thoughts and reasoning on this actually being Dr. halsey interesting however, Cortana was modeled after Dr. Halsey in the first place, which would suggest that Dr. Halsey looks somewhat like the way Cortana looked in Halo 1. In Halo 2, Cortana looks noticeably different. She changed her own form a bit. I would imagine that if she was originially modeled after Dr. Halsey, she would look more like her before she altered her appearance, and that if it were Dr. Halsey in the video, she would look more like the version of Cortana seen in the first game.

As for the visor flash, I am very much in agreement with the folks that are reasoning that the Spartan's communcation blinkers would not be seen by outsiders. It's impractical to suggest that they could be seen by outsiders as that would destroy the whole point of them, which is communication in secrecy.

I think Cortana changed herself by causing herself to "age" through one of her subroutines to make her look older because at the time of h1 Dr.Hasley would have changed which brings me to the assumption that Dr.Hasley has also changed through aging to the point in which we see her in the Trailer.
Also I believe that the flash inside/outside master Chiefs helmet was put there on purpose by Bungie so we could put some meaning into the Trailer. I explained most things on the flashes in my first post so you may wanna go check that out.

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get this, its showing her face so we know its her and what not, and through her image we can tell the transmition is being distorted in some way

the chief wouldnt be able to see her, how we do int he trailer.

Could you rephrase that because it makes no sense...

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very good theory. Cortana is basically a computerized clone of Dr. Halsey (i've alway's prounced her as Dr. Hazley in my mind, dont ask y). And she knows johns past, and mabye on her mission with kelly she learned sum future. Or mabye she can go in the future with that time warping crystal. Its possible.


First, the crystal distorted time. When they used it in the book, they travelled through slipspace for a few minutes and when they came out, they had travelled a few weeks worth in distance. Secondly and most importantly, they were afraid of the covenant getting their hands on the crystal, so they destroyed it. Nobody seems to remember that important detail.

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Posted by: Lord Guntar
Cortana wouldn't look like Dr. Hasley. If you recall AI choose thier apearance. There is an AI that looks sorta like the grim reaper and i'm sure his source person wasn't a skeleton man.


What he said. They modeled Cortana's personality after Dr. Halsley, not her appearance. Even if Cortana chose to look similar to Dr. Halsley, she is way too young looking. By the third book, Dr. Halsley had gray streaks in her hair. She's an old woman. So if Dr. Halsley was trying to send a transmission to MC, yes she would look blue like all other transmission holograms in the series, but she would also be in her late 40s to early/mid 50s in age. That means that it is Cortana in the trailer, more than likely having Gravemind talking through her.

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Oh no, I did read that, I just doubt that Bungie took that creative liberty.
But back to Dr. Halsey...
It hasn't really been that long since we last saw Dr. Halsey so I'm not so sure she would have aged. This is all (from what we know so far) taking place in the year 2552. From the time when Cortana is first inserted into Master Chief's suit during that training exercise with the ODST's and up to the last event of First Strike, it's still 2552. Now, perhaps by the time Halo 2 is done it could possibly be 2553. The only other thing I can think of would be time travel. Dr. Halsey could have been gone a very long time and come back in time to help but in that case, it still doesnt explain why Cortana would have known about it. But other than that, I'm not sure I understand what you mean about this aging since not much time has passed.

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for everyone to see...

This part is taken when Cortana says "Past" you see two silhouettes but you can see the main one is cortana (due to the lines on neck) if you want to debate this you might try the other

http://www.mytheral.com/h3/cortana+hasley.JPG

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very good theory. Cortana is basically a computerized clone of Dr. Halsey (i've alway's prounced her as Dr. Hazley in my mind, dont ask y). And she knows johns past, and mabye on her mission with kelly she learned sum future. Or mabye she can go in the future with that time warping crystal. Its possible.


First, the crystal distorted time. When they used it in the book, they travelled through slipspace for a few minutes and when they came out, they had travelled a few weeks worth in distance. Secondly and most importantly, they were afraid of the covenant getting their hands on the crystal, so they destroyed it. Nobody seems to remember that important detail.

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Posted by: Lord Guntar
Cortana wouldn't look like Dr. Hasley. If you recall AI choose thier apearance. There is an AI that looks sorta like the grim reaper and i'm sure his source person wasn't a skeleton man.


What he said. They modeled Cortana's personality after Dr. Halsley, not her appearance. Even if Cortana chose to look similar to Dr. Halsley, she is way too young looking. By the third book, Dr. Halsley had gray streaks in her hair. She's an old woman. So if Dr. Halsley was trying to send a transmission to MC, yes she would look blue like all other transmission holograms in the series, but she would also be in her late 40s to early/mid 50s in age. That means that it is Cortana in the trailer, more than likely having Gravemind talking through her.

You cannot really tell how old she is because she just flahes on the screen and its an incomplete image.

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Posted by: Dock
Oh no, I did read that, I just doubt that Bungie took that creative liberty.
But back to Dr. Halsey...
It hasn't really been that long since we last saw Dr. Halsey so I'm not so sure she would have aged. This is all (from what we know so far) taking place in the year 2552. From the time when Cortana is first inserted into Master Chief's suit during that training exercise with the ODST's and up to the last event of First Strike, it's still 2552. Now, perhaps by the time Halo 2 is done it could possibly be 2553. The only other thing I can think of would be time travel. Dr. Halsey could have been gone a very long time and come back in time to help but in that case, it still doesnt explain why Cortana would have known about it. But other than that, I'm not sure I understand what you mean about this aging since not much time has passed.


We do not know how much time because the crystal may stop time or allow the user to go back in time, this also explains why the figure seems relatively young.

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Posted by: Dock
Oh no, I did read that, I just doubt that Bungie took that creative liberty.
But back to Dr. Halsey...
It hasn't really been that long since we last saw Dr. Halsey so I'm not so sure she would have aged. This is all (from what we know so far) taking place in the year 2552. From the time when Cortana is first inserted into Master Chief's suit during that training exercise with the ODST's from the last event of First Strike, it's still 2552. Now, perhaps by the time Halo 2 is done it could possibly be 2553. The only other thing I can think of would be time travel. Dr. Halsey could have been gone a very long time and come back but in that case, it still doesnt explain why Cortana would have known about it. But other than that, I'm not sure I understand what you mean about this aging since not much time has passed.


What I'm saying is to not count years since the beginning of Halo CE but since the books began. Dr. Halsley hand-picked the kids that would grow up to be Spartans. She was in her late 20s to early 30s when John 117 was just a kid. They created Cortana later in order to help Dr. Halsley with the Spartan project; I believe she might have taken on an appearance that resembled a younger Dr. Halsley (i.e. when she started the project). MC is somewhere between mid 20s and mid 30s in age now. That's why I'm saying Dr. Halsley is old. She has changed in appearance, not Cortana. Plus, the part in my previous post about her (Dr. Halsley) having gray hair was mentioned in the third book. It states the fact that she's getting old.

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But the crystal was destroyed...
And on Cortana being created to help with the Spartan project. Where does it say WHEN Cortana was created? I don't remember it saying that but it's been some time since I read the books... I think I vaugely remember the books saying something about Cortana choosing to take on Dr. Halsey's form but only vaugely.

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Also I believe that the flash inside/outside master Chiefs helmet was put there on purpose by Bungie so we could put some meaning into the Trailer. I explained most things on the flashes in my first post so you may wanna go check that out.

The flash was put there to show off the reflectivness of the visor.
And horizantal lightning can happen in a natural storm, so why can't it happen in an unnatual one? (if you don't believe me look for cloud-to-cloud lightning)

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It's gotta be Cortana......

For one, I seriously doubt Dr. Halsey has had any personal contact with Gravemind. Even if that were the case in some weird way, she loaded Kelly onto the shuttle and bolted with little else. If she could send a message from wherever she's at, why bother with the Cortana image? Halsey has no means to create an AI for that purpose. Halsey also takes off before the final events of First Strike, so she should have no idea that the Covenant have found Earth, and would not send a message there because it would violate the Cole Protocol.

In addition, it would just be too complex to introduce Dr. Halsey into the game storyline's at this point without dedicating some serious screen time to her back story. Too confusing for fans who have not read the books, and too much back story to tell.

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