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Subject: Bungie's Position on SOPA

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Posted by: shadow 2648
Then why is it an issue when a corporation tries to enforce copyright law?

This can't be abused. Copyrighted material will be removed, and nothing more.


First of nice selective quoting.

Second. Sopa is 5 mega ton bomb, aimed at a small shack. You honestly think there won't be any collateral damage. If you can sit on the other side of your screen and sit there thinking that Sopa is honestly the best way to combat piracy Then we have nothing more to discuss.

I absolutely don't agree with SOPA. I don't think it's the best way to combat piracy because I believe that certain information should be shared freely.

But I'm arguing from the point of someone who supports current copyright laws (which, as I've stated numerous times, I don't). I'm asking you why you have a problem with corporations enforcing copyright law when you have no problem with copyright law. This may sound mean, and I don't mean it to be, but what you posted wasn't really an argument.

  • 01.13.2012 10:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: Zon The Great

Posted by: shadow 2648
Then why is it an issue when a corporation tries to enforce copyright law?

This can't be abused. Copyrighted material will be removed, and nothing more.


First of nice selective quoting.

Second. Sopa is 5 mega ton bomb, aimed at a small shack. You honestly think there won't be any collateral damage. If you can sit on the other side of your screen and sit there thinking that Sopa is honestly the best way to combat piracy Then we have nothing more to discuss.

I absolutely don't agree with SOPA. I don't think it's the best way to combat piracy because I believe that certain information should be shared freely.

But I'm arguing from the point of someone who supports current copyright laws (which, as I've stated numerous times, I don't). I'm asking you why you have a problem with corporations enforcing copyright law when you have no problem with copyright law. This may sound mean, and I don't mean it to be, but what you posted wasn't really an argument.


how can you argue anything when you clearly don't know what SOPA entails? that alone implies you don't know much about the rest of the copy right laws, but i'm not saying i know much more. instead of just putting this up as a discussion thread, bungie should make it informative on what SOPA actually is and how it changes curent regs.

[Edited on 01.13.2012 10:33 PM PST]

  • 01.13.2012 10:29 PM PDT

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Sopa removes or at least diminishes the arbitration process involved in enforcing DNS blocking. It gives more power to the corporations than they should have.

I believe in retention of intalectual property.

My beef with sopa is that it gives big corporations numerous ways off killing a site. If they can't get them blacklisted they can turn around and ask for their funding to be cut off. ( < which there are far less requirements for )

To be honest its 1 30 am here and im having trouble forming intelligent argument. I have valid reasons that i would love to share im just having issues putting them into words.

I find Sopa redundent all it is is a more risky version of the acts that are currently in place. It also creates unnecessary strain on the DNS resolution system and will cause general instability of they way clients authenticate to servers. In some instances making key infastructure more prone to hacks and over loads. There is a very interesting DNS resolution time chart that i am having trouble finding a link to that supports the technical issue's that most (ISP's ) say sopa will cause


  • 01.13.2012 10:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zon The Great

Posted by: shadow 2648
I have no issues with copywrite law.

Then why is it an issue when a corporation tries to enforce copyright law?

This can't be abused. Copyrighted material will be removed, and nothing more.
I'd like to interject for a moment. The ability to remove copyrighted materials already exists under the DMCA. Also, when it comes to DNS based blocking, it's all or nothing. There's no "just this page" it's the entire domain.

You should take a read here.

Directly from the Bill:

In General- A service provider shall take technically feasible and reasonable measures designed to prevent access by its subscribers located within the United States to the foreign infringing sight (or portion thereof) that is subject to the order...
(section 14, 1-7)

  • 01.13.2012 10:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zon The Great
Posted by: XoG Suppressor

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Posted by: shadow 2648
I have no issues with copywrite law.

Then why is it an issue when a corporation tries to enforce copyright law?

This can't be abused. Copyrighted material will be removed, and nothing more.
I'd like to interject for a moment. The ability to remove copyrighted materials already exists under the DMCA. Also, when it comes to DNS based blocking, it's all or nothing. There's no "just this page" it's the entire domain.

You should take a read here.

Directly from the Bill:

In General- A service provider shall take technically feasible and reasonable measures designed to prevent access by its subscribers located within the United States to the foreign infringing sight (or portion thereof) that is subject to the order...
(section 14, 1-7)
That's great that they think they can do that via DNS filtering. They cannot.

  • 01.13.2012 10:37 PM PDT

Ah, someone leaked. Now to find the leak and.... plug it.
With justice.

I use coup 5
Never Played halo 1 = Invalid opinion
Bloom isn't whats broken, its your idea of what good is and your opinion
Thats like saying uber nerf armor lock because like 20 percent of the community hates it. Oh wait..................

These problems will be enough to ensure that alternative name-lookup infrastructures will come into widespread use, outside the control of US service providers but easily used by American citizens. Errors and divergences will appear between these new services and the current global DNS, and contradictory addresses will confuse browsers and frustrate the people using them. These problems will be widespread and will affect sites other than those blacklisted by the American government.

Stoping this is not withing the technically fesable relm

  • 01.13.2012 10:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: shadow 2648
I find Sopa redundent all it is is a more risky version of the acts that are currently in place. It also creates unnecessary strain on the DNS resolution system and will cause general instability of they way clients authenticate to servers. In some instances making key infastructure more prone to hacks and over loads. There is a very interesting DNS resolution time chart that i am having trouble finding a link to that supports the technical issue's that most (ISP's ) say sopa will cause

Yeah, SOPA will cause a lot of technical issues for ISP's. Some user posted a link about how it would slow Internet speeds. And that sucks. I don't want SOPA to pass, I'm just trying to tell people what they really should fight against.

  • 01.13.2012 10:38 PM PDT

I know you are but what am I?

Posted by: XoG Suppressor
That's great that they think they can do that via DNS filtering. They cannot.

So what you're saying is that there's no way to censor a portion of a website?

  • 01.13.2012 10:42 PM PDT

Ah, someone leaked. Now to find the leak and.... plug it.
With justice.

I use coup 5
Never Played halo 1 = Invalid opinion
Bloom isn't whats broken, its your idea of what good is and your opinion
Thats like saying uber nerf armor lock because like 20 percent of the community hates it. Oh wait..................

Yeah, SOPA will cause a lot of technical issues for ISP's. Some user posted a link about how it would slow Internet speeds. And that sucks. I don't want SOPA to pass, I'm just trying to tell people what they really should fight against.

so in the end i have a more philosophical issue with it and yours is more technical.

  • 01.13.2012 10:43 PM PDT

I know you are but what am I?


Posted by: shadow 2648
Yeah, SOPA will cause a lot of technical issues for ISP's. Some user posted a link about how it would slow Internet speeds. And that sucks. I don't want SOPA to pass, I'm just trying to tell people what they really should fight against.

so in the end i have a more philosophical issue with it and yours is more technical.

Yeah something like that

  • 01.13.2012 10:45 PM PDT

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After much slumber Bungie's excellent stance against SOPA got me to come back to the old stomping grounds for a bit. Glad to see one of my favorite companies taking a stance against something that should be launched into the sun.

  • 01.13.2012 10:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zon The Great
Posted by: XoG Suppressor
That's great that they think they can do that via DNS filtering. They cannot.

So what you're saying is that there's no way to censor a portion of a website?
Yes and no. You can filter specific sub-domains from DNS queries, but those are things like "uploads.wikipedia.org" not "wikipedia.org/article/etc". seeing as unique sub-domains aren't used for content hosting, No.

  • 01.13.2012 10:47 PM PDT

Ah, someone leaked. Now to find the leak and.... plug it.
With justice.

I use coup 5
Never Played halo 1 = Invalid opinion
Bloom isn't whats broken, its your idea of what good is and your opinion
Thats like saying uber nerf armor lock because like 20 percent of the community hates it. Oh wait..................

Yes and no. You can filter specific sub-domains from DNS queries, but those are things like "uploads.wikipedia.org" not "wikipedia.org/article/etc". seeing as unique sub-domains aren't used for content hosting, No.

DING 10 points to gryffindor.

You can't just take the content off. Also depending upon wut sub-domain is blocked it still might breack the functionality of the entire site. If something in the code for one page is loading dependencies from the sub domain the browser won't be able to resolve the file request.

  • 01.13.2012 10:52 PM PDT

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Literally and figuratively, the most accurate analogy I've heard for DNS based blocking is as follows: "It's like taking down street signs in the hopes of stopping people from finding a crack-house". The problem is you can use someone else's map, or go off of your own memory.

  • 01.13.2012 10:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: XoG Suppressor

Posted by: Zon The Great
Posted by: XoG Suppressor
That's great that they think they can do that via DNS filtering. They cannot.

So what you're saying is that there's no way to censor a portion of a website?
Yes and no. You can filter specific sub-domains from DNS queries, but those are things like "uploads.wikipedia.org" not "wikipedia.org/article/etc". seeing as unique sub-domains aren't used for content hosting, No.

Barring the fact that the law allows for a time of self-censorship after a corporation submits an appeal, are there are other methods of censoring a website using methods besides DNS-filtering?

I was under the impression there were, but if there aren't then I don't know how this law is feasible.

And yeah, it's relatively easy to get passed DNS blocks or whatever. That's a nice analogy.

[Edited on 01.13.2012 11:02 PM PST]

  • 01.13.2012 11:01 PM PDT

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There are many other methods try and censor people's internet access, but this bill focuses on DNS based blocking.

The DMCA is already in place, and provides rights holders with all the power they need (and then some), the DMCA is already too broad and strong IMO, this is not needed.

Any further questions aimed at me should be directed to my private inbox as I need to rest.

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  • 01.13.2012 11:08 PM PDT

Glad to hear you guys are in on the fight, I was against this bill ever since Firefox started mentioning it.

  • 01.13.2012 11:13 PM PDT
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  • 01.13.2012 11:17 PM PDT

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If it passes, -blam!- rise.

  • 01.13.2012 11:46 PM PDT

Damn, I never expected bungie to actually make comment on SOPA. Im so pleased with this.

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  • 01.14.2012 2:11 AM PDT
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And after all that drama, the bill still has a chance of happening.

  • 01.14.2012 2:27 AM PDT

Numba one Italian on da flud.

I know Bungie is an US company but, will this bill affect me? (I live in Italy).

  • 01.14.2012 3:16 AM PDT

"Before you insult someone, try walking a mile in their shoes. This way, when you insult them, you are a mile away and have their shoes."

Call me idiotic, but SOPA would not be so bad if it was made by people who understand it, and only shut down content if the original author requested it, that would be respecting copyright laws.

SOPA right now is horrible, and it's good to see another important content author speak out against it. Great work!

  • 01.14.2012 4:31 AM PDT

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I know Bungie is an US company but, will this bill affect me? (I live in Italy).


SOPA will not effect people outside of the USA in terms of persecution and treatment, but it will mean we will lose a lot of access to sites such as youtube, facebook, google, and the internet in general. So, law wise, no, internet/content wise, yes.

  • 01.14.2012 4:32 AM PDT