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"We are going to bleed and bleed and hemorrhage, unless this Congress at least protects one industry that is able to retrieve a surplus balance of trade and whose total future depends on its protection from the savagery and the ravages of this machine. ... I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone."
- Jack Valenti, former head of the MPAA

And yet the movie industry survived.

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  • 01.14.2012 10:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: Economics
If a music industry is going to exist, it can't operate in this environment.
That's a very big "if". The use of words like "archaic" should've given away the fact that a music industry designed to ship pieces of vinyl around the world to be broadcast by AM radio stations in the 1950s and 1960s has no place in the 21st century.

But will people pay market price for a song when they can get it for free?Free is the market price. You can get the music free and legally off spotify, grooveshark, last.fm, youtube, the radio and a legion of other services.

Eventually, it is going to drive the music industry out of businessGood. The music industry is a parasitic, anti-creative neanderthal in this age. Piracy is the consumer reaction to the perceived lack of value in the corporate music industry.

and their won't be any music to pirate.Why not likely. Most unsigned bands give away their music for free as it is now anyway.

  • 01.14.2012 11:00 AM PDT

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Eventually, it is going to drive the music industry out of business
Good. The music industry is a parasitic, anti-creative neanderthal in this age. Piracy is the consumer reaction to the perceived lack of value in the corporate music industry.

and their won't be any music to pirate.
Why not likely. Most unsigned bands give away their music for free as it is now anyway.


Exactly the music business in its current form is a monster and it deserves to die.

And also music is simply voice set to rhyme, If i copywriter my voice does that mean you have to pay me whenever i speak around you. Music will not disapear. In fact i expect it to become even better and the artist will make thier money from live performences

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  • 01.14.2012 11:05 AM PDT

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  • 01.14.2012 11:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: duskypolorbear
under SOPA if one of the members in the bungie post some kind of copy righted material, isn't all of the bungie sight going to be shut down?

Remember the Code of Conduct you agreed to when you registered here?

Here's a snippet:

Bungie does not permit behavior or content related to illegal activities. If you violate the law, you will be responsible for the consequences.
And from SOPA:

Any person acting with a good faith reasonable basis in law to believe that the person's conduct is lawful shall not be considered to have acted willfully
Bungie have reason to believe that their users will not do anything illegal here. As such, they won't be held responsible if their users act unlawfully.

[Edited on 01.14.2012 11:59 AM PST]

  • 01.14.2012 11:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: elmicker I have to build on your concerns of state operated / untrusted DNS.

Along with the ability to poison DNS, another piece of critical internet security infrastructure is the use of Certificate Authorities (CA). These companies authenticate (and provide) Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) certificates and the domains that use them.

A problem that emerges in this scenario (DHS controlled DNS) is the that many CAs are controlled by the government (or can me compromised, eg: Comodo, Diginotar). Controlling these 2 choke points can lead to some scary scenarios, like THIS, except worse. With a signature from a CA and poisoning DNS, you and your browser both would believe you're connecting to the real server, while actually handing your information over to the attackers (government, hackers etc).

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  • 01.14.2012 12:03 PM PDT

Get WorkPLaced!!

Honestly, it's about time some of the bigger gaming companies started saying something. I've been trying to spread the word about how bad SOPA is for awhile now, so I'm really excited to see Bungie, Joystiq, and even EPIC all revealing their stances on it publicly.

To many people fear the government, with the NDAA and SOPA both passed as law, America would essentially become a police state, with a very real possibility of having martial law declared, we can't let it get to that point, open your eyes people.

Fight the Power!

  • 01.14.2012 12:15 PM PDT

To many people fear the government, with the NDAA and SOPA both passed as law, America would essentially become a police state, with a very real possibility of having martial law declared, we can't let it get to that point, open your eyes people.You actually think this, don't you.
Gosh.

  • 01.14.2012 12:25 PM PDT

We need a madness to the method!

Bungie gets it right again.

One thing I want to point out is there's another bill called the Protect IP Act (PIPA) that also oversteps its bounds in attempting to prevent copyright theft. Don't let SOPA be a blindfold, make sure to fight this bill as well.

  • 01.14.2012 12:42 PM PDT

Without a recording industry, you wouldn't have the quality of songs we have today. People in their garage can't afford million dollar sound equipment and the cost of promotion to get known nationwide.
That's why you put on these things called 'concerts', my dear boy.

  • 01.14.2012 12:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: Erikster
Bungie gets it right again.

One thing I want to point out is there's another bill called the Protect IP Act (PIPA) that also oversteps its bounds in attempting to prevent copyright theft. Don't let SOPA be a blindfold, make sure to fight this bill as well.
If we stop SOPA, we could stop PIPA.
Anyway, Lamar Smith, the congressman who proposed SOPA, is now trying to mitigate it by proposing to take some of the things that give SOPA it's teeth out of the bill.

Posted by: racooon
Without a recording industry, you wouldn't have the quality of songs we have today. People in their garage can't afford million dollar sound equipment and the cost of promotion to get known nationwide.
That's why you put on these things called 'concerts', my dear boy.
This. Artists get very little off of album sales and the majority of their revenue comes from concerts and promotions.

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  • 01.14.2012 12:48 PM PDT

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Glad to see that Bungie is against this. I can't believe that people would want this passed.

  • 01.14.2012 1:04 PM PDT

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  • 01.14.2012 1:06 PM PDT

You're ignoring the role the recording industry plays in seeking out and finding talent, putting them in a million dollar studio and recording their music, and then promoting said artist.
I don't like that. Artists do not get big in the majority of cases by their own skill. They need help.That's why they have 'managers'.Take away music sales and the recording industry will have to get its money elsewhere. The recording industry can sit on it and spin, for all I care.

  • 01.14.2012 1:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Economics
You're ignoring the role the recording industry plays in seeking out and finding talent, putting them in a million dollar studio and recording their music, and then promoting said artist.
The same record industry that passed on The Beatles, Lady GaGa, and Elvis? (Just to name a few)

You don't need a record industry to get famous anymore. Rebecca Black and Justin Bieber are proof of that.

[Edited on 01.14.2012 1:23 PM PST]

  • 01.14.2012 1:23 PM PDT

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SOPA isn't a good step but it's inevitable that the first step to bringing some order and accountability to the average joe on the internet will be met with huge backlash.

People don't like to be held accountable for their actions on the internet and while SOPA puts far too much accountability on sites like Youtube that are threatened the most and puts the dominant power on companies with armies of lawyers that'll always buy their way out of anything we'll never be able to put accountability on the pirates themselves until we crack down on the anonymity on the internet. Something that won't go over well, but will be needed eventually.

  • 01.14.2012 1:23 PM PDT

Something that won't go over well, but will be needed eventually.From my cold, dead hands, fascist.

  • 01.14.2012 1:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Economics
You're ignoring the role the recording industry plays in seeking out and finding talent, putting them in a million dollar studio and recording their music, and then promoting said artist.
The same record industry that passed on The Beatles, Lady GaGa, and Elvis? (Just to name a few)

You don't need a record industry to get famous anymore. Rebecca Black and Justin Bieber are proof of that.
Rebecca Black isn't popular anymore in the slightest and Justin Bieber is slowly falling victim to the "Aaron Carter" effect of teenage male pop-stars having short lived spots in the limelight. Other than that I agree with you, just a bit of a nitpick.

  • 01.14.2012 1:27 PM PDT

SOPA is a violation on our rights in the US. Glad to see this position is being taken by Bungie and other online companies.

  • 01.14.2012 1:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: racooon
Something that won't go over well, but will be needed eventually.From my cold, dead hands, fascist.
Drivers licenses, passports, social security numbers...

They all bringing our country one step closer to fascism too?

I enjoy romanticizing the internet as much as the next guy but it's unrealistic to expect it to last in it's current form forever.

  • 01.14.2012 1:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: racooon
Something that won't go over well, but will be needed eventually.From my cold, dead hands, fascist.
Drivers licenses, passports, social security numbers...
They all bringing our country one step closer to fascism too?
I enjoy romanticizing the internet as much as the next guy but it's unrealistic to expect it to last in it's current form forever.
Not unless you've got a hysterical interpretation of 'fascism'.

  • 01.14.2012 1:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cpl Crosseyes
SOPA isn't a good step but it's inevitable that the first step to bringing some order and accountability to the average joe on the internet will be met with huge backlash.

People don't like to be held accountable for their actions on the internet and while SOPA puts far too much accountability on sites like Youtube that are threatened the most and puts the dominant power on companies with armies of lawyers that'll always buy their way out of anything we'll never be able to put accountability on the pirates themselves until we crack down on the anonymity on the internet. Something that won't go over well, but will be needed eventually.


The problem is, SOPA, and other such concepts, go against the free market model that our economy is built on. People don't pirate because they're evil, it is because they don't see the products they take as being worth the prices charged for them. That's the checks and balances system built into an open market economy. By allowing the government to step in on this situation, it is only setting a precedent that facilitates fat-wallet corporations to pass binding legislature to protect their investments, rather than having to sit down at a board meeting and discuss why your consumers feel that you are charging too much.

SOPA is the corporate equivalent of a child holding his breath until his mother buys him candy at the checkout line.

The most irritating part I find in this whole fiasco is just the shear effort and attention SOPA is getting. What about Social Security? The defense budget? Or how about pharmaceutical companies; they have an absolute monopoly on the drugs that are produced in this country, a monopoly worse than Microsoft had when it received an anti-trust lawsuit. I find it asinine that our country gets so worked up over entertainment of all things.

  • 01.14.2012 1:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cpl Crosseyes
SOPA isn't a good step but it's inevitable that the first step to bringing some order and accountability to the average joe on the internet will be met with huge backlash.

People don't like to be held accountable for their actions on the internet and while SOPA puts far too much accountability on sites like Youtube that are threatened the most and puts the dominant power on companies with armies of lawyers that'll always buy their way out of anything we'll never be able to put accountability on the pirates themselves until we crack down on the anonymity on the internet. Something that won't go over well, but will be needed eventually.


The problem is, SOPA, and other such concepts, go against the free market model that our economy is built on. People don't pirate because they're evil, it is because they don't see the products they take as being worth the prices charged for them. That's the checks and balances system built into an open market economy. By allowing the government to step in on this situation, it is only setting a precedent that facilitates fat-wallet corporations to pass binding legislature to protect their investments, rather than having to sit down at a board meeting and discuss why your consumers feel that you are charging too much.

SOPA is the corporate equivalent of a child holding his breath until his mother buys him candy at the checkout line.

The most irritating part I find in this whole fiasco is just the shear effort and attention SOPA is getting. What about Social Security? The defense budget? Or how about pharmaceutical companies; they have an absolute monopoly on the drugs that are produced in this country, a monopoly worse than Microsoft had when it received an anti-trust lawsuit. I find it asinine that our country gets so worked up over entertainment of all things.
I agree. For fear of getting into other connected political things we probably shouldn't talk about too much stuff here. But I will say that I would trust my government any day before a corporation. And that the problem nowadays is the corporations buying out the government to make them too closely related.

Makes the occupy Wall Street look like a better and better movement in my eyes. They've got the right problem nailed down... if no idea what to do about it.

  • 01.14.2012 1:44 PM PDT