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Subject: Bungie's Position on SOPA
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Posted by: Shishka
Everything will be gone long before me. When the first living thing was born, I was here, waiting. When the last living thing dies, my job is finished. I'll put the chairs on the tables, turn out the lights and lock the universe behind me when I leave.

Posted by: pet400
......The act has been shelved... YES!
Note that "shelved" doesn't mean "defeated". The Patriot Act was shelved for quite some time. Then 9/11 happened and it passed in a heartbeat. They're just waiting for a similar internet catastrophe to get support for it. Also, there's still PIPA, a similar bill in the Senate.

The fight isn't over yet.

  • 01.16.2012 11:16 AM PDT

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  • 01.16.2012 11:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: SPRTN One One 7
This, is step 7....

Anyways, good. We need more people to oppose it. Bungie is a big one with such a great community, now we need 343 in it too if they aren't already.


microsoft said they were against it.

  • 01.16.2012 1:08 PM PDT
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I <3 you too Bungie

Not to be a broken record, but again, I think Bungie.net should go offline for at least an hour in protest on the 18th.

  • 01.16.2012 1:11 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: Destiny 7

Posted by: Jujubes
Not to be a broken record, but again, I think Bungie.net should go offline for at least an hour in protest on the 18th.


It's been stopped so no need.
The above statement is false.

  • 01.16.2012 1:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Destiny 7

Posted by: Jujubes
Not to be a broken record, but again, I think Bungie.net should go offline for at least an hour in protest on the 18th.


It's been stopped so no need.
They have simply stopped pushing it forward for a little while so that they can talk about it more. It is still very much alive and threatening.

  • 01.16.2012 2:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shishka
Everything will be gone long before me. When the first living thing was born, I was here, waiting. When the last living thing dies, my job is finished. I'll put the chairs on the tables, turn out the lights and lock the universe behind me when I leave.

Posted by: Destiny 7
Posted by: Jujubes
Not to be a broken record, but again, I think Bungie.net should go offline for at least an hour in protest on the 18th.


It's been stopped so no need.
It HAS NOT been stopped. This kind of thinking leads it to being passed months later under the radar.

Also, Wikipedia just announced it'll join the blackout on the 18th! Come on Bungie, join the blackout too!

  • 01.16.2012 2:23 PM PDT

Posted by: Dustin 6047
Troll confirmed. I never even insulted you

Posted by: Dustin 6047
OP - You're a dumbass with the reading comprehension skills of a second grader.


Can someone tell me what's wrong with these two, this made me LOL hard.


Posted by: ODST27
Posted by: Destiny 7
Posted by: Jujubes
Not to be a broken record, but again, I think Bungie.net should go offline for at least an hour in protest on the 18th.


It's been stopped so no need.
It HAS NOT been stopped. This kind of thinking leads it to being passed months later under the radar.

Also, Wikipedia just announced it'll join the blackout on the 18th! Come on Bungie, join the blackout too!
B-B-But my crawl to Mythic! ;=;

  • 01.16.2012 3:07 PM PDT

Posted by: ODST27
Posted by: Destiny 7
Posted by: Jujubes
Not to be a broken record, but again, I think Bungie.net should go offline for at least an hour in protest on the 18th.


It's been stopped so no need.
It HAS NOT been stopped. This kind of thinking leads it to being passed months later under the radar.

Also, Wikipedia just announced it'll join the blackout on the 18th! Come on Bungie, join the blackout too!
We also have PIPA we need to worry about. They don't even need some "catastrophe", they can wait until we've mostly forgotten about it, or propose a bill that seems "sane" compared to this one.

[Edited on 01.16.2012 3:46 PM PST]

  • 01.16.2012 3:45 PM PDT

Ah, someone leaked. Now to find the leak and.... plug it.
With justice.

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Never Played halo 1 = Invalid opinion
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Thats like saying uber nerf armor lock because like 20 percent of the community hates it. Oh wait..................

WE can't stop at shriveled. WE don't stop until both bills are dead.

  • 01.16.2012 5:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: shadow 2648
WE can't stop at shriveled. WE don't stop until both bills are dead.
Even Wikipedia is in on the gig for the 18th. Let's go Bungie! :D

  • 01.16.2012 6:36 PM PDT

Кланяються мені!

I don't think I could have said it any better. The battle is over for now we are drawing an armistice. And next senate/congressional consensus, I will carefully vote with added emphasis on online policy.

  • 01.16.2012 6:56 PM PDT

Citizens of Me! The cruelty of the old Pharaoh is a thing of the past. Let a whole new wave of cruelty wash over this lazy land.

Hear the word of Pharaoh. Build unto me a statue of ridiculous proportion. One billion cubits in height......that I might be remembered for all eternity!

And be quick about it!


Posted by: ODST27
Also, Wikipedia just announced it'll join the blackout on the 18th! Come on Bungie, join the blackout too!


We need to get Facebook in on this, that will really -blam!- SOPA over.

  • 01.16.2012 7:08 PM PDT

Dating Age

For those looking to vent, get proper advice, or give it to those in need.

There's still PIPA....

  • 01.16.2012 8:28 PM PDT

Brainwashing, idiotic media: "hur dur, vido gaems cas vilenc n iz nt gud. dey ned 2 b baned."

Logic: Really? Then please explain how there's violence in third world countries. I guess they're all poor due to the large amount of video games they buy.


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Posted by: ODST27
Also, Wikipedia just announced it'll join the blackout on the 18th! Come on Bungie, join the blackout too!


We need to get Facebook in on this, that will really -blam!- SOPA over.


Yeah, get a whole bunch of kids who know NOTHING about American politics and its struggling and conflicting freedoms to support something that they have no clue about. I'm a 17 year-old junior in highschool and it's pretty scary and sad that the youth who will be voting in 1-3 more years have no clue what's going on in their enviroment. That's who also will be easily manipulated to follow whatever the corrupted minds of political and goverment officials tell them to do in propaganda-filled television, radio, and movies. Best to educate them first BEFORE getting them involved with what's going on.

  • 01.16.2012 8:42 PM PDT

Ok guys... there is something I completely missed.

Please not that I am not trying at all to start a forum flamewar or something of that nature, but I honestly do not see how bungie wouldn't benefit from this bill passing...

If I read the bill correctly (which I may not have), then basically that means all piracy websites would be shut down. In theory, if all piracy websites are shut down, then that forces us (the customer) to go out and buy legitimate retail copies of computer games and other content (movies, ebooks, etc.) right?

Is there something I missed? Did I read it wrong? please correct me if I'm wrong.

  • 01.16.2012 11:10 PM PDT

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If I am not posting, then I am reading what you might have posted.

Yes. That is exactly it.
Posted by: MC Enders III
Ok guys... there is something I completely missed.

Please not that I am not trying at all to start a forum flamewar or something of that nature, but I honestly do not see how bungie wouldn't benefit from this bill passing...

If I read the bill correctly (which I may not have), then basically that means all piracy websites would be shut down. In theory, if all piracy websites are shut down, then that forces us (the customer) to go out and buy legitimate retail copies of computer games and other content (movies, ebooks, etc.) right?

Is there something I missed? Did I read it wrong? please correct me if I'm wrong.

  • 01.16.2012 11:14 PM PDT


Posted by: MetalxTongue
Yes. That is exactly it.
Posted by: MC Enders III
Ok guys... there is something I completely missed.

Please not that I am not trying at all to start a forum flamewar or something of that nature, but I honestly do not see how bungie wouldn't benefit from this bill passing...

If I read the bill correctly (which I may not have), then basically that means all piracy websites would be shut down. In theory, if all piracy websites are shut down, then that forces us (the customer) to go out and buy legitimate retail copies of computer games and other content (movies, ebooks, etc.) right?

Is there something I missed? Did I read it wrong? please correct me if I'm wrong.
So, wait, I got the entire modus operandi of the bill right?

  • 01.16.2012 11:17 PM PDT

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If I am not posting, then I am reading what you might have posted.

Well, part of it. There is a lot more, go read it.
Posted by: MC Enders III

Posted by: MetalxTongue
Yes. That is exactly it.
Posted by: MC Enders III
Ok guys... there is something I completely missed.

Please not that I am not trying at all to start a forum flamewar or something of that nature, but I honestly do not see how bungie wouldn't benefit from this bill passing...

If I read the bill correctly (which I may not have), then basically that means all piracy websites would be shut down. In theory, if all piracy websites are shut down, then that forces us (the customer) to go out and buy legitimate retail copies of computer games and other content (movies, ebooks, etc.) right?

Is there something I missed? Did I read it wrong? please correct me if I'm wrong.
So, wait, I got the entire modus operandi of the bill right?

  • 01.16.2012 11:20 PM PDT
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Good too see some companies actually see how much SOPA will affect the Internet and the world. Thanks Bungie.

  • 01.17.2012 1:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: MetalxTongue
Well, part of it. There is a lot more, go read it.
Posted by: MC Enders III

Posted by: MetalxTongue
Yes. That is exactly it.
Posted by: MC Enders III
Ok guys... there is something I completely missed.

Please not that I am not trying at all to start a forum flamewar or something of that nature, but I honestly do not see how bungie wouldn't benefit from this bill passing...

If I read the bill correctly (which I may not have), then basically that means all piracy websites would be shut down. In theory, if all piracy websites are shut down, then that forces us (the customer) to go out and buy legitimate retail copies of computer games and other content (movies, ebooks, etc.) right?

Is there something I missed? Did I read it wrong? please correct me if I'm wrong.
So, wait, I got the entire modus operandi of the bill right?

Keep in mind SOPA will also make it a criminal offense to post anything copyrighted to sites like YouTube, Facebook, and even cheat/walkthrough websites for games. A seven-year-old can be jailed for posting a cheat code he discovered.

  • 01.17.2012 1:58 AM PDT

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Why Canadians Should Participate in the SOPA/PIPA Protest

This legislation also affects Canada directly because of the language used in the bill for defining "domestic". You should care, here's why.

From redound Canadian law professor Michael Geist: Some of the Internet's leading websites, including Wikipedia, Reddit, Mozilla, WordPress, and BoingBoing, will go dark tomorrow to protest against the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and the Protect IP Act (PIPA). The U.S. bills have generated massive public protest over proposed provisions that could cause enormous harm to the Internet and freedom of speech. My blog will join the protest by going dark tomorrow. While there is little that Canadians can do to influence U.S. legislation, there are many reasons why I think it is important for Canadians to participate.

First, the SOPA provisions are designed to have an extra-territorial effect that manifests itself particularly strongly in Canada. As I discussed in a column last year, SOPA treats all dot-com, dot-net, and dot-org domain as domestic domain names for U.S. law purposes. Moreover, it defines "domestic Internet protocol addresses" - the numeric strings that constitute the actual address of a website or Internet connection - as "an Internet Protocol address for which the corresponding Internet Protocol allocation entity is located within a judicial district of the United States." Yet IP addresses are allocated by regional organizations, not national ones. The allocation entity located in the U.S. is called ARIN, the American Registry for Internet Numbers. Its territory includes the U.S., Canada, and 20 Caribbean nations. This bill treats all IP addresses in this region as domestic for U.S. law purposes. To put this is context, every Canadian Internet provider relies on ARIN for its block of IP addresses. In fact, ARIN even allocates the block of IP addresses used by federal and provincial governments. The U.S. bill would treat them all as domestic for U.S. law purposes.

Second, Canadian businesses and websites could easily find themselves targeted by SOPA. The bill grants the U.S. "in rem" jurisdiction over any website that does not have a domestic jurisdictional connection. For those sites, the U.S. grants jurisdiction over the property of the site and opens the door to court orders requiring Internet providers to block the site and Internet search engines to stop linking to it. Should a Canadian website owner wish to challenge the court order, U.S. law asserts itself in another way, since in order for an owner to file a challenge (described as a "counter notification"), the owner must first consent to the jurisdiction of the U.S. courts.

Third, millions of Canadians rely on the legitimate sites that are affected by the legislation. Whether creating a Wikipedia entry, posting a comment on Reddit, running a WordPress blog, participating in an open source software project, or reading a posting on BoingBoing, the lifeblood of the Internet is a direct target of SOPA. If Canadians remain silent, they may ultimately find the sites and services they rely upon silenced by this legislation.

Fourth, the U.S. intellectual property strategy has long been premised on exporting its rules to other countries, including Canada. Spain's recent anti-piracy legislation that bears similarities to SOPA is the direct result of U.S. threats of retaliation if it did not pass U.S.-backed laws. Canada has a history of similar experiences. The same forces that have lobbied for SOPA and PIPA in the United States are the primary lobbyists behind the digital lock provisions in Bill C-11 and the recent submission to the U.S. government arguing that Canada should not be admitted to the Trans Pacific Partnership negotiations until it complies with U.S. copyright demands. Moreover, the Wikileaks cables documented relentless U.S. pressure in Canada including revelations that former Industry Minister Maxime Bernier raised the possibility of leaking the copyright bill to U.S. officials before it was to be tabled it in the House of Commons, former Industry Minister Tony Clement's director of policy Zoe Addington encouraged the U.S. to pressure Canada by elevating it on a piracy watch list, Privy Council Office official Ailish Johnson disclosed the content of ministerial mandate letters, and former RCMP national coordinator for intellectual property crime Andris Zarins advised the U.S. that the government was working on a separate intellectual property enforcement bill.

SOPA virtually guarantees that this will continue. Not only is it likely that the U.S. will begin to incorporate SOPA-like provisions into its IP demands, but SOPA makes it a matter of U.S. law to ensure that intellectual property protection is a significant component of U.S. foreign policy and grants more resources to U.S. embassies around the world to increase their involvement in foreign legal reform.

The SOPA/PIPA protest tomorrow offers people around the world the opportunity to add their voice against dangerous legislative proposals that could eventually make its way into international trade agreements and domestic lobbying pressures. For Canadians participating in the protest, consider this three step process:

If you have a website or blog, turn it dark for the day with information on SOPA, Bill C-11 and why this issue matters. If not, consider adding Stop Sopa to your Twitter or Facebook image.
Write to your Member of Parliament to register one more objection to the digital lock rules in Bill C-11. The digital lock rules are the Canadian version of SOPA - overbroad, ineffective legislation that targets technology and that is widely opposed by most stakeholders. While many are frustrated by the sense the government simply ignores these objections, the SOPA protests are attracting attention and it is important to remind Canadian politicians of the similar concerns here.
Speak out against the copyright provisions in the Trans Pacific Partnership, particularly the plans for copyright term extension and the digital lock rules. The government consultation is open until February 14, 2012. All it takes a single email with your name, address, and comments on the issue. The email can be sent to consultations@international.gc.ca. Alternatively, submissions can be sent by fax (613-944-3489) or mail (Trade Negotiations Consultations (TPP), Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada, Trade Policy and Negotiations Division II (TPW), Lester B. Pearson Building, 125 Sussex Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0G2).

  • 01.17.2012 6:32 AM PDT
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  • 01.17.2012 6:57 AM PDT

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