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Subject: Bungie's Position on SOPA

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Posted by: elmicker
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Even if the bill hurts the Internet, it's reinforcing current laws.
It's shifting the job of enforcing and adjudicating those laws from the police and the judiciary to corporations. Big fat -blam!- nope.
You mean you don't trust our corporate overlords?

What the -blam!- is wrong with you?

  • 01.13.2012 6:35 PM PDT

Umm huh

  • 01.13.2012 6:35 PM PDT

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SOPA is stupid.

  • 01.13.2012 6:37 PM PDT
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I already plan to verbally assault my senator next week when he actually comes back to my state to speak. He is "undecided" on this yet he gets like $100K in campaign funds from the entertainment industry....

  • 01.13.2012 6:37 PM PDT

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Will Bungie be canceling any appearance at E3 similar to Red 5 Studios due to ESA's support of SOPA?

  • 01.13.2012 6:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: Zon The Great
Even if the bill hurts the Internet, it's reinforcing current laws.
It's shifting the job of enforcing and adjudicating those laws from the police and the judiciary to corporations, more so than the DMCA ever did,

The judiciary branch has to validate all claims against a website. A corporation can't decide to censor any part of a website they want

Posted by: elmicker
and shifts the burdon of proof from the accuser having to prove the site is in violation to the site having to prove it isn't. Big fat -blam!- nope.

A claim filed against a website violating copyright law would be proof from the accuser, correct? I fail to see how this is different from a corporation accusing a pirate of infringing copyright law. Please explain.

  • 01.13.2012 6:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Primo84
Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: Zon The Great
Even if the bill hurts the Internet, it's reinforcing current laws.
It's shifting the job of enforcing and adjudicating those laws from the police and the judiciary to corporations. Big fat -blam!- nope.
You mean you don't trust our corporate overlords?

What the -blam!- is wrong with you?

I don't like this law any more than I like copyright holders suing pirates for billions of dollars. As I said, I'm not for the bill but that's because I don't agree with present copyright law.

  • 01.13.2012 6:45 PM PDT

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Anyone else worried that Lobbyists are just gonna pump endless amounts of cash into this bill, rendering the Vox Populi useless?

Seriously, it's BS that this kind of crap happens.

  • 01.13.2012 6:52 PM PDT

This is ridiculous. Just messaged my local senators.

  • 01.13.2012 6:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: xImNotProx
This bill hurts the ISPs the most.

A Verizon executive said in an interview Wednesday that the legislation puts too much of the burden on Internet service providers to create new technologies to monitor and stop illegal consumer use of Web content.

"We have a number of concerns with the bill," said the executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the legislative push. "And we have been shut out of the process in writing this, even though it is very technical and requires us to use a range of technically difficult things to enforce this legislation."

I don't see your point...

Even if the bill hurts the Internet, it's reinforcing current laws. I certainly don't agree with these laws but if you do agree with the copyright laws I don't see why you don't agree with SOPA.


You post a screen shot of a Reach match, violation. Make a cool Saint's Row machinima, violation.

How is this beneficial to anyone?

  • 01.13.2012 6:55 PM PDT

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  • 01.13.2012 6:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: GhostLink2401
You post a screen shot of a Reach match, violation. Make a cool Saint's Row machinima, violation.

How is this beneficial to anyone?

It's beneficial to the company that holds the copyright. Of course, they'll only be removed if the company doesn't want the videos to be shown (which is unlikely as many of those things are free advertising for the company). These videos are in violation of copyright under current law, though, unless there's another law that protects them.

  • 01.13.2012 7:02 PM PDT

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which is unlikely as many of those things are free advertising for the company
What about, for example, a video review that bashes their product?

  • 01.13.2012 7:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Primo84
Posted by: Zon The Great
which is unlikely as many of those things are free advertising for the company
What about, for example, a video review that bashes their product?

Well, wouldn't that violate current copyright law?

  • 01.13.2012 7:07 PM PDT

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  • 01.13.2012 7:41 PM PDT

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You post a screen shot of a Reach match, violation. Make a cool Saint's Row machinima, violation.

How is this beneficial to anyone?


RvB Violation
See where this is going

sopa is just all around bad

[Edited on 01.13.2012 7:43 PM PST]

  • 01.13.2012 7:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zon The Great

Posted by: GhostLink2401
You post a screen shot of a Reach match, violation. Make a cool Saint's Row machinima, violation.

How is this beneficial to anyone?

It's beneficial to the company that holds the copyright. Of course, they'll only be removed if the company doesn't want the videos to be shown (which is unlikely as many of those things are free advertising for the company). These videos are in violation of copyright under current law, though, unless there's another law that protects them.


Tell that to the record labels that claim music used in some awesome montages.



[Edited on 01.13.2012 7:59 PM PST]

  • 01.13.2012 7:58 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Someone in America please send a message to their local senator for me articulately describing my strong opposition to SOPA. If it happens in the U.S. then Harper will jump on it in a heartbeat in his ongoing vendetta against the Canadian national identity.

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  • 01.13.2012 7:59 PM PDT

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  • 01.13.2012 8:31 PM PDT
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This is from another game company's whose site I frequent.

[Users],

We're not usually inclined to comment on politics. We're a game company, and making games is just a whole lot more fun.

But there is legislation under consideration today by the United States Congress that gives us serious concern.

Called the "Stop Online Piracy Act" (SOPA) in the House of Representatives and the "PROTECT IP Act" (PIPA) in the Senate, these bills are a misguided attempt to curb the illegal piracy of copyrighted content (like movies, music and games). Preventing piracy of copyrighted content is a laudable goal, and Riot supports legitimate efforts to combat these activities and protect content creators (like us).

However, SOPA/PIPA goes far beyond simply addressing piracy. This proposed legislation actually threatens any website that features user-generated content. In effect, any copyright holder could file a claim that a streaming website is hosting unauthorized content (such as a song in the background of a[n internet gaming] stream). Under the law, ad networks, payment providers and internet service providers are now potentially liable for their user's infringement. These services could then be compelled to immediately remove support for a streaming website or face a costly legal battle at a minimum cutting off financial means, and likely shutting off the site entirely.

How would SOPA/PIPA impact [Internet Users]?

Kills streaming. If any single streamer plays copyrighted music (or alt tabs into a movie or other owned content) on their stream, there is a significant risk of the entire streaming service being taken down. In some cases, it could even result in criminal penalties for the streamer.

Threatens independent content creation. Services we all use to create and share [game] related content, such as YouTube, Reddit, DeviantArt, streaming websites such as Own3d and Twitch, and more would be at risk of shutting down or greatly restricting the scope of legitimate content allowed on their sites.

Attacks our community. Aspects of our service such as the official forums and potentially even in-game chat, could be taken down or have their features reduced based on user behavior.

Other harmful effects. SOPA/PIPA undermine established intellectual property legislation like the DMCA, raise serious constitutional free speech issues, and could even compromise the basic security infrastructure of the internet.

Congress will reconvene at the end of January, and with a long roster of supporters on both sides of the aisle, SOPA/PIPA could actually pass. The likelihood is so great that technology giants including Google, Amazon, Facebook and Twitter have gone so far as to publicly consider a simultaneous blackout in protest.

Riot Games is opposed to SOPA/PIPA in their present form. While we do support efforts to prevent online piracy, the current form of this legislation comes at far too high a cost for us, our players, and online communities across the internet.

Help us take a stand. Write your congressperson today and voice your opposition to this misguided and harmful legislation: http://action.eff.org/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY= 8173

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I know it's not exactly related to Bungie, but the points they make are too interlaced with the article for me to separate it.

EDIT: Blah. I'll take a swing at stripping it down to just the main stuff.

[Edited on 01.13.2012 8:44 PM PST]

  • 01.13.2012 8:38 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Posted by: Economics
But as a sidenote, I'm glad this discussion here (maybe it just the Community forums) has advanced to logical discussion rather than ridiculous talk about Youtube being shut down, the entire Internet burning to the ground, etc.

For some reason you've thrown an analogy in my head. Watch this (like you haven't already...) and make the internet Esmeralda and the media corporations Frollo. Let your mind fill in the hilarity from there.

As for Youtube shutting down, I don't think that's what people generally say is it? Youtube would never be shut down by this, it would just be ruined since it would have to be virtually exclusively original content. Youtube does not thrive on original content.

  • 01.13.2012 8:40 PM PDT