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For all of those who say any of the following;
1) Master Chief is communicating with other Spartans via the hud lights.
2) There are many more Spartans
3) That is not Cortana - It is Dr. Hasley
(or) anything of the sort relating to the books... YOU ARE WRONG!

Bungie themselves said the book has LIMITED to NO connection to our Halo franchise. The books are independently made to extend the minds of readers, NOT to connect to the actual games. STOP OVERLOOKING THE TRAILER. STOP SPECULATING THAT FAR INTO IT! JUST WAIT TILL MORE UPDATES. EVERYONE IS OVER THINKING THIS!

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actaully, you are wrong. Joseph Staten has said that the books are pretty much part of the canon. (i think opog might have a quote for that.) Bungie works closely with the writers

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True... the books provide a lot of the prestory to both Halo 1 and 2 and the new one will provide more info before Halo 3 I think...

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The books are based on the game, the game is not based on the books. Although they are similar, the books are seperated.

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actually you're wrong. they have a huge connection to the games, in fact the authors are limited to what they can write based on the halo bible, so obviously it has something to do with the games if it is all connected. also, the novels would be labeled as fan fiction if they werent connected in anyway.

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Thats true, but it would be really cool if Bungie could actually try to connect some of those things in H3.

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Posted by: BulkHead
The books are based on the game, the game is not based on the books. Although they are similar, the books are seperated.


both the games and the books are based on the halo universe buddy. im sure you've never even read the books so why are you even commenting about them?

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The novels are in fact official canon to the Halo story.

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Everything will be gone long before me. When the first living thing was born, I was here, waiting. When the last living thing dies, my job is finished. I'll put the chairs on the tables, turn out the lights and lock the universe behind me when I leave.

The books are cannon to the Halo Universe. Remember when Lord Hood said "The flee that destroyed Reach was 50 times this size." That's connected with the books.

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The books were made after the Halo relase, so really the Books have no connection with the game except for the stuff they exracted from it and anyways the forum is for spectulation about the upcoming game so people its fine for them to make theories whether their clever or not.

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Yes, they are connected, but they are not the same. For instance, there are facts like you just said, but bungie does not make the games to "match" with the books. They said that it was ok for the creators of the books to take the main idea and mix and match things about halo. YES, they are cannon, but bungie said they do not base the games on these books, the books are based on the games.

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The books were made after the Halo relase, so really the Books have no connection with the game except for the stuff they exracted from it and anyways the forum is for spectulation about the upcoming game so people its fine for them to make theories whether their clever or not.


Thank you. also, im not saying don't speculate, just be accurate with your theories and make them stand ground. Don't overcomplicate the trailer.

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Bungiee wants there own ideas in the games not those of other outside authors even know they got the ideas from the games in the first place just took it a step further in their thinking and Bungie wants to put somtin that no one would of guess in the game so it shoks every body and the game does better in sales.

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The books and games are connected, but very theoretically.

Bungie is not going to make a huge plot change in the games that you would have to read the books to understand. Why? Because not everybody read the books. It'd look like, to those folks, that Bungie just pulling something out of their butts.

The books are 100% cannon, and everything in them is true, but they're not going to have a massive effect on the games, if you ask me.

Opog would probably disagree with me, and I'm not going to bother arguing with him since he's a lot better informed and probably smarter than me, so all of the above post is just my insignificant opinion...

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Your right but more books equals more money and now that every body knows about halo they would read them and understand the new plot but unless that happens they will still stick to their stubborn ways

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You don't just invent stuff as you go along, you have the entire thing written out beforehand. That's what they call a story bible. Basically, what was going to happen in the books and the games (yes, that includes Halo 3) was decided before work even began on the original Halo. Some might argue that this was decided before Marathon as well.

As for the books connecting to the games, I think that everything in the games will make sense without the books, but if you read the books, you will get a far more full and complete story that will make you appreciate and understand the games more.
Example: For those who didn't read the books, Master Chief simply flew home in the ship (the name leaves me). People who read the books know the ordeal he went through as well as how Johnson got back home. This at first is all well and good, but then it means that Ackerson, the other spartans, and Hasley will probably not be in Halo 3 unless Bungie can figure out a way for them to appear that will make sense to the people who only played the games.

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Posted by: BulkHead
Bungie themselves said the book has LIMITED to NO connection to our Halo franchise. The books are independently made to extend the minds of readers, NOT to connect to the actual games. STOP OVERLOOKING THE TRAILER. STOP SPECULATING THAT FAR INTO IT! JUST WAIT TILL MORE UPDATES. EVERYONE IS OVER THINKING THIS!


Bungie has said that the books are canon, that they work closely with the Authors, and that the books are defining elements of the Halo Story. The books and the Game are connected.

Opog would probably disagree with me, and I'm not going to bother arguing with him since he's a lot better informed and probably smarter than me, so all of the above post is just my insignificant opinion...

Actually, I don't disagree with you.

Here are some quotes from Bugnie that proove my point

The books are, for better or worse, part of the canon.

Joe Staten: I did my best to be take the books into account as I wrote, and there are definitely common themes and characters. The opposite is true as well: Eric Nylund and I spoke often as he gathered is thoughts for the third Halo novel, "First Strike.

How Stuff Works: The novelization of a video game is, well ... novel. Where does Eric Nyland <sic> get the background for his books?


Pete Parsons: We work closely with him on all the stories. So what we do is we have these story arcs of the "Halo" universe, and Eric goes in and says, "Well that's a really good piece to take and here is in a microcosm what I think that story will look like."


How Stuff Works: Are you guys very conscious to make sure that everything fits together -- that the books and games don't contradict one another -- so that everyone can look to any source and say, "This is very consistent, fully realized world"?


Pete Parsons: ]Yes, but not in the marketing kind of way. We do it because we want the "Halo" universe to be manifold. You can certainly probably pull out some inconsistencies, but as a general rule we really try to keep it manifold. Because we think that ultimately we are doing this for ourselves. And after that, we're doing it for our fans, and we want them to really believe in this place that is the Halo universe. I think the reason Halo has captured so many imaginations is because we care a lot about what's going on in that universe and how believable that universe is. We have this high level myth that we understand very well.


HBO: As the Halo storyline has evolved, have you made changes to Halo: The Fall of Reach, or have you kept it going in the direction you started?


Eric Nylund: By the time writing began, the storyline of the Halo game was more or less finalized. An outline for the novel was approved by Bungie before I began writing-only very minor changes were made to the novel.

HBO: Have there been changes to the GAME (that you know of) due to the book, or due to research instigated by its writing?


Eric Nylund: Not that I'm aware of, no. I relied on the Story Bible quite extensively. The whole idea behind a Story Bible is that if you create a document that accurately describes the universe in which a game takes place, you can use it as a guide for writing a novel (for example) without needing to constantly check the developing novel against a developing game.


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Joe Staten: I did my best to be take the books into account as I wrote, and there are definitely common themes and characters. The opposite is true as well: Eric Nylund and I spoke often as he gathered is thoughts for the third Halo novel, "First Strike.

yes, that proves what im saying. THE BOOKS ARE BASED ON THE GAME, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. There obviously is a limited connection via places, time, characters, but bungie would probably not be inclined to include things that have so far been only mentioned from the book into the games. The games are 3rd party, not bungie's making. Therefore, we can almost conclude that bungie would not use this information in their games.

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Joe Staten: I did my best to be take the books into account as I wrote, and there are definitely common themes and characters. The opposite is true as well: Eric Nylund and I spoke often as he gathered is thoughts for the third Halo novel, "First Strike.

yes, that proves what im saying. THE BOOKS ARE BASED ON THE GAME, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. There obviously is a limited connection via places, time, characters, but bungie would probably not be inclined to include things that have so far been only mentioned from the book into the games. The games are 3rd party, not bungie's making. Therefore, we can almost conclude that bungie would not use this information in their games.


I could not agree with you more!

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Posted by: BulkHead
THE BOOKS ARE BASED ON THE GAME, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.


They are both based on the Halo Story Bible! Look at opog's quote!

BTW, you agreeing with yourself isn't funny.

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i knew opog would come through! anyway, i think that a few details in the game are based from the books. like slipspace. correct me if im wrong, but i think slipspace was never mentioned in the first halo. its also slightly possible that the scarab might be based on some mining machines on reach mentioned in the books. however, i agree with uberdawg. they cant make anything too big because of the books, like major plot changes. there not going to be able to fit in the other spartans, unless they do a 10 minute cutscene explaining the whole thing.

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(Opog how I love you so :-D )

Saying the Halo books have a loose connection of the game is like saying the Star Wars movies were not based off the Star Wars books. (Disagreeing with both of which will cause me to find where you live and let loose my monkeys of doom)

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Joe Staten: I did my best to be take the books into account as I wrote, and there are definitely common themes and characters. The opposite is true as well: Eric Nylund and I spoke often as he gathered is thoughts for the third Halo novel, "First Strike.

yes, that proves what im saying. THE BOOKS ARE BASED ON THE GAME, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. There obviously is a limited connection via places, time, characters, but bungie would probably not be inclined to include things that have so far been only mentioned from the book into the games. The games are 3rd party, not bungie's making. Therefore, we can almost conclude that bungie would not use this information in their games.


I could not agree with you more!


I like how you created another Bungie account just so you could compliment yourself in forum discussions. The books and games are both canon. They have also stated that if there are any conflicts, or if they wish to change anything...the games will always be considered the official story. I think we should wait until this fall when the next book comes out before we speculate about more spartans or Dr. Halsley being in H3. They could always be killed off in the next book, that way Bungie doesn't have to include them in H3. I doubt they will be in the game because as previously stated, it would confuse the people that haven't read the books (although they really should read them). I just hope they tie up loose strings within the story, even if that means killing off Linda, Kelly, Will, Fred, Dr. Halsley, and Atkinson.

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