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Posted by: DrPepperlova07
Oh....well thats one hell of a coincidence. I mean really....Halsey.......out of all people. seriously
Posted by: risay_117
No i mean the gea of the librarian resides in Halsey


It wouldn't be since she is a toned down version of The librarian.

  • 01.13.2012 8:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: risay_117
No i mean the gea of the librarian resides in Halsey


Oh.......well thats one hell of a coincidence......I mean really.....Halsey out of all people.......

They do share some parallels with each other.

  • 01.13.2012 8:39 PM PDT

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First off: GREY, you're acting like a child. No one reads your mind, nor does the fact of disagreeing with you lay grounds for being a dick.

Further more, Halsey containing the Librarian as some sort of Gaea would be a giant cop-out. I'd be horrendously disappointed and feel set apart from the Halo universe if that developed to be true.

  • 01.13.2012 9:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: prometheus25


Further more, Halsey containing the Librarian as some sort of Gaea would be a giant cop-out. I'd be horrendously disappointed and feel set apart from the Halo universe if that developed to be true.


True but it feels like that as they have deep caring for those that they have created. But although it is not that likely it may be true.

  • 01.13.2012 9:17 PM PDT

I agree with Grey on this. There was evidence in glasslands that supports it. It talks about how she felt as if the forerunner language was "familiar". In Cryptum it states that the Librarian works through luck. And whose Halsey's favorite spartan? And also the luckiest? Not to mention the obvious parallel between spartan armor and that of Forerunnner armor. I found it odd that Spartans armor could be ranked as a class 2, if i remember correctly,343GS first met the chief. Also notice that both are full body, self sustaining(the spartans may not be to the extent of forerunner but nonetheless) and were created with the ability to house an AI just like forerunner armor. Halsey created the Spartan armor. It could have all been done with Geas on Halsey but i dont think thats likely considering the luck thing. It may not be but hey its possible and there's some evidence that points to it.

  • 01.13.2012 9:17 PM PDT

yas334229812

Being familliar with Forerunner language does not mean you have the only gea all humans are familliar with forerunner language, but may just have a gea to help them decipher the tech or things they have found so that they do not have to spend years trying to understand it.

Although Halsey may have the Librarians Gea it may be in a small form, and only in certain personality factor.

  • 01.13.2012 9:19 PM PDT


Posted by: risay_117
Being familliar with Forerunner language does not mean you have the only gea all humans are familliar with forerunner language, but may just have a gea to help them decipher the tech or things they have found so that they do not have to spend years trying to understand it.

Although Halsey may have the Librarians Gea it may be in a small form, and only in certain personality factor.
I was just pointing out something that seemed rather obvious to me. Before i read Glasslands i had already formed a theory that the librarian was still alive. After reading it i came to the conclusion that Librarian was either Halsey, or working thorough Halsey. It seems quite obvious. And while all humans may be familiar with forerunner writings, they are not all familiar with how to read it. In fact i imagine most wouldn't recognize it and know its forerunnner. Only that they've seen it before. Also i doubt many humans had geas on them. It was familiar to her as if she had read it before or was use to reading it, not as if she was use to seeing it. It made out like it wasn't a common feeling for her to feel that way.

  • 01.13.2012 9:26 PM PDT

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If the Librarian is alive, as Chakas claims in the end of Primordium, how could she also be a Geae for Halsey at the same time?

  • 01.13.2012 9:29 PM PDT


Posted by: prometheus25
If the Librarian is alive, as Chakas claims in the end of Primordium, how could she also be a Geae for Halsey at the same time?
I too have been pondering this. I believe she either worked through Halsey using a Geae,, which seems more likely, or possibly IS Halsey but had to temporarily remove her memories. Perhaps Chakas has them stored somewhere and he must give them back to Halsey/Librarian. Though that doesn't seem likely. Perhaps the Librarian transfered some of her memories to Halsey and they were to lie dormant until after firing the Halo Array. Where Chakas will use the memories to find the true Librarian.

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This is really interesting...If her corporeal form was destroyed by the Halo Array, could she have put her mind/soul put into a human, I assume by the Composer, which happened to be a ancestor of Halsey to be awoken at the appropriate time?

  • 01.13.2012 9:44 PM PDT


Posted by: NakMuay4life1178
This is really interesting...If her corporeal form was destroyed by the Halo Array, could she have put her mind/soul put into a human, I assume by the Composer, which happened to be a ancestor of Halsey to be awoken at the appropriate time?
I know i have been thinking on it for sometime. One of my theories was that before leaving she used a brevet mutation to make sure her plans continued, another was that she had somehow stored herself into an AI. Though I doubt both of those. Its all quite interesting when you stop and consider the possibilities.

  • 01.13.2012 9:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: prometheus25
If the Librarian is alive, as Chakas claims in the end of Primordium, how could she also be a Geae for Halsey at the same time?
I too have been pondering this. I believe she either worked through Halsey using a Geae,, which seems more likely, or possibly IS Halsey but had to temporarily remove her memories. Perhaps Chakas has them stored somewhere and he must give them back to Halsey/Librarian. Though that doesn't seem likely. Perhaps the Librarian transfered some of her memories to Halsey and they were to lie dormant until after firing the Halo Array. Where Chakas will use the memories to find the true Librarian.


Occam's razor would have me disagree with that. It's much simpler to believe that they had no connection period.

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Posted by: DrPepperlova07
Oh....well thats one hell of a coincidence. I mean really....Halsey.......out of all people. seriously
Posted by: risay_117
No i mean the gea of the librarian resides in Halsey


It wouldn't be since she is a toned down version of The librarian.

The correct word is nerfed :D

So, how does that affect Cortana? As an AI, could see somehow have geas she is not aware of?

I mean, I would have thought she instantly knows all of her data...

[Edited on 01.13.2012 10:14 PM PST]

  • 01.13.2012 10:14 PM PDT


Posted by: prometheus25

Posted by: TDR Mudcat09

Posted by: prometheus25
If the Librarian is alive, as Chakas claims in the end of Primordium, how could she also be a Geae for Halsey at the same time?
I too have been pondering this. I believe she either worked through Halsey using a Geae,, which seems more likely, or possibly IS Halsey but had to temporarily remove her memories. Perhaps Chakas has them stored somewhere and he must give them back to Halsey/Librarian. Though that doesn't seem likely. Perhaps the Librarian transfered some of her memories to Halsey and they were to lie dormant until after firing the Halo Array. Where Chakas will use the memories to find the true Librarian.


Occam's razor would have me disagree with that. It's much simpler to believe that they had no connection period.
Ah but to discount it because its simpler would be naive. We have to consider all possibilities, though we may each pick and choose which one we favor to happen for whatever reason.

[Edited on 01.13.2012 10:26 PM PST]

  • 01.13.2012 10:25 PM PDT

I wake up to find myself
After all these years
And where all the time has gone
Still seems so unclear

I am more inclined to believe she hid away in a slipspace-encased Cryptum. (If she was on Earth, her husbands would do.)

It's more likely then "she was imprinted on Halsey." I think Halsey had a geas, but I don't think she was imprinted. Perhaps the 3rd book will elucidate this better.

  • 01.13.2012 10:56 PM PDT

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Well, we know ONI likes to make secret prisons on Forerunner structures, ie Installation 03 and Trevelyan. If ONI was on the Shield World, I would be very disappointed, but at this point ONI can do anything.

Transfer Halsey to LP, Chakas hijacked ship arrives there, Chief arrives there, big meeting.

  • 01.13.2012 11:27 PM PDT

yas334229812

The problem is that the Librarian must have imprinted her gea in the first humans and so it passed down.

Another possibility is that she placed herself in a timelock, and once that falls aparts she shall die. You could say she is halfway between life and death.

  • 01.14.2012 6:40 AM PDT

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Maybe she's on Sanghelios and that's why there is the attack there at the end of [Gl]asslands (Chakas having located her)? I realise that that is a very unlikely scenario but at this point from our perspective anything is possible.

However I find myself agreeing with grey. I've always seen clear parallels between the Librarian and Halsey, they are very similar characters. Perhaps this is the result of a gei passed down or something along those lines but if there's a candidate up for being the closest thing to the Librarian it's definitely Halsey.

If it is Halsey it would make sense of Chakas' final words: "And now I know where to find her." As he accessed human databases and would likely have discovered her location, what's critical to his dialogue is how he says he NOW knows where to find her instead of just that he knows where she is. The present tense suggests that he's only just discovered her location.

  • 01.14.2012 7:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: TDR Mudcat09
Ah but to discount it because its simpler would be naive. We have to consider all possibilities, though we may each pick and choose which one we favor to happen for whatever reason.


It's not naive at all. Suggesting the the Librarian is both alive in the corporeal sense and as a full Geae in Halsey would require assumptions beyond what the known evidence would support. When Chakas was transferred into a Ancilla, his body was destroyed. It was stated that that is what happens.

  • 01.14.2012 7:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: prometheus25

Posted by: TDR Mudcat09
Ah but to discount it because its simpler would be naive. We have to consider all possibilities, though we may each pick and choose which one we favor to happen for whatever reason.


It's not naive at all. Suggesting the the Librarian is both alive in the corporeal sense and as a full Geae in Halsey would require assumptions beyond what the known evidence would support. When Chakas was transferred into a Ancilla, his body was destroyed. It was stated that that is what happens.


Why would it be radical to assume the corporeal sense? Forerunner lifespans are indefinitie when in their suits and there are a number of ways one can survive the activation of a Halo (a Cryptum, for example).

However, whatever capacity she survives in is completely unknown with no evidence to even hint at her current state.

  • 01.14.2012 7:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: prometheus25

Posted by: TDR Mudcat09
Ah but to discount it because its simpler would be naive. We have to consider all possibilities, though we may each pick and choose which one we favor to happen for whatever reason.


It's not naive at all. Suggesting the the Librarian is both alive in the corporeal sense and as a full Geae in Halsey would require assumptions beyond what the known evidence would support. When Chakas was transferred into a Ancilla, his body was destroyed. It was stated that that is what happens.


Why would it be radical to assume the corporeal sense? Forerunner lifespans are indefinitie when in their suits and there are a number of ways one can survive the activation of a Halo (a Cryptum, for example).

However, whatever capacity she survives in is completely unknown with no evidence to even hint at her current state.


It's not radical at all, I actually believe she is. It was just suggested that Halsey may contain a Geas from the Librarian, but I believe that Chakas' comment on she being "alive" contradicts that.

My previous comment was that she would either have to be alive in the physical sense or in the form of a Geas, but I don't think both could be possible at the same time.

  • 01.14.2012 9:27 AM PDT

AFAIK a geas is "just" a line of command written into a living being, not the soul/spirit of a sentient being/forerunner - i don't see any reason why being alive should contradict existing geas, on the contrary: if the librarian was dead for x-thousand years, how could she have imposed her geas on the human Halsey, millenia later?
and in primordium it is stated that the librarian imposed geas on chakas and riser while she was still alive.



Posted by: prometheus25
My previous comment was that she would either have to be alive in the physical sense or in the form of a Geas, but I don't think both could be possible at the same time.

  • 01.14.2012 9:44 AM PDT

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