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Posted by: Quantam
I think the death of the TO resulted in the creation of a new Gravemind.

Or, it has far deeper meaning, going to the fact that ever 100,000 years the Flood must be defeated, so that the galaxy may repopulate, and the Flood to have a sustainable food supply.

I know like I sound like a retard conservationist, but what good with it do to the Flood if they consume everything, and starve afterwards?


The Precursors had a habit of wiping out other species they didn't care for. Flood comes in, wipes out the species and goes away for a while so the Precursors can start from scratch.

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Posted by: Quantam
I think the death of the TO resulted in the creation of a new Gravemind.

Or, it has far deeper meaning, going to the fact that ever 100,000 years the Flood must be defeated, so that the galaxy may repopulate, and the Flood to have a sustainable food supply.

I know like I sound like a retard conservationist, but what good with it do to the Flood if they consume everything, and starve afterwards?


The Precursors had a habit of wiping out other species they didn't care for. Flood comes in, wipes out the species and goes away for a while so the Precursors can start from scratch.

Exactly. So the Flood would not consume everything, they would only consume what was ordered/necessary of them and leave.

Which means either the Flood wants to consume all life this time, or they are simply going to feed off humans, and leave for 100,000 years.

[Edited on 01.13.2012 11:42 PM PST]

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Posted by: Quantam
I think the death of the TO resulted in the creation of a new Gravemind.

Or, it has far deeper meaning, going to the fact that ever 100,000 years the Flood must be defeated, so that the galaxy may repopulate, and the Flood to have a sustainable food supply.

I know like I sound like a retard conservationist, but what good with it do to the Flood if they consume everything, and starve afterwards?


The Precursors had a habit of wiping out other species they didn't care for. Flood comes in, wipes out the species and goes away for a while so the Precursors can start from scratch.

Exactly. So the Flood would not consume everything, they would only consume what was ordered/necessary of them and leave.

Which means either the Flood wants to consume all life this time, or they are simply going to feed off humans, and leave for 100,000 years.


After nearly being wiped out, I'm sure the Precursors aren't going to really care who or what gets consumed this time around.

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Posted by: Quantam
I think the death of the TO resulted in the creation of a new Gravemind.

Or, it has far deeper meaning, going to the fact that ever 100,000 years the Flood must be defeated, so that the galaxy may repopulate, and the Flood to have a sustainable food supply.

I know like I sound like a retard conservationist, but what good with it do to the Flood if they consume everything, and starve afterwards?


The Precursors had a habit of wiping out other species they didn't care for. Flood comes in, wipes out the species and goes away for a while so the Precursors can start from scratch.

Exactly. So the Flood would not consume everything, they would only consume what was ordered/necessary of them and leave.

Which means either the Flood wants to consume all life this time, or they are simply going to feed off humans, and leave for 100,000 years.


After nearly being wiped out, I'm sure the Precursors aren't going to really care who or what gets consumed this time around.

That makes sense, actually. Wipe out the species, repopulate the galaxy, make new, better ones.

Also, ever heard about the story of man being built of sand, brick, and wheat (or something similar).

It stated that different types of man were created,some were weak, some were selfish, become too powerful, disobeyed their gods and were annihilated by them.

Modern man is wheat, and they are slowly reaching their climax.

I think this old concept might apply...

Don't quote me on this, it is a rough memory...

  • 01.13.2012 11:52 PM PDT

Well that is of course assuming that the Flood actually need new species to consume. They could simply adapt as they are prone to doing to not have a need to consume after they absorb everything.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Quantam
I think the death of the TO resulted in the creation of a new Gravemind.

Or, it has far deeper meaning, going to the fact that ever 100,000 years the Flood must be defeated, so that the galaxy may repopulate, and the Flood to have a sustainable food supply.

I know like I sound like a retard conservationist, but what good with it do to the Flood if they consume everything, and starve afterwards?


The Precursors had a habit of wiping out other species they didn't care for. Flood comes in, wipes out the species and goes away for a while so the Precursors can start from scratch.


Very clever...

The precursors create races...If they find a race good enough...They force it to join them...The precursors werent satisfied by the forerunners so they used the flood to wipe them...

There were more races made by the precursors even before forerunners and AHE...Some got destroyed by the flood...Some got joined the precursors (Only after they were able to succeed the great test "Destroy the flood sent to them")

The forerunners did not pass the test (This test was specific for the forerunners because the other species hadnt evolved to their level)And so other species would be tested.

Note that it wasnt a test for the humans when they encountered the flood on halos since it was the covenant that released them...

Soon when the humans evolve to the level of the forerunners...They would be tested by the precursors...The precursors would do the same thing to humans as they did to forerunners....Send flood.
If the humans sucseed in defeating the flood they would be forcly joined into the precursors...If they wouldnt then they shall face the same faith of the forerunners and other species shall be tested further (ex-covenant species).

The definition of precursors from forerunners is correct...They are gods...They test species and forcibly join them into one precurors...They arent one race...They are a collection of many unique races that have passed the test.
They cant be defeated.

That is evidenced by primordial when he says "You have destroyed this kind of precursors ".



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Posted by: Quantam
I think the death of the TO resulted in the creation of a new Gravemind.

Or, it has far deeper meaning, going to the fact that ever 100,000 years the Flood must be defeated, so that the galaxy may repopulate, and the Flood to have a sustainable food supply.

I know like I sound like a retard conservationist, but what good with it do to the Flood if they consume everything, and starve afterwards?


The Precursors had a habit of wiping out other species they didn't care for. Flood comes in, wipes out the species and goes away for a while so the Precursors can start from scratch.

Exactly. So the Flood would not consume everything, they would only consume what was ordered/necessary of them and leave.

Which means either the Flood wants to consume all life this time, or they are simply going to feed off humans, and leave for 100,000 years.


After nearly being wiped out, I'm sure the Precursors aren't going to really care who or what gets consumed this time around.
I bet the forerunners werent even a small threat to precursors.

  • 01.14.2012 1:20 AM PDT

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Remember this the precursor thinks of us as his children.

So if the forerunners failed why would he consume them, nothing was as simple as you failed the test now you must die. THere is a bigger underlying point to this.

If your child fails a test then what do you do.
This is hard to for me to comprehend because if teh TO kids who are the forerrunners failed, why does he want to absorb them in. Is it to forcibly make them join what it believes is best for them so that they can sing and live in eternal unity. Hoping one among them shall accept the flood.

You see the TO is the servant, and the father of humanity and the forerunners. The flood has an importance in passing the test.

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Remember this the precursor thinks of us as his children.

So if the forerunners failed why would he consume them, nothing was as simple as you failed the test now you must die. THere is a bigger underlying point to this.

If your child fails a test then what do you do.
This is hard to for me to comprehend because if teh TO kids who are the forerrunners failed, why does he want to absorb them in. Is it to forcibly make them join what it believes is best for them so that they can sing and live in eternal unity. Hoping one among them shall accept the flood.

You see the TO is the servant, and the father of humanity and the forerunners. The flood has an importance in passing the test.


The flood is more like a cleaner/military race in the precursor alliance...

I think they make new species to find special ones with special combat/intellegence that would actually be able to withstand their military race...If they succeed they join precursors...If they dont survive...well forerunners case...If they succeed but refuse to join such a bloody race they get forced or destroyed....Thats what i think about it.

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Posted by: Quantam
I think the death of the TO resulted in the creation of a new Gravemind.

Or, it has far deeper meaning, going to the fact that ever 100,000 years the Flood must be defeated, so that the galaxy may repopulate, and the Flood to have a sustainable food supply.

I know like I sound like a retard conservationist, but what good with it do to the Flood if they consume everything, and starve afterwards?


The Precursors had a habit of wiping out other species they didn't care for. Flood comes in, wipes out the species and goes away for a while so the Precursors can start from scratch.


Very clever...

The precursors create races...If they find a race good enough...They force it to join them...The precursors werent satisfied by the forerunners so they used the flood to wipe them...

There were more races made by the precursors even before forerunners and AHE...Some got destroyed by the flood...Some got joined the precursors (Only after they were able to succeed the great test "Destroy the flood sent to them")

The forerunners did not pass the test (This test was specific for the forerunners because the other species hadnt evolved to their level)And so other species would be tested.

Note that it wasnt a test for the humans when they encountered the flood on halos since it was the covenant that released them...

Soon when the humans evolve to the level of the forerunners...They would be tested by the precursors...The precursors would do the same thing to humans as they did to forerunners....Send flood.
If the humans sucseed in defeating the flood they would be forcly joined into the precursors...If they wouldnt then they shall face the same faith of the forerunners and other species shall be tested further (ex-covenant species).

The definition of precursors from forerunners is correct...They are gods...They test species and forcibly join them into one precurors...They arent one race...They are a collection of many unique races that have passed the test.
They cant be defeated.

That is evidenced by primordial when he says "You have destroyed this kind of precursors ".




What about when ancient humanity was attacked by the flood? They were at the same level as the forerunners of that time, and they defeated their flood problem, but they lost the Human-Forerunner war...but even so, since they defeated the flood, wouldn't they have had the chance to join the precursors? I don't know...

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Posted by: Quantam
I think the death of the TO resulted in the creation of a new Gravemind.

Or, it has far deeper meaning, going to the fact that ever 100,000 years the Flood must be defeated, so that the galaxy may repopulate, and the Flood to have a sustainable food supply.

I know like I sound like a retard conservationist, but what good with it do to the Flood if they consume everything, and starve afterwards?


The Precursors had a habit of wiping out other species they didn't care for. Flood comes in, wipes out the species and goes away for a while so the Precursors can start from scratch.


Very clever...




I bet the forerunners werent even a small threat to precursors.



How is "common sense" cleaver? Yea, the forerunners weren't a threat yet they erased the precursors.


Brilliant.

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Posted by: FTW 1997

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Posted by: Quantam
I think the death of the TO resulted in the creation of a new Gravemind.

Or, it has far deeper meaning, going to the fact that ever 100,000 years the Flood must be defeated, so that the galaxy may repopulate, and the Flood to have a sustainable food supply.

I know like I sound like a retard conservationist, but what good with it do to the Flood if they consume everything, and starve afterwards?


The Precursors had a habit of wiping out other species they didn't care for. Flood comes in, wipes out the species and goes away for a while so the Precursors can start from scratch.


Very clever...




I bet the forerunners werent even a small threat to precursors.



How is "common sense" cleaver? Yea, the forerunners weren't a threat yet they erased the precursors.


Brilliant.


Never was it discussed how, or in what fashion, the Forerunners defeated the Precursors.

Common sense tells me that a society that can create and destroy life wouldn't exactly let themselves be killed off. Wouldn't an obvious solution be to leave the galaxy, the bounds, so to speak, of Forerunner control, and introduce a biological weapon, in this case the Flood, and come back when they're wiped out.

It seems obvious to me that such a species would allow the Flood to wipe out the Forerunners, and the time it took would mean nothing to them.

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Posted by: Quantam
I think the death of the TO resulted in the creation of a new Gravemind.

Or, it has far deeper meaning, going to the fact that ever 100,000 years the Flood must be defeated, so that the galaxy may repopulate, and the Flood to have a sustainable food supply.

I know like I sound like a retard conservationist, but what good with it do to the Flood if they consume everything, and starve afterwards?


The Precursors had a habit of wiping out other species they didn't care for. Flood comes in, wipes out the species and goes away for a while so the Precursors can start from scratch.


Very clever...

The precursors create races...If they find a race good enough...They force it to join them...The precursors werent satisfied by the forerunners so they used the flood to wipe them...

There were more races made by the precursors even before forerunners and AHE...Some got destroyed by the flood...Some got joined the precursors (Only after they were able to succeed the great test "Destroy the flood sent to them")

The forerunners did not pass the test (This test was specific for the forerunners because the other species hadnt evolved to their level)And so other species would be tested.

Note that it wasnt a test for the humans when they encountered the flood on halos since it was the covenant that released them...

Soon when the humans evolve to the level of the forerunners...They would be tested by the precursors...The precursors would do the same thing to humans as they did to forerunners....Send flood.
If the humans sucseed in defeating the flood they would be forcly joined into the precursors...If they wouldnt then they shall face the same faith of the forerunners and other species shall be tested further (ex-covenant species).

The definition of precursors from forerunners is correct...They are gods...They test species and forcibly join them into one precurors...They arent one race...They are a collection of many unique races that have passed the test.
They cant be defeated.

That is evidenced by primordial when he says "You have destroyed this kind of precursors ".



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Posted by: Quantam

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Quantam
I think the death of the TO resulted in the creation of a new Gravemind.

Or, it has far deeper meaning, going to the fact that ever 100,000 years the Flood must be defeated, so that the galaxy may repopulate, and the Flood to have a sustainable food supply.

I know like I sound like a retard conservationist, but what good with it do to the Flood if they consume everything, and starve afterwards?


The Precursors had a habit of wiping out other species they didn't care for. Flood comes in, wipes out the species and goes away for a while so the Precursors can start from scratch.

Exactly. So the Flood would not consume everything, they would only consume what was ordered/necessary of them and leave.

Which means either the Flood wants to consume all life this time, or they are simply going to feed off humans, and leave for 100,000 years.


After nearly being wiped out, I'm sure the Precursors aren't going to really care who or what gets consumed this time around.
I bet the forerunners werent even a small threat to precursors.


Didn't Primordial say that the Precursor race who created the Forerunners were hunted down and destroyed, but some escaped and survived? Perhaps the Forerunners won because of some internal Precursor struggle.

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Posted by: FTW 1997

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Posted by: Quantam
I think the death of the TO resulted in the creation of a new Gravemind.

Or, it has far deeper meaning, going to the fact that ever 100,000 years the Flood must be defeated, so that the galaxy may repopulate, and the Flood to have a sustainable food supply.

I know like I sound like a retard conservationist, but what good with it do to the Flood if they consume everything, and starve afterwards?


The Precursors had a habit of wiping out other species they didn't care for. Flood comes in, wipes out the species and goes away for a while so the Precursors can start from scratch.


Very clever...




I bet the forerunners werent even a small threat to precursors.



How is "common sense" cleaver? Yea, the forerunners weren't a threat yet they erased the precursors.


Brilliant.


Never was it discussed how, or in what fashion, the Forerunners defeated the Precursors.

Common sense tells me that a society that can create and destroy life wouldn't exactly let themselves be killed off. Wouldn't an obvious solution be to leave the galaxy, the bounds, so to speak, of Forerunner control, and introduce a biological weapon, in this case the Flood, and come back when they're wiped out.

It seems obvious to me that such a species would allow the Flood to wipe out the Forerunners, and the time it took would mean nothing to them.


Genemender used the word "Erased" twice, that same exact word. You could deduced from that the forerunners used whatever the precursors used to erase lifeforms against them.

And i think we both know that it is apparent now that the flood isn't some biological weapon.

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Posted by: FTW 1997

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Posted by: Quantam
I think the death of the TO resulted in the creation of a new Gravemind.

Or, it has far deeper meaning, going to the fact that ever 100,000 years the Flood must be defeated, so that the galaxy may repopulate, and the Flood to have a sustainable food supply.

I know like I sound like a retard conservationist, but what good with it do to the Flood if they consume everything, and starve afterwards?


The Precursors had a habit of wiping out other species they didn't care for. Flood comes in, wipes out the species and goes away for a while so the Precursors can start from scratch.


Very clever...




I bet the forerunners werent even a small threat to precursors.



How is "common sense" cleaver? Yea, the forerunners weren't a threat yet they erased the precursors.


Brilliant.



Huh ?
Isnt it said in primordium that they defeated one kind of precursors ?
We still dont know much about them...They might be spread out through millions of galaxies...as the flood.


If it was common sense then why havent you ever posted such a thing ?
By the way you spelled clever wrong...lol

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Posted by: grey101
And i think we both know that it is apparent now that the flood isn't some biological weapon.


It still seems the most plausible explanation.

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Posted by: grey101
And i think we both know that it is apparent now that the flood isn't some biological weapon.


It still seems the most plausible explanation.


I don't see how given the last chapters of primordium, not to mention they act like nothing like a weapon.

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And i think we both know that it is apparent now that the flood isn't some biological weapon.


It still seems the most plausible explanation.


I don't see how given the last chapters of primordium, not to mention they act like nothing like a weapon.



And the way they ignored humans was nothing ?



For those who asked about AHE:
They passed the test...But soon after that they got devolved by the forerunners...

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Posted by: grey101
And i think we both know that it is apparent now that the flood isn't some biological weapon.


It still seems the most plausible explanation.


I don't see how given the last chapters of primordium, not to mention they act like nothing like a weapon.



And the way they ignored humans was nothing ?


you do understand that the master builder was working with it right?

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Posted by: FTW 1997

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Posted by: grey101
And i think we both know that it is apparent now that the flood isn't some biological weapon.


It still seems the most plausible explanation.


I don't see how given the last chapters of primordium, not to mention they act like nothing like a weapon.



And the way they ignored humans was nothing ?


you do understand that the master builder was working with it right?


So ? He tried to infect the humans but he couldnt...even if he was working with it...
Infact if he was working with a gravemidn/primordial then couldnt the primordial tell him how to solve what he is searching for ?

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Posted by: grey101
And i think we both know that it is apparent now that the flood isn't some biological weapon.[/quote]

It still seems the most plausible explanation.[/quote]

I don't see how given the last chapters of primordium, not to mention they act like nothing like a weapon.[/quote]


And the way they ignored humans was nothing ?[/quote]

you do understand that the master builder was working with it right?


So ? He tried to infect the humans but he couldnt...even if he was working with it...
Infact if he was working with a gravemidn/primordial then couldnt the primordial tell him how to solve what he is searching for ?


Humans did get infected, that was established in the novel. Because evil masterminds wouldn't manipulate the hell out of somebody rather than tell them exactly what they need to know right?

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Posted by: grey101
And i think we both know that it is apparent now that the flood isn't some biological weapon.


It still seems the most plausible explanation.


I don't see how given the last chapters of primordium, not to mention they act like nothing like a weapon.


They act like an intelligent organism designed to assimilate all life into one form. I could find ways to turn that into a weapon. Look up unconventional warfare.

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Posted by: grey101
And i think we both know that it is apparent now that the flood isn't some biological weapon.


It still seems the most plausible explanation.


I don't see how given the last chapters of primordium, not to mention they act like nothing like a weapon.


They act like an intelligent organism designed to assimilate all life into one form. I could find ways to turn that into a weapon. Look up unconventional warfare.


It is a "weapon" yet it speaks of everything coming together for unity and wisdom?

Makes.no.sense.

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It is a "weapon" yet it speaks of everything coming together for unity and wisdom?

Makes.no.sense.

It makes sense. The Flood want unity. Because no one wants to join them willingly they resort to force. Remember we are dealing with the Flood here; they are about as alien as a species can get. Their idea of morality could be vastly different from ours.

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Anyone thought of the possibility that the Flood was a Forerunner designed weapon to eliminate the Precursors, who absorbed it to fight back?


Back during the halo 2 days, though that was ruled out since it doesn't add up whatsoever. The Flood hates the forerunners for everything they stand for.

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