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Subject: Should future Halo games/Books discussion not be allowed in Universe?

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Izak609
No matter what we say in this topic, I'd like to point out that the discussion of future Halo titles being allowed in the universe forum is really only up to Bungie; but currently, the forums descriptions and rules say that we aren't supposed to discuss content that isn't made by Bungie, I believe we should respect that until further notice.
It is okay to discuss Halo Wars, Halo: Legends, Halo: Waypoint, as long as the discussion pertains to the Halo Universe and its fictional elements. For general, non-fictional discussion (art opinions, likes/dislikes, etc.) as well as discussion covering non-Bungie games, use the Flood Forum.


I am not trying to be a Halo hater, I was trying to point out what Izak was saying. Bungie said we can't discuss non-Bungie games and Halo 4 is not a Bungie game.

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Posted by: Izak609
No matter what we say in this topic, I'd like to point out that the discussion of future Halo titles being allowed in the universe forum is really only up to Bungie; but currently, the forums descriptions and rules say that we aren't supposed to discuss content that isn't made by Bungie, I believe we should respect that until further notice.
It is okay to discuss Halo Wars, Halo: Legends, Halo: Waypoint, as long as the discussion pertains to the Halo Universe and its fictional elements. For general, non-fictional discussion (art opinions, likes/dislikes, etc.) as well as discussion covering non-Bungie games, use the Flood Forum.


I am not trying to be a Halo hater, I was trying to point out what Izak was saying. Bungie said we can't discuss non-Bungie games and Halo 4 is not a Bungie game.


You missed the point of his post. Halo Wars wasn't made by Bungie, but its part the Halo Universe. It can be discussed "as long as the discussion pertains to the Halo Universe and its fictional elements".

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but we have to consider a new universe is emerging also.
So by that logic it should be against the rules to discuss any past games made by Bungie.


No, I wish more people would talk about older Bungie games, something different.

But, all those games were MADE by Bungie, not by a different developer.

I am just seeing how people feel about future (non-Bungie) made Halo discussion. I know this is confusing having a game not being made by Bungie and having it part of the "same" universe.
Myth has been discussed on this site for years. Bungie didn't make all of those. Should Myth discussion be banned?

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And why complain. Although have rarely seen any myth, or oni, or marathon discussion. If i knew more i would have some input in them.

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In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


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Posted by: spartain ken 15
but we have to consider a new universe is emerging also.
So by that logic it should be against the rules to discuss any past games made by Bungie.


No, I wish more people would talk about older Bungie games, something different.

But, all those games were MADE by Bungie, not by a different developer.

I am just seeing how people feel about future (non-Bungie) made Halo discussion. I know this is confusing having a game not being made by Bungie and having it part of the "same" universe.
Myth has been discussed on this site for years. Bungie didn't make all of those. Should Myth discussion be banned?


Bungie made Myth 1 and Myth 2. Myth discussion should not be banned.

My point was, is it okay to talk about non-Bungie games and content if it is part of the same universe?

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Although you're correct in saying Walo Wars is allowed and isn't made by Bungie along with the other content mentioned, you have to keep in mind that the current rules and descriptions do not include future Halo titles in the example and do not mention such a situation. Although you might be right in presuming that the general feel of the forum rules and descriptions would allow such discussion, you have to keep the literal meaning of the forum rules and descriptions in mind as well.
Posted by: Deathcon 5
You missed the point of his post. Halo Wars wasn't made by Bungie, but its part the Halo Universe.

Same thing to you, but flipped around. If you don't already, keep the feeling of the rules and descriptions in mind as well as the literal meaning of them. Although, this doesn't really apply if you get the feeling from the rules and descriptions that the discussion of future Halo games' universes shouldn't be allowed.
Posted by: spartain ken 15
I am not trying to be a Halo hater, I was trying to point out what Izak was saying. Bungie said we can't discuss non-Bungie games and Halo 4 is not a Bungie game.

In conclusion, I'm saying that the general feeling of the forum's rules and descriptions are in conflict with the literal meaning of them; and that, as a result, I believe it's best in this situation to follow the literal meaning until further notice; especially because, if you follow the literal meaning, you still don't break the rules, if the feeling of the forum's rules and descriptions later comes into play.

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
No, I wish more people would talk about older Bungie games, something different.
Then create threads about older games. If people want to discuss them, they will. If not, well that's too bad.But, all those games were MADE by Bungie, not by a different developer.And?
Bungie Universe Forum: Forum-Specific Rules

* HALO UNIVERSE DISCUSSION
As noted above, discussion of the canonical elements from the Halo series may be discussed in this forum.

Canon is the fictional story of a body of material that is considered to be genuine or official.

This doesn't mean that threads can be created to discuss how awesome a Halo: Legends episode was, or that you don't like the art direction, or if someone liked/disliked a Halo book, or the achievements in Halo Wars.

Any Halo-related discussion in this forum should be directly related to the CANON of the Halo series only.

It is okay to discuss Halo Wars, Halo: Legends, Halo: Waypoint, as long as the discussion pertains to the Halo Universe and its fictional elements. For general, non-fictional discussion (art opinions, likes/dislikes, etc.) as well as discussion covering non-Bungie games, use the Flood Forum.


* Halo gameplay threads are prohibited in this forum. Use the appropriate Halo-specific forum to discuss gameplay from Halo games.
Seems pretty clear to me. So long as it isn't a gameplay element, it flies in there. This isn't the first time that a Halo game has been created by a developer other than Bungie. It wasn't a problem then, why should it be now?
I know this is confusing having a game not being made by Bungie and having it part of the "same" universe. I don't think anyone is confused by it.

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It is okay to discuss Halo Wars, Halo: Legends, Halo: Waypoint, as long as the discussion pertains to the Halo Universe and its fictional elements. For general, non-fictional discussion (art opinions, likes/dislikes, etc.) as well as discussion covering non-Bungie games, use the Flood Forum.

This sums it up. It is okay to talk about things like Halo Wars, Halo Legends, Waypoint, all of which were not made by Bungie. If you still think their is a point to argue after posting the above quote, you're mistaken.

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
Bungie made Myth 1 and Myth 2. Myth discussion should not be banned.
But they didn't make Myth 3. Which is basically what is happening with Halo. Same situation.

My point was, is it okay to talk about non-Bungie games and content if it is part of the same universe?The answer to your question is yes.

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The Universe forum is for the Halo universe in general. It doesn't matter if Bungie made the game or not, it's not really a forum to discuss the gameplay, but sequences and the plot.

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I don't think it matters if Halo is 343i's game now,, It was started by Bungie and always will have been.

  • 01.14.2012 11:49 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Bru98usa
I don't think it matters if Halo is 343i's game now,, It was started by Bungie and always will have been.


It doesn't matter for games made by Bungie but i am talking about non-Bungie Halo games. But I am thinking it is okay now, just how the rules were worded can cause confusion.

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Like I said above, your confusion makes sense because it never really says that you're allowed to talk about the future Halo titles made by 343 industries.
Posted by: spartain ken 15
But I am thinking it is okay now, just how the rules were worded can cause confusion.


[Edited on 01.14.2012 11:57 AM PST]

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
The key there is BUNGIE'S Games, Halo is now managed by 343i. I think that Halo discussion should be allowed but NOT for any future Halo games. (Halo CE, Halo 2, 3, ODST, and Reach should be okay to discuss because they were made by Bungie). But, I am kind of unsure at the same time, Halo as a series was made by Bungie but new chapters are being added that are not made by Bungie.
Yes, Halo might not be owned by Bungie, but look closely again at what the Universe forum is for.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
The Bungie Universe Forum is for discussion of all elements of the storyline, backstory, plotline, and canon elements of all Bungie games, including Halo, Marathon, Oni, Myth, and others. Additionally, this forum is for discussion about Bungie's potential future projects.
So it is entirely in the guidelines to posting in that forum. If members decide to go off on Halo titles, or the novels, then they can still do so until Bungie decides to change it. But seeing how Halo is their baby, just because they don't have it anymore doesn't mean it is forbidden to say anything about the future, or any kind of dicussion of it.

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Come on guys, you're being perverse. Ken's point that anything which didn't come directly from Bungie studios is a very good one. I for one would support the removal of Halo Wars and all the Halo books from the Universe forum - indeed, any threads of a speculative nature should also be locked. We should also ban discussion of potential future Bungie games - which are, after all, not released by Bungie.
As for Myth - well, although it has some Bungie affiliations, MumboJumbo's involvement makes the series as a whole untenable. Oni wasn't made by Bungie, but rather Bungie West - as a result, it is of course completely disgusting that the forum rules somehow permit its inclusion.

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
The Bungie Universe Forum is for discussion of all elements of the storyline, backstory, plotline, and canon elements of all Bungie games, including Halo, Marathon, Oni, Myth, and others. Additionally, this forum is for discussion about Bungie's potential future projects.

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I personally get really annoyed with discussion over recent Halo anything, as well as 343i's actions in general, on Bnet. I understand that Halo was created by Bungie originally, and I understand that there is still a dedicated Bungie community that doesn't like 343i but still loves Halo...but just, agh, go talk about it somewhere else, like the 343i forums, which are currently dying.

Whilst I wish the Bungie Universe forum could be clearly structured so that only Bungie's 5 Halo games should be allowed to be discussed in there, I recognize that that is not only awkwardly limiting, but it would just confuse people. I don't think it's common-knowledge that Bungie and Microsoft had different intentions and opinions behind the entire 10 years of Halo's storyline.

That's why I find an irritating distinctive difference. I generally divide this into:

Bungie's Halo Games/Novels/Marketing
Microsoft's Halo Games/Books/Anime/Marketing

They're completely different things if you really look into it, and they contradict eachother frequently. Hence any discrepancies. If you pay attention purely to Bungie's story, it's perfect and pristine and ultimately about love, heroes and sacrifice. If you pay attention purely to Microsoft's story, it's essentially an attempt to turn Halo into another Star Wars and generic Sci-Fi, and tends to contradict itself within itself. At least Bungie's consistent.

...

Anyway, I'd like it if once Destiny is announced, or when the next site design is live, all Halo discussion should just be diverted to halo.xbox.com because it doesn't feel right having it here anymore...

Also, someone tell the Universers to calm down. I feel like too many of them are actively looking for a fight and so convinced by their own theories that they refuse to let anyone else have a say. It's frustrating to watch.

It's my favourite forum on this site, please treat it with respect :(

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
The Bungie Universe Forum is for discussion of all elements of the storyline, backstory, plotline, and canon elements of all Bungie games, including Halo, Marathon, Oni, Myth, and others. Additionally, this forum is for discussion about Bungie's potential future projects.

I can underline things too :3

I'd interpret that as "Bungie universes".I really don't think Bungie has a problem with people talking about a world they created.

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I agree with you SonicJohn, but I also feel that there isn't anything but Halo to keep Bungie forums alive at the moment.

All there has been in the community forums is the same oscillation of topics regarding how users should be ranked, whether or not moderators are doing well, and jokes about new employees. There's nothing new here.

In the Universe forum, there's a lot of discussion going on over new topics. A lot of it is really quite interesting. And while I agree that it is factually not Bungie related, the 343i forums do not have the structure in place to support it. It's a new forum, brand new members, and it's not enough for me.

It can't remain like this forever, and I accept that. But until Bungie releases anything on their new IP, the community is going to stick with what they know.

I made a post about this a while back, writing about how the community here is either going to latch on to Halo still or lose most of its members. Attempting to excise the one thing that brings people to this site and actually generates new material would be detrimental.

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It's for Bungie created universes. Bungie created the halo universe. So it should be allowed.


Good point.

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ONI isn't Bungie's game anymore, yet you're probably okay with making threads about that.

Bungie created Halo, just because they have nothing to do with it doesn't mean it can't be discussed. I think you're just upset that more people aren't discussing Myth with you.

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I don't really care or mind. I follow the rules and if it says you can't discuss halo there, then I might as well not.

  • 01.14.2012 4:43 PM PDT

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Doesn't Myth or Oni or Marathon or something belong to another company now too? Doesn't the Universe allow them to talk about this game also?

  • 01.14.2012 5:27 PM PDT

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If you have ever been to the Underground (which at this point I highly doubt it), then you would clearly know that Halo Wars ,which is not made by Bungie, and almost all the books have nothing to do with the game developer Bungie, Inc. Therefore, there should not even be a discussion on this matter. Halo 4 and all other upcoming Halo games are products of the Halo Universe, which is a Bungie creation. Talk about the Halo Universe and Bungie is kind of the point of the Underground.

Pay attention to the rules and themes of a forum and you wouldn't have to ask these types of questions.

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