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Subject: Explain AR Starts

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Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.

I've made this thread once before but it was not thoroughly explained to me why AR starts appeal to so many.

I am not going to be flaming anyone in this thread and I do ask that people keep it civil. When searching solo or in a small team we run the risk of not only getting sub-par randoms on our team, but by extension, we run the risk of said randoms voting for a less-than-desired gametype.

I understand the difference in opinions. I do. I get that some people like certain things while others do not. But what I am confused about is what is appealing about starting with a weapon that has an effective range of 10 meters (being generous), has a limited magazine size, and more times than not it ends up being a close stalemate where the victor must seek a health pack or face the consequences.

This new Squad DLC playlist shipped with AR starts. Not entirely a problem on a map like Anchor 9 but is laughable when placed on a map like Highlands. For those of you without the Defiant Map Pack, Highlands is one of the biggest maps in the game with very open space. We're not talking moving from building to building with swift and close engagements; no, we're talking open fields and open bases. The buildings that are on this map are also fit for a DMR as they are typically 40-60 meters across. Therefore, if I see my opponent at the end of the building and she sees me, we must mock a Western shootout and walk towards each other before our weapons will be of any use.

This is what confuses me. WHY is this appealing to so many players? I am not trying to come off as condescending as I am genuinely interested in hearing why people vote for a game where your weapon is an utter joke. It is. When we got AR starts on Highlands I was literally laughing. I couldn't believe it.

Fans of the gametype, please enlighten my ignorance on the issue.

Thank you for your time and have a wonderful rest of your Saturday,

Ze Viper

[Edited on 01.14.2012 2:49 PM PST]

  • 01.14.2012 2:47 PM PDT

Okay just read it. Pretty good read actually.

So here is what I think.

Lesser skilled players do not necessarily like the assault rifle, I think most actually understand how weak it truly is. What they definitely do understand is the DMR. It can easily kill them, while in their hands, it is poorly used. They try to work around this by voting for AR starts, but what they are really doing is putting them selves at a disadvantage. Good players will hunt a DMR down and use it, while a lesser skilled player will be stuck with the AR, not being able to counter react properly.

In reality, they are hurting themselves.

[Edited on 01.14.2012 2:54 PM PST]

  • 01.14.2012 2:48 PM PDT

inb4TL:DR

Also lol AR starts.

  • 01.14.2012 2:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
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Posted by: DerpRoids
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AR starts are chosen because people want smarter players to kill them from far away with pistols, DMRs, Needle Rifles, and Snipers.

Getting killed by these ranged weapons is fun.

[Edited on 01.14.2012 2:50 PM PST]

  • 01.14.2012 2:49 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

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Posted by: Killer VVhale
Bad players have some sort of evolutionary trait that causes them to always pick AR starts. It is needed to ensure their survival.


This becomes their defacto routine, and causes them to still pick AR starts out of habit even when the map makes no sense, like Highlands.

[Edited on 01.14.2012 2:51 PM PST]

  • 01.14.2012 2:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.

You guys refer to these players as "bad" and whatnot. Fair enough, but I want to know WHY these players not only vote for it but seemingly enjoy it. After all, they vote for it time and time again.

What keeps them coming back? Or to be more precise, what keeps YOU coming back, AR start fans?

  • 01.14.2012 2:52 PM PDT

They're bad with a DMR.

  • 01.14.2012 2:53 PM PDT


Posted by: Viper Skills
You guys refer to these players as "bad" and whatnot. Fair enough, but I want to know WHY these players not only vote for it but seemingly enjoy it.


Read my edit.

  • 01.14.2012 2:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: Viper Skills


What keeps them coming back? Or to be more precise, what keeps YOU coming back, AR start fans?


This is what I'd like to know as well.

Voting AR starts to try and limit the amount of DMR usage is only slowing the inevitable at best. Good players are still going to get to the DMRs/Needle Rifles (4+ on Powerhouse, Asylum, Countdown, etc) and mow the AR'ers down eitherway.

  • 01.14.2012 2:55 PM PDT

Posted by: martrdom95
They rushed reach for the profit they built up hipe and screwed us over end of story


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Posted by: Gangster No1
Anyone who claims the AR takes skill ought to shoot himself in the head. Preferably with the AR because they'll most likely miss with any other weapon.


Posted by: TheMythicSpartan
They're bad with a DMR.

  • 01.14.2012 2:56 PM PDT
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ar starts are more skillful because they require you to use weapons besides the Dmr and pw. They let the melee attack become a prioritized weapon which imo is the most skillful weapon of all.

  • 01.14.2012 2:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.

Perhaps I will get more answers if I make this thread over at Waypoint.

  • 01.14.2012 2:58 PM PDT

because it liek adds weapon variety and stuff. for dmrs no one picks up different weapons eww.

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I actually don't mind to be honest.

  • 01.14.2012 2:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: xSwaglet
They let the melee attack become a prioritized weapon which imo is the most skillful weapon of all.


w - t - f ???

  • 01.14.2012 3:00 PM PDT

Explain AR Starts
I can't

  • 01.14.2012 3:00 PM PDT

Herp derp.


Posted by: Viper Skills
Perhaps I will get more answers if I make this thread over at Waypoint.

Waypoint lolwut.

  • 01.14.2012 3:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: xSwaglet
They let the melee attack become a prioritized weapon which imo is the most skillful weapon of all.


w - t - f ???

A troll trying to make dumb comments. Ignore him.

  • 01.14.2012 3:01 PM PDT
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it is the best weapon in reach prove me wrong

  • 01.14.2012 3:02 PM PDT

Posted by: martrdom95
They rushed reach for the profit they built up hipe and screwed us over end of story


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Posted by: Gangster No1
Anyone who claims the AR takes skill ought to shoot himself in the head. Preferably with the AR because they'll most likely miss with any other weapon.

inb4hottopic

  • 01.14.2012 3:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: Myth iZ

Posted by: xSwaglet
They let the melee attack become a prioritized weapon which imo is the most skillful weapon of all.


w - t - f ???

A troll trying to make dumb comments. Ignore him.


My troll radar broke upon entering this thread. Damn it.

  • 01.14.2012 3:03 PM PDT

Herp derp.


Posted by: xSwaglet
it is the best weapon in reach prove me wrong

...I facepalmed.

  • 01.14.2012 3:03 PM PDT