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Subject: Explain AR Starts

Herp derp.

Plasma repeaters shoot hot air. Wat is this.

  • 01.14.2012 6:16 PM PDT


Posted by: aBlueBookshelf

Posted by: crispyham

Posted by: Chris Vaguecmac
You take your AR and try to kill someone with a DMR and it is worthless
then whys he died by it so many times or at all if its worthless. you ppl seriosly need help if you cant put two and two together. this is laughable
There is such a thing as AR starts. Of course I'm going to die by it then.

In DMR starts, good luck. I have over 600 games of Squad played.

I have 250 AR deaths. That's not even a death by an AR every 2 games.

You're retarded.
so you've essentially admired that you have died by an ar, the "worthless" gun while holding a dmr. so much for Viper Skills explanation of being caught off guard.

i can see why you guys like to bring out the stats card on ppl. kinda fun to show ppl how bad they really are. xD

  • 01.14.2012 6:17 PM PDT


Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: crispyham

Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: crispyham
to the last few post above this one. its simple since you cant get it in your heads. if the ar is so worthless why do you die by it at all? if it was as worthless as you say it is then your death[b/] would be as low as dying by the plasma pistol.


You can kill anyone with anything in the game if you catch them off guard. I can camp a corner, melee someone's shields off and then finish them off with a spiker/plasma repeater/plasma pistol/plasma rifle.
so hes been caught off gaurd 1500+ times (including other weapons deaths you just mentioned). thats pretty sad


No.
We're not saying the weapon shoots hot air. We're saying it's not even close to being a weapon you want with you at all times.
then you pick up another weapon. so you pretty much admitted there that ar starts [b]force you to find another weapon. which in turn leads to more varity.

  • 01.14.2012 6:19 PM PDT

Herp derp.


Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
This is why you shouldn't drink while pregnant.

I lol'd.

  • 01.14.2012 6:19 PM PDT


Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
This is why you shouldn't drink while pregnant.
still cant back up your initial claim. or is it that that claim now seems rather foolish? and you have nothing left but to keep insulting me. sad.

  • 01.14.2012 6:20 PM PDT

Marine Corps.
Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


Posted by: crispyham
then you pick up another weapon. so you pretty much admitted there that ar starts force you to find another weapon. which in turn leads to more varity.


We do pick up another weapon. But everyone else on the map is thinking the same thing. No map has 16 DMR's on it.

  • 01.14.2012 6:20 PM PDT

Herp derp.

This thread had potential.
Then that guy showed up.

  • 01.14.2012 6:22 PM PDT

"Don't go following causes. They'll just break your heart. When idealism meets reality, it's rarely reality that backs down."

Michael Liberty, UNN

Starcraft Universe

The only thing I have to say on the matter is this:

Hasn't this been asked around 500 times in the last 6 months? and haven't people explained it each and every time, to be rewarded by a chorus of "nope ur bads" and "lol ur K/D is less than mine" every single time, by the same 50 guys?

Just saying, this has all been done before.

  • 01.14.2012 6:23 PM PDT


Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: crispyham
then you pick up another weapon. so you pretty much admitted there that ar starts force you to find another weapon. which in turn leads to more varity.


We do pick up another weapon. But everyone else on the map is thinking the same thing. No map has 16 DMR's on it.
doesn't matter the point initially is to get the person to find another weapon.

i was never here to be for or against the ar start. i just merely showed blue bookshelf that his initial claim was rather ignorant. and seems he cant refute my point so hes just resorted to insulting.

  • 01.14.2012 6:24 PM PDT

Name's John. I'm a 21-year-old firefighter/EMT from lolhio who doubles as a die-hard Halo fan. I've been enjoying the franchise since 2001. My favorite iteration of Halo would have to be Halo 2 simply because I never got to experience the joy of a full-on Halo: CE LAN.


If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Oh yeah, and boot Zome.

There once was a man who was born with an extra chromosome. This man went on to work at a little company known as Bungie. You see, Bungie was working on a little game called Halo. Unfortunately, something was missing from Halo. Halo was missing a vital component of its weapon sandbox: an automatic weapon. Thus, the assault rifle was born. This development was fine, however, the man with the extra chromosome could not seem to make it through a playtesting session without breaking down and crying from a lack of kills. You see, up until that point, the assault rifle was a pick-up only weapon. However, the rest of Bungie feared for the emotional well-being of Extra Chromosome Man and so, to soothe his soul, Bungie made it possible to start with the assault rifle. This way, Extra Chromosome Man would not have to aim in order to get kills, but those who could aim could still suffiently outslay him to win using the pistol or sniper rifle (even the assault rifle would work, but less often due to the decreased skill gap). This development, too, was okay because the players could still select which weapon type they would prefer to (a'la Slayer Pro or Slayer). However, this balance was not meant to be, for with the arrival of Halo 2 came the discarding of the assault rifle in lieu of the SMG. In addition to this, there was the advent of online play via Xbox LIVE. Somehow along the way, Extra Chromosome Man's accommodations became a mainstay for the playlists of Matchmaking. No longer could players choose between automatic or semi-automatic (or in this case, burst fire) weapons. Now, in non-specialized playlists, players would be forced to play one or the other. It was absolute chaos.

A ray of hope came with the release of Halo 3 (the AR saw its rebirthing at this point). You see, Halo 3 had implemented a voting system having learned from the mistakes of Halo 2. Unfortunately, what Bungie had not counted on in their attempts to curtail Extra Chromosome Man's accommodation rampancy was the fact that Extra Chromosome Man had many others like him. Often, AR starts would be chosen over BR starts, much to competitive players' dismay. This is a trend that would only worsen as ranked and social playlist separation was eliminated in Halo: Reach.

And so thus the AR start was born, or rather, the prevalence of AR starts.

The End

[Edited on 01.14.2012 6:27 PM PST]

  • 01.14.2012 6:26 PM PDT

"Don't go following causes. They'll just break your heart. When idealism meets reality, it's rarely reality that backs down."

Michael Liberty, UNN

Starcraft Universe


Posted by: crispyham

Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: crispyham
then you pick up another weapon. so you pretty much admitted there that ar starts force you to find another weapon. which in turn leads to more varity.


We do pick up another weapon. But everyone else on the map is thinking the same thing. No map has 16 DMR's on it.
doesn't matter the point initially is to get the person to find another weapon.

i was never here to be for or against the ar start. i just merely showed blue bookshelf that his initial claim was rather ignorant. and seems he cant refute my point so hes just resorted to insulting.


Thats just bookshelf for you. He doesn't play anymore, he just haunts the reach forums bothering other people. Pay him no mind.

  • 01.14.2012 6:26 PM PDT

Marine Corps.
Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


Posted by: crispyham
doesn't matter the point initially is to get the person to find another weapon.


What do you mean, "It doesn't matter"?

Your initial claim was that everyone should be seeking other weapons. I informed you there was not enough weapons to go around and then you say it doesn't matter.

That's a bit of a contradiction in claim, don't you think?

  • 01.14.2012 6:28 PM PDT

Herp derp.


Posted by: SPC COMMANDO

Posted by: crispyham

Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: crispyham
then you pick up another weapon. so you pretty much admitted there that ar starts force you to find another weapon. which in turn leads to more varity.


We do pick up another weapon. But everyone else on the map is thinking the same thing. No map has 16 DMR's on it.
doesn't matter the point initially is to get the person to find another weapon.

i was never here to be for or against the ar start. i just merely showed blue bookshelf that his initial claim was rather ignorant. and seems he cant refute my point so hes just resorted to insulting.


Thats just bookshelf for you. He doesn't play anymore, he just haunts the reach forums bothering other people. Pay him no mind.

He's trying to enlighten this retard. What you talkin' about.

  • 01.14.2012 6:28 PM PDT

"Don't go following causes. They'll just break your heart. When idealism meets reality, it's rarely reality that backs down."

Michael Liberty, UNN

Starcraft Universe


Posted by: aBlueBookshelf

Posted by: SPC COMMANDO

Posted by: crispyham

Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: crispyham
then you pick up another weapon. so you pretty much admitted there that ar starts force you to find another weapon. which in turn leads to more varity.


We do pick up another weapon. But everyone else on the map is thinking the same thing. No map has 16 DMR's on it.
doesn't matter the point initially is to get the person to find another weapon.

i was never here to be for or against the ar start. i just merely showed blue bookshelf that his initial claim was rather ignorant. and seems he cant refute my point so hes just resorted to insulting.


Thats just bookshelf for you. He doesn't play anymore, he just haunts the reach forums bothering other people. Pay him no mind.
Everything I've said ITT has been true. Idgaf if some random wants to ignore logic and talk out his ass.


You do know that no one cares what you have to say if all you say is insults, curses, and inquiries in to the mental health of other people. The smallest dog barks the loudest, and you bark pretty loud some times.

  • 01.14.2012 6:28 PM PDT

Marine Corps.
Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


Posted by: SPC COMMANDO


You came in to my thread with no intention of discussing the topic at hand, you simply went for Bookshelf. At least Bookshelf is remaining relevant.

  • 01.14.2012 6:30 PM PDT


Posted by: aBlueBookshelf

Posted by: crispyham

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
This is why you shouldn't drink while pregnant.
still cant back up your initial claim. or is it that that claim now seems rather foolish? and you have nothing left but to keep insulting me. sad.
My god you are retarded.

If I still played I'd 1v1 you. You could get an AR. I'd start with a DMR.

I'd even give you an OS.

Kill me once and I'd give you my account info.
LMAO thats too rich. ofc an dmr would beat an ar in a 1v1 game. i never said the ar>dmr thats not what we were even discussing to begin with.

what we were discussing, since you seem to be very slow, is that the ar is not completely worthless as you initially claimed, since you have died by it so many times. which you have yet to refute.

making some ridiculous challenge to me about some thing that we were not even discussing initially. is rather sad.

[Edited on 01.15.2012 11:31 AM PST]

  • 01.14.2012 6:30 PM PDT


Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: SPC COMMANDO


You came in to my thread with no intention of discussing the topic at hand, you simply went for Bookshelf. At least Bookshelf is remaining relevant.
he point was to show that the ar is not as worthless as you ppl seem to claim. book self just seem to be the only one who just said it directly out right.

  • 01.14.2012 6:32 PM PDT

The AR is not completely useless, there will be situations where I will use it (mainly as a melee extension) but it is not good enough to be a standalone weapon on its own.

DMR starts gives everyone a fair chance to fight back against opposition of spawn, the AR doesn't. Also the reason people die from AR starts is because not every battle is a 1v1 and there are external factors in nearly all battles (in most cases the DMR would have gotten the kill quicker then the AR but that's irrelevant). Pretty much the amount of deaths to AR's is completely dependent on the playlist you are playing.

Finally, AR starts don't really add more variety to the game. In a DMR starts game I will often keep my DMR throughout the game and replace my secondary with either a power weapon or maybe another secondary (Plasma rifle/Plasma Pistol).

In an AR starts game I will keep my pistol until I can replace it with a DMR or a Needler rifle, and I will replace my AR with either a power weapon or the previously mention secondary. There really is no more "variety" between AR starts and DMR starts simply because the pistol acts as a substitute for the DMR until I find a DMR.

  • 01.14.2012 6:32 PM PDT

Herp derp.

The AR is so bad I have seizures when I put them on my Invasion maps.

  • 01.14.2012 6:33 PM PDT