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Posted by: crispyham
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Posted by: crispyham
ofc an ar would beat an dmr in a 1v1 game.


The -blam!- am I reading.

Beirutarded.

i meant "ofc a dmr would beat an ar in a 1v1 game."

its a simple mix up.

What is ofc?

  • 01.15.2012 11:45 AM PDT


Posted by: davadude
I'll be flamed for this, but W/E. The point is, I love AR starts on any map, because I feel like it encourages map movement. You spawn with two useable but weak weapons, and you must scavenge the map in order to acquire the good stuff, like it places more emphasis on map control. That's my reasoning.

However, I agree. On BTB maps, it should be AR/DMR starts.


with dmr starts rockets, sniper, shotgun, sword, grenade launcher, and powerups encourage map movement. the map movement argument is invalid since it can be applied to both ar and dmr starts.

ar starts just make you feel weak and desperate if sommeone else picked up a dmr. how is that fun or fair?

  • 01.15.2012 11:48 AM PDT

edit. there a reason my editing is not working? oO


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  • 01.15.2012 11:48 AM PDT
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the assault rifle takes more skill than the DMR

  • 01.15.2012 11:49 AM PDT


Posted by: BrandonSullivan

Posted by: crispyham

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
The AR has always been worthless in Reach. That has never stopped kids from using it.
says the man who has 1,500 deaths and 0.85 k/d to the ar. for a "worthless" gun you seem to die by it alot.


i know you guys sort of ended this particular discussion but after reading your responses i still dont think you understand so ill enlighten you.

bookshelf has almost 5000 games played (nerd), having 1500 ar deaths means 1 ar death every 3 games. the ar is a useless weapon but if every gametype is ar starts, dying by it is inevitable. dying once every 3 games by it is a very good ratio.

it doesnt matter how good you are. you could be roy (inb4 you dont know who roy is), if youre half shields or youre going up 2v1 in cqc against ars, unless you have rockets you will die by those ARs. your argument is devoid of any logic, sorry.
the point was to illustrate that if you die by the ar at all, and bookshelf already admited to dying by the ar while holding a dmr, then that gun is not worthless as most ppl seem to be claiming.

i get its not a gun your found of. but a worhtless gun is much different then a gun your not found of.

"Ofc" is short hand for of course.

  • 01.15.2012 11:53 AM PDT


Posted by: crispyham
bookshelf already admitted to dying by an ar while holding a dmr earlier in the thread. the point was to illustrate that if that happened, which he admited to. then that gun is not worthless as most ppl seem to be claiming.

i get its not a gun your found of. but a worhtless gun is much different then a gun your not found of.


the ar actually is quite worthless when compared to the pistol, dmr, or needle rifle. im not fond of it BECAUSE its worthless.

i know what your argument will be. "but if its worthless how does it kill you". it can kill you by the scenarios viper or i have presented. caught off gaurd, double teamed, fought an ar guy when your shields were weak. its worthless compared to the previously mentioned guns, however its still a gun that can kill you given the right circumstances. youre trying to point out that bookshelfdied by ars 1500 times, but that number is actually very low for the amount of games hes played.

  • 01.15.2012 11:54 AM PDT

Posted by: BrandonSullivan
i know what your argument will be. "but if its worthless how does it kill you". it can kill you by the scenarios viper or i have presented. caught off gaurd, double teamed, fought an ar guy when your shields were weak. its worthless compared to the previously mentioned guns, however its still a gun that can kill you given the right circumstances. youre trying to point out that bookshelfdied by ars 1500 times, but that number is actually very low for the amount of games hes played.
every point you made here i addressed already earlier in the thread.

  • 01.15.2012 11:55 AM PDT

i hate ar starts in halo 3 as well, however i can admit the ars definitely had value since they beat brs close range more times than not.

in reach they dont have value, they are worthless. theyre weak, lose to any good dmr close range, and are just a burden to start with

  • 01.15.2012 11:58 AM PDT


Posted by: crispyham
Posted by: BrandonSullivan
i know what your argument will be. "but if its worthless how does it kill you". it can kill you by the scenarios viper or i have presented. caught off gaurd, double teamed, fought an ar guy when your shields were weak. its worthless compared to the previously mentioned guns, however its still a gun that can kill you given the right circumstances. youre trying to point out that bookshelfdied by ars 1500 times, but that number is actually very low for the amount of games hes played.
every point you made here i addressed already earlier in the thread.


to you it may seem like youre making points because youre the one writing it however to the rest of us, your logic makes no sense. ive read this thread, if i felt like you made a valid point, i wouldnt have challenegd it this late, however none of your points are valid imo, you just seem to be blindly defending the AR, ignoring any arguments against it.

[Edited on 01.15.2012 12:00 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 12:00 PM PDT

edit still not working


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  • 01.15.2012 12:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: RC Clone
Nope. SouthPole isn't a person. He's the avatar of the force of tryhards everywhere. He stalks the web looking for retards to set straight. He can not be stopped by mere bans or thread locks for he shall rise anew.

DMR starts are better than AR starts in every way. Anyone who says differently is bad, retarded, or both.

And Viper, I know you were trying to find out why people like AR starts without getting the "because they're bad" answer, but that is the only answer. They vote for ARs because they find it "fun". You know why they find it "fun"? Because it makes the game easier.

That's all there is to it. I'm looking at blue's post right now, and I can guarantee that the person he's arguing with is bad without even looking at his stats.

  • 01.15.2012 12:12 PM PDT

Posted by: BrandonSullivan

Posted by: crispyham
Posted by: BrandonSullivan
i know what your argument will be. "but if its worthless how does it kill you". it can kill you by the scenarios viper or i have presented. caught off gaurd, double teamed, fought an ar guy when your shields were weak. its worthless compared to the previously mentioned guns, however its still a gun that can kill you given the right circumstances. youre trying to point out that bookshelfdied by ars 1500 times, but that number is actually very low for the amount of games hes played.
every point you made here i addressed already earlier in the thread.


to you it may seem like youre making points because youre the one writing it however to the rest of us, your logic makes no sense. ive read this thread, if i felt like you made a valid point, i wouldnt have challenegd it this late, however none of your points are valid imo, you just seem to be blindly defending the AR, ignoring any arguments against it.
no i have.

you mentioned being caught off guard. thats been addressed. as for the amount of games played (been addressed as well), and considering the game type in which he plays in, the number of deaths by this worthless gun is rather high.

if the gun was truly worthless the deaths by the ar would be more akin to the deaths by a plasma pistol.

im not saying nor have i ever said that the ar is flawless. that is not the point im making. its not worthless is the point im making. please dont confuse the two.

but like i posted previously a gun your not found of is much different then a worthless gun.

  • 01.15.2012 12:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: crispyham
if the gun was truly worthless the deaths by the ar would be more akin to the deaths by a plasma pistol.

The plasma pistol is better than the AR.

What you're not understanding is that the ability to get a kill does not make the gun worthwhile.

  • 01.15.2012 12:24 PM PDT


Posted by: crispyham
no i have.

you mentioned being caught off guard. thats been addressed. as for the amount of games played (been addressed as well), and considering the game type in which he plays in, the number of deaths by this worthless gun is rather high.

if the gun was truly worthless the deaths by the ar would be more akin to the deaths by a plasma pistol.

im not saying nor have i ever said that the ar is flawless. that is not the point im making. its not worthless is the point im making. please dont confuse the two.

but like i posted previously a gun your not found of is much different then a worthless gun.


if you made valid points then people like viper would have at least recognized you for that, which i dont think he has.

once again your logic makes no sense. there 2 reasons why the plasma pistol deaths will ever be near the ar deaths. 1) no plasma pistols starts besides the rare elite slayer. 2) the point of the plasma pistol is to break your shields, not to kill. you switch out after you break their shields to your other weapon so kills arent recorded for this. i hope you knew this.

RELATIVE TO THE DMR, NEEDLE RIFLE, PISTOL the ar is useless. youve already admitted this when someone challenged you to an AR vs dmr fight. the gun when its not compared to anything has killing power sure, but compared to those weapons it is useless. compared to the plasma launcher it can even be considered good. if you havent realized this yet, were using 'worthless' as a term used for comparison. compared to a lot of weapons it is worthless. if the ar was like the halo 3 ar, then i wouldnt call it worthless because relative to the br in that game, it was decent in close range.

youre still just blindly supporting the ar. you havent provided a reason as to why the ar wasnt wothless, all your saying is "you obviously dont like it so thats why you think its worthless". defend your argument.

  • 01.15.2012 12:25 PM PDT

I don't think Reach will kill Halo, just that it's not the same, and, as young as I am, I believe Reach is for the new Generation of Gamers. I grew up with Star Fox, Mario 64, the Legend of Zelda and Halo CE, all classics in there own respect. But, the times change, and so must the classics in a sense You run around in Star Fox now, you go into space with Mario, you look like a cartoon in Zelda and you must "Lock your Armor Spartan!" In Reach

Here's the damn answer for Christ sake. Ready for this? It's not Rocket Science. Alright, for the majority of this community arguing bad player this and lolReachblowsthat, this may come as a shocker, but here it is. IT'S EASY.

There ya go. All it involves is to look at the guy and hold the trigger. No bull-blam!- pacing, no spamming for a head shot, and, if your close enough, all the bullets hit.

Does it make it a good weapon? In Reach nothing can be considered good, because, much like the game,it's crap. Like said though, it's easy to use, no bull-blam!- bloom to hold it back, just it's own pathetic existence,being a shadow of it's former glory from the AR from Halo:CE, much like the game itself being a cheap knock off of everything the book was.

  • 01.15.2012 12:37 PM PDT


Posted by: CrimsonWolf

I thought you liked the AR?

  • 01.15.2012 12:38 PM PDT

I don't think Reach will kill Halo, just that it's not the same, and, as young as I am, I believe Reach is for the new Generation of Gamers. I grew up with Star Fox, Mario 64, the Legend of Zelda and Halo CE, all classics in there own respect. But, the times change, and so must the classics in a sense You run around in Star Fox now, you go into space with Mario, you look like a cartoon in Zelda and you must "Lock your Armor Spartan!" In Reach


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Posted by: CrimsonWolf

I thought you liked the AR?


I do, but I'm not ignorant to how much it blows.

  • 01.15.2012 12:39 PM PDT

Posted by: BrandonSullivan
if you made valid points then people like viper would have at least recognized you for that, which i dont think he has.
thats a point of authority argument, which is completely irreverent to this.


once again your logic makes no sense. there 2 reasons why the plasma pistol deaths will ever be near the ar deaths. 1) no plasma pistols starts besides the rare elite slayer. 2) the point of the plasma pistol is to break your shields, not to kill. you switch out after you break their shields to your other weapon so kills arent recorded for this.
and why do you think you switch weapons. cause every one knows that the plasma pistol is worhless for killing. how ever the ar does get kills casue every know itcan kill. ty for making my point clear with that comparison.


Posted by: Sentox6
Posted by: crispyham
if the gun was truly worthless the deaths by the ar would be more akin to the deaths by a plasma pistol.

The plasma pistol is better than the AR.

What you're not understanding is that the ability to get a kill does not make the gun worthwhile.

acctually thats what matters since we are talking in terms of a fps where the worthiness of a weapon is determined by its ablity to kill.


RELATIVE TO THE DMR, NEEDLE RIFLE, PISTOL the ar is useless. youve already admitted this when someone challenged you to an AR vs dmr fight.
yes but its obvious as to why, you your self already admited it. when you typed however its still a gun that can kill you given the right circumstances. in a 1v1 game of a dmr vs an ar the ar wouldnt stand a change casue of the playing styles each person would have to use. this changes when you add another 6 ppl in the game.

and once again you seem to be confusing the ar with being worthless with me saying ar>dmr, which i never said. which was also the point of him challenging me to that 1v1. and by most ppls logic on this forum weapon control would be part of map control so it would only make sense for it to be harder on the team that didnt get the dmrs or any other power weapons right away.


the gun when its not compared to anything has killing power sure, but compared to those weapons it is useless. compared to the plasma launcher it can even be considered good. if you havent realized this yet, were using 'worthless' as a term used for comparison. compared to a lot of weapons it is worthless.
you already answered your own stamtent here when you typed "using the weapon in the right cirumstances." i really do wonder how you are making these comparison in your mind. are the two players standing in the middle of the open field on hemorrhage? cause thas what it seems you keep making the comparison to.


youre still just blindly supporting the ar. you havent provided a reason as to why the ar wasnt worthless, all your saying is "you obviously dont like it so thats why you think its worthless".
actually no i never typed "casue you dont like the weapon." i could care less if you like or dislike a weapon. but calling it worthless when it pretty much does get kills for ppl is not worthless. and as you pointed out earlier in the post, i just quoted, the reason ppl dont get kills with he plasma pistol is cause its worthless for killing. that is a worthless gun, that doesnt seem to be the case for the ar.

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Posted by: CrimsonWolf
a shadow of it's former glory from the AR from Halo:CE


glory

the AR from Halo:CE

What.

The AR from Halo 1 had no glory. It sucked back then and it sucks now. At least the one from Halo 3 was semi-decent.

  • 01.15.2012 12:50 PM PDT

I don't think Reach will kill Halo, just that it's not the same, and, as young as I am, I believe Reach is for the new Generation of Gamers. I grew up with Star Fox, Mario 64, the Legend of Zelda and Halo CE, all classics in there own respect. But, the times change, and so must the classics in a sense You run around in Star Fox now, you go into space with Mario, you look like a cartoon in Zelda and you must "Lock your Armor Spartan!" In Reach


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Posted by: CrimsonWolf
a shadow of it's former glory from the AR from Halo:CE


glory

the AR from Halo:CE

What.

The AR from Halo 1 had no glory. It sucked back then and it sucks now. At least the one from Halo 3 was semi-decent.


It had 60 rounds and I could paint the walls light blue with the blood from dead Grunts with it. Ah, "M" rated glory, how I miss you.

  • 01.15.2012 12:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: CrimsonWolf

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Posted by: CrimsonWolf
a shadow of it's former glory from the AR from Halo:CE


glory

the AR from Halo:CE

What.

The AR from Halo 1 had no glory. It sucked back then and it sucks now. At least the one from Halo 3 was semi-decent.


It had 60 rounds and I could paint the walls light blue with the blood from dead Grunts with it. Ah, "M" rated glory, how I miss you.


Campaign doesn't count. Anybody can load up a game on Normal and think they're the Angel of Death.

It was fun to use in the Campaign, I agree, but it sucked in Multiplayer.

  • 01.15.2012 12:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrimsonWolf

Posted by: And Im Here Too
Posted by: CrimsonWolf
a shadow of it's former glory from the AR from Halo:CE


glory

the AR from Halo:CE

What.

The AR from Halo 1 had no glory. It sucked back then and it sucks now. At least the one from Halo 3 was semi-decent.


It had 60 rounds and I could paint the walls light blue with the blood from dead Grunts with it. Ah, "M" rated glory, how I miss you.


Yeah, from dead grunts. Every other weapon trumped it easily.

  • 01.15.2012 12:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: tepezcuintle
Booksehelf and crispyham should 1v1. Bookshelf starts with a plasma pistol and crispyham starts with an AR. Perfect way to prove how worthless the AR is.
That'd be too easy. The plasma pistol is a much better weapon than the AR.

Not to him it isn't

  • 01.15.2012 12:55 PM PDT