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I'm not too sure why someone would vote for AR starts on a map like Highlands. They'd just get stomped on by the Sniper with no chance of fighting back.

However on smaller maps I find that it is more enjoyable with AR starts because the rest of the non-PW weaponset stands a better chance of being effective since the AR isn't nearly as powerful as the DMR.

Sure you can pick up a DMR, but it's unlikely that the whole team will. That's when the DMR is the most deadly, when every team member has the ability to pin-prick you from just about any line of sight no matter the distance. This is in deep contrast to the AR's severe lack of range and the fact that you actually have to pace shots with the Magnum for it to be effective.

I'd say I like playing with AR starts more than DMR starts because it creates an environment where randoms stand a better chance against super-duper organized teams because it makes "one-on-one" encounters more frequent rather than "one-on-one and the enemies' teammate from 50 yards away" encounters.

[Edited on 01.15.2012 12:58 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 12:56 PM PDT

I don't think Reach will kill Halo, just that it's not the same, and, as young as I am, I believe Reach is for the new Generation of Gamers. I grew up with Star Fox, Mario 64, the Legend of Zelda and Halo CE, all classics in there own respect. But, the times change, and so must the classics in a sense You run around in Star Fox now, you go into space with Mario, you look like a cartoon in Zelda and you must "Lock your Armor Spartan!" In Reach

I only really played CE campaign, so yeah, I do agree with ya there.

But really now, the Reach AR blows in campaign too.

  • 01.15.2012 12:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: tepezcuintle
Booksehelf and crispyham should 1v1. Bookshelf starts with a plasma pistol and crispyham starts with an AR. Perfect way to prove how worthless the AR is.
That'd be too easy. The plasma pistol is a much better weapon than the AR.

Not to him it isn't
No one cares what some retard thinks.

True, but this did develop into a 12 page thread because of said retard...

  • 01.15.2012 1:00 PM PDT

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Oh come on bookshelf, u know the AR is gonna be in halo 4 x)

  • 01.15.2012 1:01 PM PDT

The ar is just not an effective weapon. I hate it when it gets picked as an option. It always seems as though the good maps get ar start choices and the terrible ones get DMR starts.

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Posted by: SouthPoIe
And Viper, I know you were trying to find out why people like AR starts without getting the "because they're bad" answer, but that is the only answer. They vote for ARs because they find it "fun". You know why they find it "fun"? Because it makes the game easier.


Bro, you just put me in with the pile of idiots. :c

Maybe I like a game where you actually need to pick up other weapons. I rarely see anybody do that when I play DMR starts. Am I just getting matched up with the wrong people?

In AR starts I can pick up the DMR or the almighty Plasma Pistol (which kicks a surprising amount of ass :D) and then even an awful thumbless baddie such as I can play God on the people bum-rushing me with their pellet shooters. And if I'm lucky, I get the people with the brains to pick up the power weapons and use them efficiently.

And like I said, sometimes I just feel like using it. I realize the DMR shows more skill and may be a better starting weapon, but I'll still use the AR on a whim.

[Edited on 01.15.2012 1:09 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 1:09 PM PDT

and why do you think you switch weapons. cause every one knows that the plasma pistol is worhless for killing. how ever the ar does get kills casue every know itcan kill. ty for making my point clear with that comparison.

just because it isnt good at getting direct kills doesnt mean its wrthless. the plasma pistol is one of the best cqc weapons and weapons in general in this game. it kills indirectly, not directly. just because an AR can kill doesnt make it a good weapon. ill take the plasma pistol over the ar as a backup weapon any day.


youre taking what i wrote out of context. all i did was say the AR can kill you in the right circumstances. i never said it was efficient at doing it. in close range the dmr beats the ar (by a lot if the dmr user is any good). at mid range the dmr wins, at long range the dmr wins making the ar is significantly worse than the dmr in all respects. so it is still worthless.

so let me get this straight, you think the ar is a useful weapon simply because it has the potential to kill, regardless of the fact that other starting weapons are much ore efficient in all respects?

in fact, nvm dont answer that. im done with this conversation. i dont like name calling on the mains in threads like these, but its getting really hard to not calling you a complete idiot. im talking to an AR-loving wall. before, no one was calling you retarded because they didnt have an argument, they were doing so because your logic makes no sense.

one more thing though and im done
actually no i never typed "casue you dont like the weapon."

you wrote "you may not be fond of" like 5 times in this thread. its the same exact thing as saying "you dont like". god youre a complete idiot. oops i did it :(

  • 01.15.2012 1:14 PM PDT


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and why do you think you switch weapons. cause every one knows that the plasma pistol is worhless for killing. how ever the ar does get kills casue every know itcan kill. ty for making my point clear with that comparison.

just because it isnt good at getting direct kills doesnt mean its wrthless. the plasma pistol is one of the best cqc weapons and weapons in general in this game. it kills indirectly, not directly. just because an AR can kill doesnt make it a good weapon.
i said its not a worhtless weapon. i didnt say its a good one. you seem to be constantly confusing the meaning between a good weapon and a worhtless one. while the plasma pistol might get indirect kills. the whole point of the ar is to get direct kills. which it does. which was the whole point of me comparing the amount of deaths of the ar to the amount of deaths the the plasma pistol. cause if the ar was as bad as getting direct kills as the plasma pistol then calling the ar worthless would have some substance then.

What weapon you prefer still doesnt make a weapon worhtless. that just an opinion. dont confuse those either.


youre taking what i wrote out of context. all i did was say the AR can kill you in the right circumstances. i never said it was efficient at doing it.
it being efficient or not doesnt matter. it gets the job done, it kills. i didnt take you out of context the quote was ",however its still a gun that can kill you given the right circumstances." notice the italic part. that's not out of context. you your self typed that.


so let me get this straight, you think the ar is a useful weapon simply because it has the potential to kill, regardless of the fact that other starting weapons are much ore efficient in all respects?
i never said other weapons would or wouldnt be better. my point which im trying to make, which every one seems to be confusing with me saying ar>dmr,the ar is flawless, or is a great weapon, is that the ar is not as worthless as you think.

in fact, nvm dont answer that. im done with this conversation. i dont like name calling on the mains in threads like these, but its getting really hard to not calling you a complete idiot. im talking to an AR-loving wall. before, no one was calling you retarded because they didnt have an argument, they were doing so because your logic makes no sense.


one more thing though and im done
actually no i never typed "casue you dont like the weapon."


you wrote "you may not be fond of" like 5 times in this thread. its the same exact thing as saying "you dont like". god youre a complete idiot. oops i did it :(
that was my fault what i meant to type was "i never typed "casue you dont like the weapon you think the weapon is worthless" i left out that bold part.

and a little hostile eh?
i like you said you dont like to insult but i think the real reason is you got nothing left to say. since out of that whole post you only picked two things to target. one which i just refuted and the other was just a mistake.

[Edited on 01.15.2012 2:03 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 1:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: crispyham



Don't post again until you 1v1 Sanuel with an AR and post the game results.

  • 01.15.2012 2:01 PM PDT


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Posted by: crispyham



Don't post again until you 1v1 Sanuel with an AR and post the game results.
lol so you cant refute any of my points so your trying to tell me not to post again. lame xD

\/ read above my friend.

[Edited on 01.15.2012 2:03 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 2:02 PM PDT

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  • 01.15.2012 2:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: crispyham

Posted by: currdogg77777

Posted by: crispyham



Don't post again until you 1v1 Sanuel with an AR and post the game results.
lol so you cant refute any of my points so your trying to tell me not to post again. lame xD

\/ read above my friend.


Start by giving points to refute.
Just about everything you posted is blind ignorant crap.

  • 01.15.2012 2:07 PM PDT


Posted by: Kira Onime

Posted by: crispyham

Posted by: currdogg77777

Posted by: crispyham



Don't post again until you 1v1 Sanuel with an AR and post the game results.
lol so you cant refute any of my points so your trying to tell me not to post again. lame xD

\/ read above my friend.


Start by giving points to refute.
Just about everything you posted is blind ignorant crap.
no i have. your refusal to actually try to understand or read what im typing isnt my fault.

mind you though this has been the same thing since halo 2 come out. you guys complain make your points then when you have no more points to make. you either resort to insults. circular reasoning or straw man.

[Edited on 01.15.2012 2:14 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 2:08 PM PDT
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Hey, uh, if you like vs threads, then check out this little group right here, if you have the time. It's pretty fun, just hop right in.

Nobody is going to argue with me? My posts weren't that spectacular.

Or maybe they were just so horrible that there's no point in arguing. :c

But yeah, Crispyham, your posts have been rather point-deficient...

[Edited on 01.15.2012 2:14 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 2:13 PM PDT


Posted by: And Im Here Too
Nobody is going to argue with me? My posts weren't that spectacular.

Or maybe they were just so horrible that there's no point in arguing. :c

But yeah, Crispyham, your posts have been rather point-deficient...
the point was just to show the ar is not as worthless as ppl think it is. thats it.

  • 01.15.2012 2:15 PM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
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Posted by: aBIueBooksheIf
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Posted by: crispyham
No i have. your refusal to actually try to understand or read what im typing isnt my fault.

It is, we speak logical arguments, not the mindless ignorant rambling you post.

Posted by: crispyham
mind you though this has been the same thing since halo 2 come out. you guys complain make your points then when you have no more points to make. you either resort to insults. circular reasoning or straw man.

Pants don't go on your head.


Now once again, start by giving points to refute.
Posting retarded stuff will simply earn you people calling you a retard, exactly what has been happening.


Also, stop ignoring everything people have been telling you.

  • 01.15.2012 2:17 PM PDT

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I like AR starts cause then I can smash players with the superior weapon while they spawn with an inferior one.

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Posted by: crispyham

Posted by: And Im Here Too
Nobody is going to argue with me? My posts weren't that spectacular.

Or maybe they were just so horrible that there's no point in arguing. :c

But yeah, Crispyham, your posts have been rather point-deficient...
the point was just to show the ar is not as worthless as ppl think it is. thats it.


It's not worthless, but the fact still stands:

A player that's good with the DMR > a player that's good with the AR.

A player that's bad with the DMR > a player that's bad with the AR.

However, a person that's good with the AR will almost certainly trump somebody that's bad with the DMR.

  • 01.15.2012 2:19 PM PDT


Posted by: Kira Onime

Posted by: crispyham
No i have. your refusal to actually try to understand or read what im typing isnt my fault.

It is, we speak logical arguments, not the mindless ignorant rambling you post.

Posted by: crispyham
mind you though this has been the same thing since halo 2 come out. you guys complain make your points then when you have no more points to make. you either resort to insults. circular reasoning or straw man.

Pants don't go on your head.


Now once again, start by giving points to refute.
Posting retarded stuff will simply earn you people calling you a retard, exactly what has been happening.


Also, stop ignoring everything people have been telling you.
why dont you go reread what i already typed. please.

  • 01.15.2012 2:21 PM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
Prolonged exposure to this forum is bad for your health.


Posted by: aBIueBooksheIf
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Posted by: crispyham

Posted by: And Im Here Too
Nobody is going to argue with me? My posts weren't that spectacular.

Or maybe they were just so horrible that there's no point in arguing. :c

But yeah, Crispyham, your posts have been rather point-deficient...
the point was just to show the ar is not as worthless as ppl think it is. thats it.


You should learn to read.

COMPARED TO THE RIFLES, THE AR IS USELESS.

How many times does it have to be told to you before it fits into your head?

  • 01.15.2012 2:21 PM PDT


Posted by: And Im Here Too
Posted by: crispyham

Posted by: And Im Here Too
Nobody is going to argue with me? My posts weren't that spectacular.

Or maybe they were just so horrible that there's no point in arguing. :c

But yeah, Crispyham, your posts have been rather point-deficient...
the point was just to show the ar is not as worthless as ppl think it is. thats it.


It's not worthless, but the fact still stands:

A player that's good with the DMR > a player that's good with the AR.

A player that's bad with the DMR > a player that's bad with the AR.

However, a person that's good with the AR will almost certainly trump somebody that's bad with the DMR.
thats fine. but you said it its not worhtless, thats the only point ive been making. never said the ar>dmr.

  • 01.15.2012 2:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: crispyham

Posted by: currdogg77777

Posted by: crispyham



Don't post again until you 1v1 Sanuel with an AR and post the game results.
lol so you cant refute any of my points so your trying to tell me not to post again. lame xD

\/ read above my friend.


I don't care about any of your points. I just laugh at these threads where people challenge forum warriors to 1v1s and get smashed. I told you that for the lulz.

[Edited on 01.15.2012 2:25 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 2:25 PM PDT