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Subject: Explain AR Starts

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Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


Posted by: crispyham

Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: SPC COMMANDO


You came in to my thread with no intention of discussing the topic at hand, you simply went for Bookshelf. At least Bookshelf is remaining relevant.
he point was to show that the ar is not as worthless as you ppl seem to claim. book self just seem to be the only one who just said it directly out right.


Again, no one is claiming the gun shoots hot air and insults at the other player. We're saying it's a weapon you wouldn't pick up unless you had no secondary or you were out of ammo.

That is as good as useless if you ask me. Sure, it can come in handy but so can a toothpick.

  • 01.14.2012 6:34 PM PDT


Posted by: crispyham

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Posted by: crispyham

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
This is why you shouldn't drink while pregnant.
still cant back up your initial claim. or is it that that claim now seems rather foolish? and you have nothing left but to keep insulting me. sad.
My god you are retarded.

If I still played I'd 1v1 you. You could get an AR. I'd start with a DMR.

I'd even give you an OS.

Kill me once and I'd give you my account info.
LMAO thats too rich. ofc an ar would beat an dmr in a 1v1 game. i never said the ar>dmr thats not what we were even discussing to begin with.

what we were discussing, since you seem to be very slow, is that the ar is not completely worthless as you initially claimed, since you have died by it so many times. which you have yet to refute.

making some ridiculous challenge to me about some thing that we were not even discussing initially. is rather sad.

The AR is worthless.

  • 01.14.2012 6:34 PM PDT


Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: crispyham
doesn't matter the point initially is to get the person to find another weapon.


What do you mean, "It doesn't matter"?

Your initial claim was that everyone should be seeking other weapons. I informed you there was not enough weapons to go around and then you say it doesn't matter.

That's a bit of a contradiction in claim, don't you think?
no its not a contraction cause the "doesnt matter" is direct to there not being enough dmrs on the map.

doesn't matter if there are not enough dmrs on the map.the point initially is to get the person to find another weapon.

my fault i left out that italic part. i thought it would of been implied.

  • 01.14.2012 6:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: SPC COMMANDO


You came in to my thread with no intention of discussing the topic at hand, you simply went for Bookshelf. At least Bookshelf is remaining relevant.


Actually, I did make a comment on this already having been discussed before. The reason I personally did not add my own explanation to the subject at hand is because I have done so on several occasions, only to have him, Irie, and 12 of their alts come here to lay down a bombardment of "your retarded" and "nope ur bad" comments. Wasn't really interested in doing that dance again.

But, if you really want my explanation, here you go.

Perhaps people vote for AR starts over DMR starts for multiple reasons. Perhaps they like the AR. Perhaps they want to do something a little more exciting than taking potshots at each other from across the map.

Or, perhaps they see the tactical value of a DMR in slayer AR starts. Think about it, if everyone spawns with an AR, then the DMR has now become a power weapon. Plus, they may know that if they are at all good with the AR, and carry a DMR as well, they will be nearly unstoppable because most people are not good with the AR, giving them an advantage right out of spawn, and if they control the DMR, they now have much better control of the game.

Those are my thoughts.

  • 01.14.2012 6:36 PM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf

Damn, that was simple, wasn't it?
keep insulting with out refuting. quite funny.

  • 01.14.2012 6:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


Posted by: SPC COMMANDO
Perhaps people vote for AR starts over DMR starts for multiple reasons. Perhaps they like the AR. Perhaps they want to do something a little more exciting than taking potshots at each other from across the map.

Or, perhaps they see the tactical value of a DMR in slayer AR starts. Think about it, if everyone spawns with an AR, then the DMR has now become a power weapon. Plus, they may know that if they are at all good with the AR, and carry a DMR as well, they will be nearly unstoppable because most people are not good with the AR, giving them an advantage right out of spawn, and if they control the DMR, they now have much better control of the game.

Those are my thoughts.


Thank you.

  • 01.14.2012 6:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: Viper Skills
Explain AR Starts
Ok.

Once apon a time there was a village of Salafites that lived in the country side. These Salafites were a noble people and believed in peace liberty and justice. Then came the dark reign of noobs everyone died people got fat and then AR starts.

  • 01.14.2012 6:39 PM PDT

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Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


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Posted by: Viper Skills
Explain AR Starts
Ok.

Once apon a time there was a village of Salafites that lived in the country side. These Salafites were a noble people and believed in peace liberty and justice. Then came the dark reign of noobs everyone died people got fat and then AR starts.


So the legends are true? This thread is now void. I have obtained the answers I sought.

  • 01.14.2012 6:40 PM PDT

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Perhaps they want to do something a little more exciting than taking potshots at each other from across the map.


QUICK! HOLD DOWN RT AND OPEN FIELD RUSH EACH OTHER! DON'T BOTHER SHOOTING UNTIL THEY'RE DEAD; THAT'S WHAT YOUR FISTS ARE FOR!

  • 01.14.2012 6:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: crispyham

Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: crispyham
doesn't matter the point initially is to get the person to find another weapon.


What do you mean, "It doesn't matter"?

Your initial claim was that everyone should be seeking other weapons. I informed you there was not enough weapons to go around and then you say it doesn't matter.

That's a bit of a contradiction in claim, don't you think?
no its not a contraction cause the "doesnt matter" is direct to there not being enough dmrs on the map.

doesn't matter if there are not enough dmrs on the map.the point initially is to get the person to find another weapon.

my fault i left out that italic part. i thought it would of been implied.
Basically he's telling us to adapt in other retarded terms.

So what if there's only 1 DMR on the map, there's 12 fkn plasma pistols.

YAY VARIETY


Um....a map with 1 dmr and 12 Plasma pistols....logic is lacking here.

Don't make up stupid scenarios to pass off your argument. Thats like asking "if they told you to would you go jump off a bridge." Thats just one of those stupid questions people bring up to try and win an argument. Don't do it. Base your arguments off of existing maps, gametypes, and weapon set ups, don't BS your way through this.

  • 01.14.2012 6:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: The Ruckus 2010

Posted by: SPC COMMANDO

Perhaps they want to do something a little more exciting than taking potshots at each other from across the map.


QUICK! HOLD DOWN RT AND OPEN FIELD RUSH EACH OTHER! DON'T BOTHER SHOOTING UNTIL THEY'RE DEAD; THAT'S WHAT YOUR FISTS ARE FOR!


Try using logic to argue a point, don't act like a stupid 10 year old making fun of his sister.

  • 01.14.2012 6:42 PM PDT


Posted by: aBlueBookshelf

Posted by: crispyham

Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: crispyham
doesn't matter the point initially is to get the person to find another weapon.


What do you mean, "It doesn't matter"?

Your initial claim was that everyone should be seeking other weapons. I informed you there was not enough weapons to go around and then you say it doesn't matter.

That's a bit of a contradiction in claim, don't you think?
no its not a contraction cause the "doesnt matter" is direct to there not being enough dmrs on the map.

doesn't matter if there are not enough dmrs on the map.the point initially is to get the person to find another weapon.

my fault i left out that italic part. i thought it would of been implied.
Basically he's telling us to adapt in other retarded terms.

So what if there's only 1 DMR on the map, there's 12 fkn plasma pistols.

YAY VARIETY
no what im telling you is what seems to be one of the reasons and premise of the developers (and maybe ppl) have ar starts. you would of noticed this but you seem to be to caught up in your ego. you do know what a premise is right?

  • 01.14.2012 6:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


Posted by: SPC COMMANDO
Don't make up stupid scenarios to pass off your argument. Thats like asking "if they told you to would you go jump off a bridge." Thats just one of those stupid questions people bring up to try and win an argument. Don't do it. Base your arguments off of existing maps, gametypes, and weapon set ups, don't BS your way through this.


It's not entirely a stupid scenario. It's just a bit exaggerated. Point is, I'm not going to enjoy AR starts just because I can run around the corner and finally use a Needler (which I could use on DMR starts).

The variety argument holds no water.

  • 01.14.2012 6:42 PM PDT

Name's John. I'm a 21-year-old firefighter/EMT from lolhio who doubles as a die-hard Halo fan. I've been enjoying the franchise since 2001. My favorite iteration of Halo would have to be Halo 2 simply because I never got to experience the joy of a full-on Halo: CE LAN.


If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Oh yeah, and boot Zome.


Posted by: SPC COMMANDO

Posted by: The Ruckus 2010

Posted by: SPC COMMANDO

Perhaps they want to do something a little more exciting than taking potshots at each other from across the map.


QUICK! HOLD DOWN RT AND OPEN FIELD RUSH EACH OTHER! DON'T BOTHER SHOOTING UNTIL THEY'RE DEAD; THAT'S WHAT YOUR FISTS ARE FOR!


I can't see blatant points in hypothetical anecdotes.

I am retarded.


FTFY

  • 01.14.2012 6:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: SPC COMMANDO
Perhaps people vote for AR starts over DMR starts for multiple reasons. Perhaps they like the AR. Perhaps they want to do something a little more exciting than taking potshots at each other from across the map.

Or, perhaps they see the tactical value of a DMR in slayer AR starts. Think about it, if everyone spawns with an AR, then the DMR has now become a power weapon. Plus, they may know that if they are at all good with the AR, and carry a DMR as well, they will be nearly unstoppable because most people are not good with the AR, giving them an advantage right out of spawn, and if they control the DMR, they now have much better control of the game.

Those are my thoughts.


That's an interesting way of looking at it.

  • 01.14.2012 6:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: SPC COMMANDO
Perhaps people vote for AR starts over DMR starts for multiple reasons. Perhaps they like the AR. Perhaps they want to do something a little more exciting than taking potshots at each other from across the map.

Or, perhaps they see the tactical value of a DMR in slayer AR starts. Think about it, if everyone spawns with an AR, then the DMR has now become a power weapon. Plus, they may know that if they are at all good with the AR, and carry a DMR as well, they will be nearly unstoppable because most people are not good with the AR, giving them an advantage right out of spawn, and if they control the DMR, they now have much better control of the game.

Those are my thoughts.


Thank you.


you're welcome, now can you ask for a thread lock now. Bookshelf and his buddies are busy proving my theory that they're all talk and no brains and accomplishing nothing else. Glad I could help with your question.

  • 01.14.2012 6:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: SPC COMMANDO

Posted by: The Ruckus 2010

Posted by: SPC COMMANDO

Perhaps they want to do something a little more exciting than taking potshots at each other from across the map.


QUICK! HOLD DOWN RT AND OPEN FIELD RUSH EACH OTHER! DON'T BOTHER SHOOTING UNTIL THEY'RE DEAD; THAT'S WHAT YOUR FISTS ARE FOR!


I can't see blatant points in hypothetical anecdotes.

I am retarded.


FTFY


clever. did your mom help you think of that one?

  • 01.14.2012 6:45 PM PDT
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I like it because it varies gameplay. Never liked matches where everyone pops one another from a distance. To me, it puts a good mixed of close to long range fighting in the game.

If a player doesnt like the assault rifle then theyll run for a DMR, sniper rifle, etc. The same would apply to players who want something a bot more personal (shotgun). Either way, players are running around the map keeping up an active game.

As for larger maps, I agree. DMR's are a more appropriate choice of starting weaponry.

  • 01.14.2012 6:50 PM PDT

Name's John. I'm a 21-year-old firefighter/EMT from lolhio who doubles as a die-hard Halo fan. I've been enjoying the franchise since 2001. My favorite iteration of Halo would have to be Halo 2 simply because I never got to experience the joy of a full-on Halo: CE LAN.


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Posted by: The Ruckus 2010

Posted by: SPC COMMANDO

Posted by: The Ruckus 2010

Posted by: SPC COMMANDO

Perhaps they want to do something a little more exciting than taking potshots at each other from across the map.


QUICK! HOLD DOWN RT AND OPEN FIELD RUSH EACH OTHER! DON'T BOTHER SHOOTING UNTIL THEY'RE DEAD; THAT'S WHAT YOUR FISTS ARE FOR!


I can't see blatant points in hypothetical anecdotes.

I am retarded.


FTFY


clever. did your mom help you think of that one?


Oh cool, mom jokes. Showing the full extent of your vast intellect. And yet, you did not counter my point. Interesting.

I do see your DMR as a power weapon viewpoint (although it kind of falls apart when those people still end up doing horribly), but the argument that they want something more exciting is just retarded, something that I outlined in my AR rushing scenario which apparently went right over your head. Common side-effect of rage-reading.

  • 01.14.2012 6:50 PM PDT

Posted by: Viper Skills
The variety argument is what I'm challenging the most, though. It doesn't seem to promote any variety. The only additional weapons being used are the magnum and the AR. Coincidentally, you spawn with both of those. It's more forced variety than anything else.
See, the thing is? The magnum and AR are NOT the only other weapons being used. I can safely say I see the entire arsenal of Halo weapons used consistently in AR start games. People will drop the AR. People can drop the magnum. Sniper and AR. Shotgun Pistol. Maybe you pick up the DMR since it's more valuable now. Since not everybody has it, you now actually have an advantage having obtained it!

Besides, if you play for variety why not vote for DMR starts and have your AR as your secondary? You'll be handicapping yourself but if you play for variety I highly doubt stats matter to you.Because having an AR doesn't mean there's more variety. It's spawning with ONLY that AR that promotes variety. When you have an AR and DMR, for what purpose would you EVER pull out the AR? The DMR still beats the AR at close range. There's no purpose for it. so you might as well just spawn with a DMR, period. Once you have that weapon, there is no need to pick up any other weapon because the DMR is effective enough at all ranges where it would only ever need to be replaced with power weapons.

When everybody has a DMR, the game consists solely of the same strategies, 'map control' points, and same three or four weapons used the entire game. This is completely consistent.

AR starts? Battles can happen wherever. ANY area of the map can become the 'point to hold.' Certain weapon spawns like Plasma Weapons can become valuable since the combination of you with a Plasma weapon and a teammate with a bullet-weapon is handy just like dual DMR's.

It adds variety. My thoughts anyways.

  • 01.14.2012 6:51 PM PDT