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Subject: Campaign with the Noob

I started the Halo Series with Halo Reach and my friends suggested I should go through the entire franchise. Well I finally beat Halo and Halo 2 this last week and they say I should play Halo 3 with other players. They sadly don't have copies and I bought the last copy at our GameStop for under five dollars. So my question is, does anyone want to do it with me? I'd prefer there be three of us total, since I heard it's harder with only two people.

  • 01.14.2012 10:13 PM PDT

If you want to play around Monday I'll help.

GT: Crunch Bitten

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  • 01.14.2012 10:19 PM PDT

Sounds great! I hope I can start on and off with different people and it still counts. Kinda blew I wasn't able to pick up any Gamescore with the older games, but they were very nice games. I can see why people are into the series now for the Campaign purpose.

  • 01.14.2012 10:21 PM PDT

I can help you with the campaign.

  • 01.14.2012 10:24 PM PDT
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"If something is easy, broken, cheap or can be abused, majority of the population will support it as a legit and or skilled concept/idea. Whatever people like and or love, they will thrive on it because no matter how broken it maybe, they do not like change."

I used to play Halo 3, but then I took a Halo Reach disc to the knee.

  • 01.14.2012 10:30 PM PDT


Posted by: AdjacentGibbon7
I can help you with the campaign.


Do you know anyone else that might want to join us? i'm alright there just being two people, just more the better ya know? Haha.

  • 01.14.2012 10:32 PM PDT

I run Skirmish!!!

I feel bad that you started the halo series with reach, which was the worst of them all so far.. any true halo fan will tell you that

  • 01.15.2012 2:52 AM PDT

I don't feel to bad about starting off on Reach to be honest. Going through the first two I have noticed that there were a lot of things that were improved on during the years and Reach has turned out alright in my book. I tried Halo 3's online play while I am still waiting for someone to do the campaign with me. It's rather slow.. Sprinting and Jet-Packing is highly welcomed in my book.

  • 01.15.2012 3:19 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: II gaped II
I feel bad that you started the halo series with reach, which was the worst of them all so far.. any true halo fan will tell you that


The worst game of the franchise is CE

  • 01.15.2012 4:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: II gaped II
I feel bad that you started the halo series with reach, which was the worst of them all so far..

any true halo fan will tell you that
Sometimes that's good. Sometimes that's bad. If someone considerably intelligent starts off with Reach then encounters the other Halos, he'll find one of them better than Reach.

And yes.

Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: II gaped II
I feel bad that you started the halo series with reach, which was the worst of them all so far.. any true halo fan will tell you that


The worst game of the franchise is CE
If there's no CE, there's no Halo. Besides, Reach was an effort to return to CE. If there's no CE, there's no Reach.

Also, the levels combined make up the campaign. Imo, CE's campaign is 8/10. I blame The Library for being repetitious and Keyes for not capturing epic battles (unlike Two Betrayals, which has 3 massive battles at the end).

[Edited on 01.15.2012 11:52 AM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 11:51 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: II gaped II
I feel bad that you started the halo series with reach, which was the worst of them all so far..

any true halo fan will tell you that
Sometimes that's good. Sometimes that's bad. If someone considerably intelligent starts off with Reach then encounters the other Halos, he'll find one of them better than Reach.

And yes.

Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: II gaped II
I feel bad that you started the halo series with reach, which was the worst of them all so far.. any true halo fan will tell you that


The worst game of the franchise is CE
If there's no CE, there's no Halo. Besides, Reach was an effort to return to CE. If there's no CE, there's no Reach.

Also, the levels combined make up the campaign. Imo, CE's campaign is 8/10. I blame The Library for being repetitious and Keyes for not capturing epic battles (unlike Two Betrayals, which has 3 massive battles at the end).


Halo CE 3/10, repetitive boring gameplay, crap level designs, crap weapons and enemies and a -blam!- storyline and storytelling, only two levels, Silent Cartographer and Assault on the Control Room are actually repayable but they are still crap levels

Halo 2 8/10, fantastic story and storytelling, fun gameplay, good and varied level designs, every mission apart from Sacred Icon and Quarantine Zone are replayable. The few things that bring it down are cheesy soundtrack at parts and the poor marine AI

Halo 3 7/10, fun gameplay, good level designs, every mission is replayable, great soundtrack, great visuals and designs, storytelling could be a little better and the marine AI again bring it down

ODST 5/10, level designs are cool and the gameplay is quite fun, a few missions are replayable, great storytelling of a not so good storyline though.

Reach 6/10, good level designs, fun gameplay, actual good marine AI, not so fond of storytelling and storyline

  • 01.15.2012 12:09 PM PDT


Posted by: II gaped II
I feel bad that you started the halo series with reach, which was the worst of them all so far.. any true halo fan will tell you that

I found that Combat Evolved bought the least amount of fun. Not that is bad, but excessive playing brings repetition. Other Halo games allow many different paths and strategies. Which allow me to enjoy the gameplay for longer times, bringing more fun along with it.

[Edited on 01.15.2012 12:27 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 12:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy

Reach 6/10, good level designs, fun gameplay, actual good marine AI
Your entire point is invalidated by this preposterous claim.

Level design - Incredibly linear

Gameplay - Far from fun when I have to resort to long range tactics every single time. Where's the assassinations? Where's the grenade sticks (which are nullified against Elites)? The pink explosions (again, nullified against Elites)?

Marine AI - Vastly inferior in Reach. They turn too slowly when I want to swap weapons with them, drive horribly, charge into battle and I have to watch out for them, blow my cover, friendly fire from troopers with explosives, they get in vehicles too slowly, stand and do nothing even when there's an enemy nearby, drive off with my vehicle, don't use weapons at their proper range.

I hate to admit it, but Reach has this huge impact on people who begin with it which makes them blindly embrace it...

I hate Reach even more now. It is a form of brainwashing. As a CE purist and an experienced player of H1, H2, and H3, as well as Reach (somewhat, having tried conventional and unconventional means of killing), I am prepared to destroy, no, vanquish the contamination of Reach with the wealth of Halo knowledge I have accumulated!!

Watch out world. There is a new enemy of Reach this day!

[Edited on 01.15.2012 2:00 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 1:53 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: Mark V guy

Reach 6/10, good level designs, fun gameplay, actual good marine AI
Your entire point is invalidated by this preposterous claim.

Level design - Incredibly linear

Gameplay - Far from fun when I have to resort to long range tactics every single time. Where's the assassinations? Where's the grenade sticks (which are nullified against Elites)? The pink explosions (again, nullified against Elites)?

Marine AI - Vastly inferior in Reach. They turn too slowly when I want to swap weapons with them, drive horribly, charge into battle and I have to watch out for them, blow my cover, friendly fire from troopers with explosives, they get in vehicles too slowly, stand and do nothing even when there's an enemy nearby, drive off with my vehicle, don't use weapons at their proper range.

I hate to admit it, but Reach has this huge impact on people who begin with it which makes them blindly embrace it...

I hate Reach even more now. It is a form of brainwashing. As a CE purist and an experienced player of H1, H2, and H3, as well as Reach (somewhat, having tried conventional and unconventional means of killing), I am prepared to destroy, no, vanquish the contamination of Reach with the wealth of Halo knowledge I have accumulated!!

Watch out world. There is a new enemy of Reach this day!


Yes it is incredibly linear, but it is fun when you play on lower difficulties.

A lot of things you said about Reach AI also apply to the other games. Driving off with vehicles, blowing your cover, friendly fire and betrayals, not fighting. I prefer Reach marines because I have never encountered them doing any of these things. Perhaps I am just lucky.

Reach is so much more fun and replayable than CE. Yes, the storyline is kind of crappy, but the gameplay on lower difficulties is a fun experience, and I like it much more than CE. In fact, I might even edit my post to give CE a 2/10, its just a piece of absolute crap.

However, Halo 2 and Halo 3 are better than Reach. ODST, firefight is good, but the campaign, apart from the first and last mission, is kind of meh

  • 01.15.2012 2:09 PM PDT

So I'm going to take this thread as I'm the only one who teared up (I actually did) when Kat got sniped down. Or the bad-assery each solider was willing to perform to allow the mission to continue. It's a bit different from the Halo and Halo 2 stories I admit, but that's what gives the charm.

  • 01.15.2012 2:43 PM PDT


Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: Mark V guy

Reach 6/10, good level designs, fun gameplay, actual good marine AI
Your entire point is invalidated by this preposterous claim.

Level design - Incredibly linear

Some levels yes. Some no. LNoS is easily one of the most linear missions I've ever played.



Gameplay - Far from fun when I have to resort to long range tactics every single time. Where's the assassinations? Where's the grenade sticks (which are nullified against Elites)? The pink explosions (again, nullified against Elites)?

Disagree. Assassinations are definitely back. Grenades are buffed, but at the expense for jackal infantry. However I totally agree with you about long range tactics. You can use CQB, but it will definitely get you killed on + Heroic. Which is a shame, because my skills prioritize CQB.



Marine AI - Vastly inferior in Reach. They turn too slowly when I want to swap weapons with them, drive horribly, charge into battle and I have to watch out for them, blow my cover, friendly fire from troopers with explosives, they get in vehicles too slowly, stand and do nothing even when there's an enemy nearby, drive off with my vehicle, don't use weapons at their proper range.

Totally agree. No contests here.



I hate Reach even more now. It is a form of brainwashing. As a CE purist and an experienced player of H1, H2, and H3, as well as Reach (somewhat, having tried conventional and unconventional means of killing), I am prepared to destroy, no, vanquish the contamination of Reach with the wealth of Halo knowledge I have accumulated!!

Watch out world. There is a new enemy of Reach this day!

Reach has its up and downs. I'm sorry that you dislike it so much. My Reach work usually revolves around launching, so it does good in that field (Proof). But I can't say much about your complaints. You're definitely one of the best campaign players on this site, or even around the web. So your complaints hold more weight than mine.

  • 01.15.2012 2:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Bullet Billie
So I'm going to take this thread as I'm the only one who teared up (I actually did) when Kat got sniped down. Or the bad-assery each solider was willing to perform to allow the mission to continue. It's a bit different from the Halo and Halo 2 stories I admit, but that's what gives the charm.

Reach felt like a sacrifice of the spartans. But I felt like Bungie killed them off too easily.

  • 01.15.2012 3:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy

In fact, I might even edit my post to give CE a 2/10, its just a piece of absolute crap.
I'm afraid to admit it that they were right about you being a troll...

Posted by: InvasionImminent

Some levels yes. Some no. LNoS is easily one of the most linear missions I've ever played.
Yeah, you have a point.

Posted by: InvasionImminent

Disagree. Assassinations are definitely back.

Grenades are buffed, but at the expense for jackal infantry.

However I totally agree with you about long range tactics. You can use CQB, but it will definitely get you killed on + Heroic. Which is a shame, because my skills prioritize CQB.
I still don't like how the Elites berserk so much. It's as if Bungie knew that it would be tough to get assassinations so they intentionally included that flaw.

Buffed against lower ranking enemies.

I did see the H2 vid you uploaded the other day. Was the difficulty Normal or Heroic?

Posted by: InvasionImminent
Totally agree. No contests here.
Right.

Posted by: InvasionImminent
Reach has its up and downs. I'm sorry that you dislike it so much.

My Reach work usually revolves around launching, so it does good in that field (Proof).

But I can't say much about your complaints. You're definitely one of the best campaign players on this site, or even around the web. So your complaints hold more weight than mine.
Yeah I need to calm down.

Those people were able to take something (Reach physics) and make the best of it.

Thanks!

  • 01.15.2012 3:20 PM PDT


Posted by: Sliding Ghost
I still don't like how the Elites berserk so much. It's as if Bungie knew that it would be tough to get assassinations so they intentionally included that flaw.

Its a double edged sword. It can be used for you and against you. (mostly against you)

Buffed against lower ranking enemies.
Yup.

I did see the H2 vid you uploaded the other day. Was the difficulty Normal or Heroic?
My game save says its Heroic.

Yeah I need to calm down.
You're compassionate for your work. who can say that is a bad thing? I personally like Reach, but truth is, it gets too much credit. All you here is Reach this and Reach that. We need a revival of the older Halo games.

Those people were able to take something (Reach physics) and make the best of it.
They're warriors, that's for sure.

Thanks!
No problem.

  • 01.15.2012 4:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: InvasionImminent
You're compassionate for your work. who can say that is a bad thing? I personally like Reach, but truth is, it gets too much credit. All you here is Reach this and Reach that. We need a revival of the older Halo games.

Those people were able to take something (Reach physics) and make the best of it.
They're warriors, that's for sure.

Thanks!
No problem.
Well thanks for understanding. It just frustrates me when people say H3 had an average campaign or that H2 is inferior to Reach or that CE is too easy. Having worked in all 3 games, I can safely say they are all about the same quality compared to Reach.

Indeed, they are warriors. I consider myself a warrior in knowledge and experience rather than a fighter as I have failed with Reach.

I think I have the solution to my Reach hate problem. I need to go dark from Halo, at least until sometime after Halo 4. When H4 comes out, and everyone is busy playing the campaign, I'll be discreetly finding strategies and glitches so I can unveil them all at once! Hopefully, Halo 4 will implement what Reach failed to do.

Thanks Invasion for calming down my rage.

[Edited on 01.15.2012 4:51 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 4:48 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Posted by: Mark V guy

In fact, I might even edit my post to give CE a 2/10, its just a piece of absolute crap.
I'm afraid to admit it that they were right about you being a troll...


Then why shouldn't I call you a troll for hating Reach so much?

  • 01.16.2012 12:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Posted by: Mark V guy

In fact, I might even edit my post to give CE a 2/10, its just a piece of absolute crap.
I'm afraid to admit it that they were right about you being a troll...


Then why shouldn't I call you a troll for hating Reach so much?
Well I've pretty much given up on this whole Reach assault thing. I'm going to go dark from the Waypoint forums and from YouTube etc. so I can avoid complaining. When Halo 4 comes out, I'll have something to keep me occupied so Reach will be a forgotten memory.

Also, being an aggressor and defending one's work (H1, H2, H3 glitching, strategies) does not make one a troll. A troll is one who says stuff contrary to the obvious to get people mad.

I've been 1) on topic 2) just saying how much I hate it. Like I'm really trying to piss off Reach players. If I wanted to do that, I would be saying things like Reach sucks because AAs are not Halo or because Bloom is bad. And I have never considered those statements to be true. They just weren't implemented properly.

  • 01.16.2012 12:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: II gaped II
I feel bad that you started the halo series with reach, which was the worst of them all so far.. any true halo fan will tell you that


I agree!

  • 01.16.2012 2:36 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Posted by: Mark V guy

In fact, I might even edit my post to give CE a 2/10, its just a piece of absolute crap.
I'm afraid to admit it that they were right about you being a troll...


Then why shouldn't I call you a troll for hating Reach so much?
Well I've pretty much given up on this whole Reach assault thing. I'm going to go dark from the Waypoint forums and from YouTube etc. so I can avoid complaining. When Halo 4 comes out, I'll have something to keep me occupied so Reach will be a forgotten memory.

Also, being an aggressor and defending one's work (H1, H2, H3 glitching, strategies) does not make one a troll. A troll is one who says stuff contrary to the obvious to get people mad.

I've been 1) on topic 2) just saying how much I hate it. Like I'm really trying to piss off Reach players. If I wanted to do that, I would be saying things like Reach sucks because AAs are not Halo or because Bloom is bad. And I have never considered those statements to be true. They just weren't implemented properly.


I suppose. But personally I do feel this way about CE, I'm not just saying it to piss people off. If I actually liked it I would say so

  • 01.16.2012 9:58 AM PDT


Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: II gaped II
I feel bad that you started the halo series with reach, which was the worst of them all so far..

any true halo fan will tell you that
Sometimes that's good. Sometimes that's bad. If someone considerably intelligent starts off with Reach then encounters the other Halos, he'll find one of them better than Reach.

And yes.

Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: II gaped II
I feel bad that you started the halo series with reach, which was the worst of them all so far.. any true halo fan will tell you that


The worst game of the franchise is CE
If there's no CE, there's no Halo. Besides, Reach was an effort to return to CE. If there's no CE, there's no Reach.

Also, the levels combined make up the campaign. Imo, CE's campaign is 8/10. I blame The Library for being repetitious and Keyes for not capturing epic battles (unlike Two Betrayals, which has 3 massive battles at the end).


Halo CE 3/10, repetitive boring gameplay, crap level designs, crap weapons and enemies and a -blam!- storyline and storytelling, only two levels, Silent Cartographer and Assault on the Control Room are actually repayable but they are still crap levels

Halo 2 8/10, fantastic story and storytelling, fun gameplay, good and varied level designs, every mission apart from Sacred Icon and Quarantine Zone are replayable. The few things that bring it down are cheesy soundtrack at parts and the poor marine AI

Halo 3 7/10, fun gameplay, good level designs, every mission is replayable, great soundtrack, great visuals and designs, storytelling could be a little better and the marine AI again bring it down

ODST 5/10, level designs are cool and the gameplay is quite fun, a few missions are replayable, great storytelling of a not so good storyline though.

Reach 6/10, good level designs, fun gameplay, actual good marine AI, not so fond of storytelling and storyline

Yet another irrelevant post. You're logic for hating Halo CE last time was because it's old. AI is because it's old but it was and still is darn good for it's age. Level design only some is repetitive. Bad guns? They're the same as Halo 2 and 3? U mad?

Halo 3 and Reach were good but they lost the fun factor that CE and 2 had. You're opinion comes as you joined the series late, so you think the old games which gave rise the franchise are terrible bar Halo 2 which you think is godly thanks to the massive aim assist. You're no different from the Bad Company fans who think all the Battlefield games prior were terrible and have given us BF3 as a result of it.

You never cease to amaze me Mark V guy, keep it up.

  • 01.16.2012 10:28 AM PDT

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