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Subject: Random thought about Noble Team

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i was just reading a thread about Spartan-III's, and i had a thought. if Noble Team are supposed to be Spartan-III's, how come they don't have SPI armor like the other III's?

  • 01.14.2012 10:15 PM PDT

To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.

Reach was retarded. That was proven long ago when people's platoons were KIA yet they still lived!

  • 01.14.2012 10:28 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

They were apparently the "best of the best" and became a special squad for the Spartan III's that went on various spec ops missions. They were given MJOLNIR armor since they weren't considered suicide troopers like the rest of the III's.

  • 01.14.2012 10:40 PM PDT

To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.


Posted by: privet caboose
They were apparently the "best of the best" and became a special squad for the Spartan III's that went on various spec ops missions. They were given MJOLNIR armor since they weren't considered suicide troopers like the rest of the III's.
And that is the reason the Spartan II's should always win the spartan II's vs Spartan's III's thread. III"s were suicide troopers, II's killed the enemy in effective ways.

  • 01.14.2012 11:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
They were apparently the "best of the best" and became a special squad for the Spartan III's that went on various spec ops missions. They were given MJOLNIR armor since they weren't considered suicide troopers like the rest of the III's.
And that is the reason the Spartan II's should always win the spartan II's vs Spartan's III's thread. III"s were suicide troopers, II's killed the enemy in effective ways.


...

The S-IIIs were still effective. Alpha and Beta all went on numerous missions and battles before their respective annihilations. But hey, I'd like to see 30 S-IIs survive getting overrun by the Covenant while their only means of escape were destroyed.

  • 01.15.2012 12:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

They were an elite team within the Spartan III's. Similar to the Headhunters.

  • 01.15.2012 12:31 AM PDT

Posted by: Sigma617
The entire mentality that any sort of Spartan should be a suicide trooper is completely and wholly retarded.

The original spartans were a testament to decades of training and discipline and yielded the most impressive results humanity's ever seen. Why they chose to trade dependable hardy soldiers for cannon fodder I will never understand.


See DCobra's post above yours - they weren't 'cannon fodder', as you so dickishly and condescendingly stated. It doesn't matter how much you dick-ride the SIIs, the SIIIs, and Noble Team, were still SPARTANS.

Like it, or not.

  • 01.15.2012 10:13 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: mrhalo007

Posted by: privet caboose
They were apparently the "best of the best" and became a special squad for the Spartan III's that went on various spec ops missions. They were given MJOLNIR armor since they weren't considered suicide troopers like the rest of the III's.
And that is the reason the Spartan II's should always win the spartan II's vs Spartan's III's thread. III"s were suicide troopers, II's killed the enemy in effective ways.


...

The S-IIIs were still effective. Alpha and Beta all went on numerous missions and battles before their respective annihilations. But hey, I'd like to see 30 S-IIs survive getting overrun by the Covenant while their only means of escape were destroyed.


But you did see that...on Reach....

  • 01.15.2012 10:16 PM PDT

Posted by: privet caboose

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: mrhalo007

Posted by: privet caboose
They were apparently the "best of the best" and became a special squad for the Spartan III's that went on various spec ops missions. They were given MJOLNIR armor since they weren't considered suicide troopers like the rest of the III's.
And that is the reason the Spartan II's should always win the spartan II's vs Spartan's III's thread. III"s were suicide troopers, II's killed the enemy in effective ways.


...

The S-IIIs were still effective. Alpha and Beta all went on numerous missions and battles before their respective annihilations. But hey, I'd like to see 30 S-IIs survive getting overrun by the Covenant while their only means of escape were destroyed.


But you did see that...on Reach....


I didn't see jack.

  • 01.15.2012 10:18 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.


Posted by: ThePredkiller2


I didn't see jack.


Then you must not of read First Strike.

The Spartan II's were completely overrun in every sense of the word.

3 Spartan II's (Fred/Kelly/Joshua) single handily destroyed a Covenant battleship along with a camp of 10,000 Covenant troops.

Another trio of Spartan II's fought their way through thousands of troops to reach Admiral Whitcomb, and then they had to defend that location for weeks.

As detailed in the Halo: Reach radio messages, 11 Spartan II's took on thousands of Covenant troops in a battle and WON.

And most importantly, a small group of Spartan II's survived in Castle base, despite the thousands of troops coming after them.

EVERYTHING detailed in First Strike trumps what the III's went through.

  • 01.15.2012 10:42 PM PDT
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Spartan IIs, deployed when ODSTs are not an option. Spartan IIIs, deployed when the casualty risk of a Spartan II is too high.

But, anywho, yeah, Noble Team was supposedly the best of the IIIs, so they got special stuff.

Eh, Reach cannon.

  • 01.16.2012 2:51 AM PDT

Ghosts of onyx sort of says that they were designed to take out big/important targets or tasks that were too hard for conventional soldiers and too risky for s2's. Spartan 2s were too difficult and costly to make in large quantities but Spartan 3s were more likely to survive the procedures and had cheaper armour.

  • 01.16.2012 4:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: privet caboose

Posted by: ThePredkiller2


I didn't see jack.


Then you must not of read First Strike.

The Spartan II's were completely overrun in every sense of the word.

3 Spartan II's (Fred/Kelly/Joshua) single handily destroyed a Covenant battleship along with a camp of 10,000 Covenant troops.

Another trio of Spartan II's fought their way through thousands of troops to reach Admiral Whitcomb, and then they had to defend that location for weeks.

As detailed in the Halo: Reach radio messages, 11 Spartan II's took on thousands of Covenant troops in a battle and WON.

And most importantly, a small group of Spartan II's survived in Castle base, despite the thousands of troops coming after them.

EVERYTHING detailed in First Strike trumps what the III's went through.

And yet all the Spartans failed to defend a single generator complex.

  • 01.16.2012 4:37 AM PDT

the unsc upgraded existing spartans to mjlonir as they were running out. the Spartan 4s as seen in glasslands by karen traviss show the continuation of the spartan program.

  • 01.16.2012 5:15 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

Bungie disregarded canon when making Reach. It's no surprise.

  • 01.16.2012 6:38 AM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose

Posted by: ThePredkiller2


I didn't see jack.


Then you must not of read First Strike.

The Spartan II's were completely overrun in every sense of the word.

3 Spartan II's (Fred/Kelly/Joshua) single handily destroyed a Covenant battleship along with a camp of 10,000 Covenant troops.

Another trio of Spartan II's fought their way through thousands of troops to reach Admiral Whitcomb, and then they had to defend that location for weeks.

As detailed in the Halo: Reach radio messages, 11 Spartan II's took on thousands of Covenant troops in a battle and WON.

And most importantly, a small group of Spartan II's survived in Castle base, despite the thousands of troops coming after them.

EVERYTHING detailed in First Strike trumps what the III's went through.


Fred, Kelly, and Joshua tossed a nuke into a cruiser, whose wreckage destroyed the entire camp. And they simply flew over all the forces in banshees. Not exactly any more interesting then say Jorge pushing a button and destroying the LNOS. The troops in the camp are simply an addition, they weren't the targets anyway. Edit: Not to mention they lost Joshua in the process.

Do we even have ANY confirmation of that? That those three fought thousands to reach Whitcomb? And that they were under constant attack for weeks? Cause if the Covenant knew where Whitcomb was, they'd be dead. IIRC, they said they had been attacking the Covenant for weeks, not the other way around.

IIRC, those Spartans were backed up by marines and army troopers, and got within the enemy front line which gave them an advantage.

Inside a fortified location where they didn't truly do much large scale fighting. And the first time they did two disappeared pretty quickly.


Nothing was on the scale of trumping the S3 missions. You could place 300 Spartan 2's in SPI, and they would get wiped out in the S3 missions just as easily.

[Edited on 01.16.2012 7:30 AM PST]

  • 01.16.2012 7:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Bungie disregarded canon when making Reach. It's no surprise.

They didn't disregard it insomuch as they changed a couple details and preconceptions. You can ride the horse of "Bungie destroyed canon" all day long, but it doesn't make it a winning horse.

  • 01.16.2012 8:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sigma617

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: Sigma617
The entire mentality that any sort of Spartan should be a suicide trooper is completely and wholly retarded.

The original spartans were a testament to decades of training and discipline and yielded the most impressive results humanity's ever seen. Why they chose to trade dependable hardy soldiers for cannon fodder I will never understand.


See DCobra's post above yours - they weren't 'cannon fodder', as you so dickishly and condescendingly stated. It doesn't matter how much you dick-ride the SIIs, the SIIIs, and Noble Team, were still SPARTANS.

Like it, or not.


If you are trying to imply that Spartan IIIs were anywhere near as effective as the IIs in general combat then you are deluded. And it also seems you are ignoring the fact that vast majority of III's were cannon fodder. They were expressively designed to do so.

So no matter how much YOU dick ride the S-IIIs they are still throw away sub-Spartans.

You are on the wrong side of the fact train bud. The Spartan IIs were treated as high value soldiers whereas the Spartan IIIs were not; how each class was treated has nothing to do with how effective in combat they were. When you consider, even for a moment, than 300 teenagers in subprime armor managed to kill thousands of Covenant troops - including Sangheili - and complete their mission - not once, but twice - that is a true testament to their combat effectiveness.

If those "kids" had MJOLNIR armor and an actual means of exfil, they would not have had 100% casualties.

  • 01.16.2012 8:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose

Posted by: ThePredkiller2


I didn't see jack.


Then you must not of read First Strike.

The Spartan II's were completely overrun in every sense of the word.

3 Spartan II's (Fred/Kelly/Joshua) single handily destroyed a Covenant battleship along with a camp of 10,000 Covenant troops.

Another trio of Spartan II's fought their way through thousands of troops to reach Admiral Whitcomb, and then they had to defend that location for weeks.

As detailed in the Halo: Reach radio messages, 11 Spartan II's took on thousands of Covenant troops in a battle and WON.

And most importantly, a small group of Spartan II's survived in Castle base, despite the thousands of troops coming after them.

EVERYTHING detailed in First Strike trumps what the III's went through.

You mean the part where they tossed a nuke in the camp and "won"?

Yeah, I recall.

  • 01.16.2012 8:39 AM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein


Posted by: Sigma617
The entire mentality that any sort of Spartan should be a suicide trooper is completely and wholly retarded.

The original spartans were a testament to decades of training and discipline and yielded the most impressive results humanity's ever seen. Why they chose to trade dependable hardy soldiers for cannon fodder I will never understand.

The Spartan IIIs which were annihilated in Alpha and Beta company bought the UNSC precious time - without which the Covenant would have likely won the war much sooner.

  • 01.16.2012 8:41 AM PDT

Posted by: Sigma617
Why they chose to trade dependable hardy soldiers for cannon fodder I will never understand.


They're not 'canon fodder.' The Spartan IIIs weren't sent uselessly to their deaths as if they fought in some future Battle of Somme; the missions they embarked on truly were suicide missions -- they were supposed to be impossible without committing significant numbers and resources and time. The SIIIs changed that; they're not expendable as in they'd be sent to rush an enemy turret and buy a squad time to find cover, but when traded against the possibility of dealing a crippling blow to the Covenant war effort, the price was more than worth it.

They're not so much 'suicide soldiers' as they are the ones who achieve the impossible at any cost. 'Suicide soldier' has too many negative, uncaring and incompetent connotations that make people think the wrong thing about the SIII project's goals and although it's easy for the simple mind to call them 'cannon fodder,' the reality's far different.

  • 01.16.2012 8:51 AM PDT

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