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Subject: The Magnum

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Make it what a pistol is supposed to be. a back up "oh -blam!-" weapon used only when every other option is exhausted. A pistol is not supposed to be a primary weapon, or a cannon, but the Reach version is for some reason.

[Edited on 01.15.2012 10:46 AM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 10:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: boomdeyadah
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Halo 3 got it right.
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Halo 1's was broken as -blam!-, Halo 2's sucked, Reach's is actually semi-decent, but I think it could do without the scope, ODST's was good but I can't see it working in multiplayer.

Halo 3's was reliable if you could shoot well but wasn't too powerful either. It was also what it was meant to be - a sidearm. Not your main gun, a sidearm.

  • 01.15.2012 10:46 AM PDT

It's crazy how many people are saying that the pistol was useless in Halo 2 and 3. I can't remember what it was like in 3 but in Halo 2, duel wielded with the SMG, it kicked ass. I loved it. With the CE Magnum (if you're good enough with it), you can successfully counter any average player who has a power weapon. I love that.

In Anniversary BTB, in the Anniversary gametypes, if you're good enough with it, you spawn on an almost level playing field with power-weapon wielders. You actually have a chance. The people who were once good with the sniper rifle in default Reach are now only okay with it in Anniversary and that's because of the Magnum. In the Anniversary gametypes, somebody doing well with the sniper rifle means a lot more than it does in default. That goes for all the power weapons.

I'm betting that the people who are complaining about the Magnum being overpowered are the people who either aren't very good with it or they miss being able to grab a power weapon and dominate with it like in default.

Keep the Magnum. Take away the bloom, make it so the gun shoots slower (a solid pause between shots so people can't rapid fire it), and there's what I think would be the perfect Magnum.

  • 01.15.2012 11:59 AM PDT

Reach has the CE Pistol now in Anniversary and sometimes I mind it, sometimes I don't.

  • 01.15.2012 12:03 PM PDT


Posted by: the pib
In online multiplayer Halo CE, do you have to lead the pistol because it's not hitscan, or to compensate for lag?


Well, for starters, you have to lead every weapon, not just the pistol. Sniper, shotty, pistol, AR, all have to be lead if you want to hit anything.

CE has a slight lead requirement to begin with, and then this is amplified by how weak your connection is to the server. If a person is playing on the same machine that is hosting the server, they don't have to compensate for lag at all; they can just shoot the default lead distance and hit every shot. People connecting to the server have to deal with their "ping," i.e. time it takes to communicate with the server. A player's ping in CE PC is normally a multiple of 33, with 33 being the lowest achievable ping for a non-host player (hosts have 0). Someone with 66 ping has to lead their shots by twice as much as someone with 33 ping. 99-100 ping has to lead by three times as much, etc. Many is the Australian server where I had 266-267 ping and needed to aim four inches in front of somebody's face to get shots to register.

I also feel the need to point out that the pistol in the Anniversary playlists is not even remotely close to the pistol in CE online. It takes 3 shots to kill a player, but the similarities end there.

  • 01.15.2012 1:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: And Im Here Too
Halo 3's was reliable if you could shoot well but wasn't too powerful either. It was also what it was meant to be - a sidearm. Not your main gun, a sidearm.
The Halo 3 magnum had no place in Halo 3's weapon sandbox it was always outdone at every range. Just because it's a pistol doesn't mean it has to be a sidearm, it should be able to kill on it's own.

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Posted by: Zdann
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Halo 3's was reliable if you could shoot well but wasn't too powerful either. It was also what it was meant to be - a sidearm. Not your main gun, a sidearm.
The Halo 3 magnum had no place in Halo 3's weapon sandbox it was always outdone at every range. Just because it's a pistol doesn't mean it has to be a sidearm, it should be able to kill on it's own.


It could kill on its own. You could even dual wield it.

On the other hand, you need to realize - and I do hate to state the obvious - it's a pistol. You really shouldn't be charging the guy going on a roid rage with a bigass machine gun or semiauto with a pistol. It's best for ambushes, or mopping up that last man standing after a firefight.

Although you have a point, it could use a bit of a buff, to put it on slightly more equal footing with the other guns.

  • 01.15.2012 2:03 PM PDT

Weapons of choice: M6G .45 Magnum, .44 Magnum, M16A3/M16A4, duel hidden blades
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no matter what, i always used the magnum more than any other gun in a halo game, so its effectiveness never really bothered me. i always managed to compensate; but that sidearm will always be my main weapon, over everything else

  • 01.15.2012 2:05 PM PDT

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I just wanted a slightly larger magazine.

  • 01.15.2012 2:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: And Im Here Too
It could kill on its own. You could even dual wield it.
Again it was outdone at every range, and it's because of duel wielding that the gun sucks. Bungie pretty much had to cut the power of duel wield weapons in half making them useless on their own.

On the other hand, you need to realize - and I do hate to state the obvious - it's a pistol. You really shouldn't be charging the guy going on a roid rage with a bigass machine gun or semiauto with a pistol. It's best for ambushes, or mopping up that last man standing after a firefight.It's a video game, it doesn't have to make sense. People who say the pistol shouldn't be powerful simply just because it's a pistol doesn't make sense. If I replaced the CE pistol with a rifle with the exact same stats would you still complain? After all it's a rifle it's suppose to have long range capabilities with more stopping power than a pistol. The CE pistol was simply a rifle with a pistol skin.

Although you have a point, it could use a bit of a buff, to put it on slightly more equal footing with the other guns.Agreed.

[Edited on 01.15.2012 2:18 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 2:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zdann
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It could kill on its own. You could even dual wield it.
Again it was outdone at every range, and it's because of duel wielding that the gun sucks. Bungie pretty much had to cut the power of duel wield weapons in half making them useless on their own.

On the other hand, you need to realize - and I do hate to state the obvious - it's a pistol. You really shouldn't be charging the guy going on a roid rage with a bigass machine gun or semiauto with a pistol. It's best for ambushes, or mopping up that last man standing after a firefight.It's a video game, it doesn't have to make sense. People who say the pistol shouldn't be powerful simply just because it's a pistol doesn't make sense. If I replaced the CE pistol with a rifle with the exact same stats would you still complain? After all it's a rifle it's suppose to have long range capabilities with more stopping power than a pistol. The CE pistol was simply a rifle with a pistol skin.

Although you have a point, it could use a bit of a buff, to put it on slightly more equal footing with the other guns.Agreed.

I agree, especially with your second point. After all, the magnum being like a mini rifle gives me the excuse to sing smokin .45 by bad company every time i own people with it....makes me feel like a cowboy lol

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Posted by: Zdann
It's a video game, it doesn't have to make sense. People who say the pistol shouldn't be powerful simply just because it's a pistol doesn't make sense. If I replaced the CE pistol with a rifle with the exact same stats would you still complain? After all it's a rifle it's suppose to have long range capabilities with more stopping power than a pistol. The CE pistol was simply a rifle with a pistol skin.


"It's a video game" only goes so far, you realize. Halo is supposed to take place in our world, in the future.

[Edited on 01.15.2012 2:28 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 2:27 PM PDT
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"It's a video game" only goes so far. Halo is supposed to take place in our world, in the future.
It's a video game there are no limits to what you're allowed to do.

Gameplay > Realism

  • 01.15.2012 2:32 PM PDT

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Magnum <3

  • 01.15.2012 4:44 PM PDT

Boltshot = mini shotgun

I loved ODST's M6C/SOCOM. It was just epic. CE's was great as well.
I'm happy with either one of those in a Halo.

  • 01.15.2012 4:47 PM PDT

Posted by: Zdann
Posted by: And Im Here Too
It could kill on its own. You could even dual wield it.
Again it was outdone at every range, and it's because of duel wielding that the gun sucks. Bungie pretty much had to cut the power of duel wield weapons in half making them useless on their own.

On the other hand, you need to realize - and I do hate to state the obvious - it's a pistol. You really shouldn't be charging the guy going on a roid rage with a bigass machine gun or semiauto with a pistol. It's best for ambushes, or mopping up that last man standing after a firefight.It's a video game, it doesn't have to make sense. People who say the pistol shouldn't be powerful simply just because it's a pistol doesn't make sense. If I replaced the CE pistol with a rifle with the exact same stats would you still complain? After all it's a rifle it's suppose to have long range capabilities with more stopping power than a pistol. The CE pistol was simply a rifle with a pistol skin.

Although you have a point, it could use a bit of a buff, to put it on slightly more equal footing with the other guns.Agreed.

The .357 Magnum round from a revolver hits harder than the 5.56x45mm round shot from an assault rifle within the revolver's range. The 5.56x45mm round is the ammunition for the main rifle of the U.S. military. The 5.56x45mm round is criticized as being very weak, but that's because it was developed to be cheap to make, easy to shoot (small, not very powerful, easy recoil), and extremely accurate at long ranges while most handgun ammunition is designed to hit hard at short-to-mid range, put the enemy down quickly, and to be reasonably accurate within short-to-mid range. The Magnum being more powerful than, say: the DMR, within a certain distance, isn't far fetched.

  • 01.15.2012 4:50 PM PDT

I am fond of the M6G Personal Defense Weapon System from Reach. It combined a good amount of power with a decent rate of fire.

If I could change one thing, I would make it so the magazine holds 12 to 17 rounds. I think eight is a little unrealistic for a handgun of the future. That is just my opinion, however.

  • 01.15.2012 5:57 PM PDT

I like to play Reach for fun. I hate MLG, campers, armor lock, and team killers because they ruin that fun. Deal with it.

I actually would like it to be like the ODST magnum.

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Posted by: ODSTworrior94
I actually would like it to be like the ODST magnum.


In MatchMaking? I can't see that working...maybe in FireFight, but it isn't really a Multiplayer weapon.

  • 01.15.2012 6:50 PM PDT

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