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Subject: Does SWAT Take Skill?

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

Yes. It takes skill to go positive in SWAT. To be able to avoid the enemy and be precise to make sure he cant avoid you

I am good at killing in SWAT but I die a lot too

  • 01.15.2012 12:12 PM PDT

"To me, a nice triple kill with the sniper is infinitely more impressive than any Living Dead Killionaire"

Does flaming people on forums count as an esport?

I'm a commendation/achievement/statistics freak.

-David (Drake)

Yes, in a way. It takes more focus and concentration due to everyone always being one shot. I find that it plays more like a CoD game (whoever sees the other first wins the gunfight) and I don't like that. I think SWAT takes minimal skill, and that's part of why it has one of the higher playlist populations on Reach. What takes more skill, seeing some dude half a second before and popping him in the head for a kill OR winning a DMR fight with weak shields by out-strafing my opponent and 5 shotting him? Obviously the latter. SWAT takes out so many key elements of Halo including weapon control (which also increases movement because you have to move to grab that new sniper rifle or those new rockets), teamshots (why bother when it just makes a free double kill for the enemy) and grouping together (it's just an Overkill Exterm for the sneaky guy who sees you all).

In short, yes SWAT takes skill, but it takes far less than almost any other gametype. It plays more like CoD because of instantaneous kill times. For this reason, I dislike SWAT, and I think that people who start Halo playing SWAT aren't actually playing what Halo should be. They're essentially playing CoD.

  • 01.15.2012 12:16 PM PDT

@Sentox6

I disagree about the generous kill trade window you describe. I rarely trade kills in SWAT and the times that it does occur are in laggy games. I don't know where you are located geographically but most of the games I play in SWAT, connection does not play a large role. I live in a highly populated area of the United States so perhaps if you are from New Zealand you may be experiencing laggy games more frequently than I do.

In regards to aim assist and bullet magnetism, I disagree but regardless, couldn't the same be said for Slayer? I have never fired a shot that I knew I missed and had it register as a kill.

The question you pose at the end of your post is akin to asking "What takes more skill: building a house or being a quarterback?" Well building a house certainly has a large SET of skills required but no matter what some people will never be a quarterback because they cannot quickly and accurately put the ball where they want.

  • 01.15.2012 12:22 PM PDT

SWAT?

Man I haven't played that in ages. It needs Zero Bloom though.

Edit: OT: Anything in the game takes skill. Even, god forbid, Armor Lock. The real argument is whether or not something is fit for competitive play.

[Edited on 01.15.2012 12:39 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 12:39 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Life is a journey, if you spend all of it with your nose in your map, you may miss some of the best parts.

Yeah it takes skill.

It just takes less skill than other playlists.

  • 01.15.2012 12:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: MajorGroove
Yes, SWAT does take skill. Knowing when to sprint and when not to sprint takes skill and that is just a minor part of SWAT.
Lol'd

  • 01.15.2012 1:00 PM PDT


Posted by: Light Magician

Posted by: MajorGroove
Yes, SWAT does take skill. Knowing when to sprint and when not to sprint takes skill and that is just a minor part of SWAT.
Lol'd


Link your gamertag so I can lol at your stats.

  • 01.15.2012 1:01 PM PDT
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For SWAT, skill=reaction time. So, mainly if you drink a lot of caffeine you become the Tim Tebow of SWAT. True story.

  • 01.15.2012 1:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: MajorGroove
You have the EXACT same amount of playtime in SWAT, as I do in all of MM. I bet you think you're good, because you headshot thumbless downies for nearly 20 days straight. Lol

  • 01.15.2012 1:11 PM PDT
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Hey, uh, if you like vs threads, then check out this little group right here, if you have the time. It's pretty fun, just hop right in.

It takes some skill, just not nearly as much as most other playlists.

  • 01.15.2012 1:12 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

Reach host ranking algorithm: (a*quit_percentage + b*isMexican + c*(1/KDR) + d*hasGuest) * 100
where a > b = d > c

Posted by: Light Magician
Posted by: MajorGroove
You have the EXACT same amount of playtime in SWAT, as I do in all of MM. I bet you think you're good, because you headshot thumbless downies for nearly 20 days straight. Lol

Actually, he's good because he has a HaloTracker 50 and Onyx in SWAT.

<_<

  • 01.15.2012 1:13 PM PDT

There are definitely good swat players. Swat is more about knowing spawn cycles. If you have a general idea of wher the other team spawns, your team will do well if you can aim

  • 01.15.2012 1:15 PM PDT


Posted by: Sentox6
Posted by: Light Magician
Posted by: MajorGroove
You have the EXACT same amount of playtime in SWAT, as I do in all of MM. I bet you think you're good, because you headshot thumbless downies for nearly 20 days straight. Lol

Actually, he's good because he has a HaloTracker 50 and Onyx in SWAT.

<_<


I'm also ranked in the top 50 players in the world on Halotracker's SWAT True Skill leaderboard.

  • 01.15.2012 1:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sentox6
Posted by: Light Magician
Posted by: MajorGroove
You have the EXACT same amount of playtime in SWAT, as I do in all of MM. I bet you think you're good, because you headshot thumbless downies for nearly 20 days straight. Lol

Actually, he's good because he has a HaloTracker 50 and Onyx in SWAT.

<_<
not sure if srs

  • 01.15.2012 1:20 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

Reach host ranking algorithm: (a*quit_percentage + b*isMexican + c*(1/KDR) + d*hasGuest) * 100
where a > b = d > c

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Posted by: Sentox6
Actually, he's good because he has a HaloTracker 50 and Onyx in SWAT.

<_<

I'm also ranked in the top 50 players in the world on Halotracker's SWAT True Skill leaderboard.

Considering your stats as a whole, this pretty much confirms the general consensus: SWAT takes skill, but considerably less than most other playlists.

Posted by: Light Magician
not sure if srs

Oh, very serious.

[Edited on 01.15.2012 1:24 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 1:22 PM PDT
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After seeing this, I'm pretty sure I just won the argument. kthxbai

  • 01.15.2012 1:26 PM PDT


Posted by: Light Magician
After seeing this, I'm pretty sure I just won the argument. kthxbai


Yes because when I was in college getting an education, something that you could use, I cared deeply about my video game skills. Not studying, partying, and having sex. Nope those weren't important to me. My Halo 3 stats were what really mattered to me.

  • 01.15.2012 1:32 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

Reach host ranking algorithm: (a*quit_percentage + b*isMexican + c*(1/KDR) + d*hasGuest) * 100
where a > b = d > c

Posted by: MajorGroove
Yes because when I was in college getting an education, something that you could use, I cared deeply about my video game skills. Not studying, partying, and having sex. Nope those weren't important to me. My Halo 3 stats were what really mattered to me.

Life check.

Fkn LOL.

  • 01.15.2012 1:33 PM PDT

Marine Corps.
Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.

A lot less than default Halo, but yeah. It was not a difficult 50 to get in Halo 3.

  • 01.15.2012 1:34 PM PDT


Posted by: Sentox6
Posted by: MajorGroove
Yes because when I was in college getting an education, something that you could use, I cared deeply about my video game skills. Not studying, partying, and having sex. Nope those weren't important to me. My Halo 3 stats were what really mattered to me.

Life check.

Fkn LOL.


You don't even have a 50.

Stat check. Fkn LOL.

  • 01.15.2012 1:35 PM PDT

Posted by: MajorGroove
You pulled a life check and a stat check. You're embarrassing yourself.

  • 01.15.2012 1:37 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

Reach host ranking algorithm: (a*quit_percentage + b*isMexican + c*(1/KDR) + d*hasGuest) * 100
where a > b = d > c

Posted by: MajorGroove
So someone stat checks you, and you life check them back.

Then someone calls you out for being a life check retard, and you stat check them back.

You're so awesome.

  • 01.15.2012 1:37 PM PDT

Swat does not take skill.
Setups are incredibily easy to break, because they don't know exactly where you spawn, but you know exactly where they are waiting for you to spawn.
Swat is for connection warriors.

  • 01.15.2012 1:39 PM PDT

How about people realize that Halo 3 is not relevant at all to reach. No stat checks are needed. There are defintely people who are better than others at swat. It isnt the most skilled playlist though.

  • 01.15.2012 1:39 PM PDT

If I cared about how you nerds percive me I would have created a new account to try hard on. I don't so I didn't.

  • 01.15.2012 1:40 PM PDT

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