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Subject: Bungie's new game (Destiny)

The Super Quick Version: Destiny will be a new hybrid genre with a single persistent universe that is cross platform, possibly cross generation and multi device enabled which mixes MMO, RPG, FPS & RTS elements.

The quote from Bungie "Eventually it will become more the gamers than the developers and will take a life itself..." (can't remember the exact quote).

I believe this snippet of information points towards a single persistent universe that all gamers participate within.

- TL;DR - The short version -
Multi-platform (xbox & PS3, maybe PC), mutli-device (iPad, mobile phones), open world, combination First Person Shooter (FPS) & Role Playing Game (RPG) with possible Real Time Strategy (RTS) elements as well.

There will also be a micro-transaction or subscription based economy for players to upgrade, sell or trade goods and of course website integration to keep you coming back. This will take place in a single universe where all player actions, games and data are in real time to all other players.

I also speculate this game engine will either be for the next generation or already support the current consoles and run on the next generation in the same game release.

After all what is bigger than Halo? Single universe, on planet (FPS/RPG), off planet (RTS/MMO), user generated content and cross platform interaction (subscription/micro transaction)...that's what.


Bungie already have open access to multi-platforms, they like to take on ridiculous challenges and they really try to be innovative with their execution of new game mechanics e.g. Halo 2 multiplayer, XBL chat, Halo CE FPS console etc.

Imagine Bungie's next game with a universe where all players are in the same game data, much like Dust/Eve games.

Forget having a separate campaign and multiplayer! A single universe allows for both to become combined and a dynamic story evolving from gamers playing online.

The story is set and fleshed out from Bungie obviously giving art-style, game mechanics etc to the base game engine.

Now add more than just random multiplayer or campaign games without story/canon meaning or feedback to the universe itself.

The result is dynamic universe and game outcomes direct from players who choose to create or participate in the single universe. This is sort of an extension of Forge being rolled into the single universe of campaign/multiplayer.

The longer the game plays out online the more the community shapes the overall universe.

Now think of the website statistics or interaction...you would be able to view things at a global universe level. This could even open things up for different games, such as Halo Wars also participating back to the single universe of other games like Halo Reach.

It's this sort of multiplatform, multi-game environment combined with player creating tools I think Bungie/Activision are aiming for.

I also believe we'll see different game traits for platforms e.g. Mobiles devices for minified RTS/MMO plus trading systems or statistics or customisations etc. Desktops/laptops for RTS/FPS/MMO and consoles/PC's for the full blown experience.

Thoughts or comments welcomed...

And this: When did Destiny development start? Some interesting research...

Introducing Warsoup: Claims to be Halo meets Starcraft. It's interesting to see the genre lines blur...

[Edited on 11.27.2012 5:11 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 6:01 PM PDT
Subject: Bungie's new game

I'm surprised Bungie.net is full of Halo chatter and little to do with speculation on their new game IP.

What's with that?

  • 01.16.2012 5:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Oddley765
I'm surprised Bungie.net is full of Halo chatter and little to do with speculation on their new game IP.

What's with that?


I'm about as shocked as you are. The first time I get back on B.net in five months and it's still nothing but Halo chat.

  • 01.16.2012 5:54 PM PDT
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There is a thin line between insanity and genius, i would put myself right in the middle and i enjoy every second of it.

It's not that big of a surprise to me, Halo is their biggest game and it has so many fans its predictable to have a huge percentage of it's website to be halo members. Point is, it's not a problem, just the fact that they hit a jackpot with Halo, and though Im not saying its impossible to do it again, but its just so hard to compete...

  • 01.16.2012 6:03 PM PDT

Oddley I like your speculation. It's very thought out and plausible. I like the idea, but I just wish Bungie would give us something more to look at, but then again it is Bungie and they know what they're doing...I hope. I think a more online multiplayer focus is a great idea though. I mean how many people actually crack open the game and play the online multiplayer right off the bat, then go play the story mode when they get bored. Online multiplayer and interaction has more of a playability factor and when you mix the online world with the story mode universe, you've created the single most successful MMOFPSRPG ever. lol

  • 01.17.2012 2:42 PM PDT


Posted by: Th3Bl4ckKn1ght
Oddley I like your speculation. It's very thought out and plausible. I like the idea, but I just wish Bungie would give us something more to look at, but then again it is Bungie and they know what they're doing...I hope. Online multiplayer and interaction has more of a playability factor and when you mix the online world with the story mode universe, you've created the single most successful MMOFPSRPG ever. lol


Thanks and I couldn't agree more about combining the story and multiplayer together. In a way I suppose that's the heart of MMO's.

I too wish we could see more from Bungie but I'm sure they're cooking up a storm as usual.

My big concern is the subject matter the new game IP will be based on. Halo had the sci-fi and future realism I just get immersed in. Bungie's new universe has to strike the same cord but be unique and for me I can't think of another genre that's going to suck me in the same way.

Good luck to them.

  • 01.17.2012 4:50 PM PDT


Posted by: Oddley765

Posted by: Th3Bl4ckKn1ght
Oddley I like your speculation. It's very thought out and plausible. I like the idea, but I just wish Bungie would give us something more to look at, but then again it is Bungie and they know what they're doing...I hope. Online multiplayer and interaction has more of a playability factor and when you mix the online world with the story mode universe, you've created the single most successful MMOFPSRPG ever. lol



My big concern is the subject matter the new game IP will be based on. Halo had the sci-fi and future realism I just get immersed in. Bungie's new universe has to strike the same cord but be unique and for me I can't think of another genre that's going to suck me in the same way.



My thoughts exactly! I really fell in love with the sci-fi/future realism setting with Halo and I know if they can create a whole new universe in that genre, Tiger/Destiny will succeed greatly.

  • 01.18.2012 12:18 AM PDT


Posted by: Th3Bl4ckKn1ght
My thoughts exactly! I really fell in love with the sci-fi/future realism setting with Halo and I know if they can create a whole new universe in that genre, Tiger/Destiny will succeed greatly.


Hopefully they stuck to that genre. Personally I don't play any of the below games simply because I don't like the genre and art-style etc -

1. Bioshock
2. Rage
3. Borderlands
4. Red Dead Redemption

You get the idea.

  • 01.18.2012 3:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Posted by: Oddley765
I'm surprised Bungie.net is full of Halo chatter and little to do with speculation on their new game IP.

What's with that?


We haven't gotten any teases from Bungie. We're getting craploads of teases from 343i about Halo 4. Hell, they're even releasing concept art this month! What has Bungie given us? Some text.

  • 01.18.2012 3:05 PM PDT

Think before you post

So are you referring to a cross-console based MMO type of game? I wonder how that would work with competing online services like PSN and LIVE.

  • 01.18.2012 3:18 PM PDT


Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
We haven't gotten any teases from Bungie. We're getting craploads of teases from 343i about Halo 4. Hell, they're even releasing concept art this month! What has Bungie given us? Some text.


Too true mate. I can understand the wait somewhat as they're setting up their 10 year schedule or at least the next few years of work.

However I'd prefer some information about the new game, such as genre or story setting or gametype etc.

  • 01.18.2012 4:36 PM PDT


Posted by: Grizzled Ancient
So are you referring to a cross-console based MMO type of game? I wonder how that would work with competing online services like PSN and LIVE.


Given Bungie's history of games my guess is FPS and MMO cross for gametype with possible RTS/RPG elements. A real hybrid so players can play and create content in the new universe setting.

Beyond that Bungie has had PS3 job listings for ages now so cross platform seems like reality, unless they're working on multiple games. Further given the buy back of Bungie and move away from Microsoft the cross platform features seem inevitable.

I think with developers like CCP and games like Dust/Eve which are combining PC and PS3 across multiple platforms and multiple games/types real innovations like this are a target for Bungie/Activision.

The current length of time passed and lack of information seems to point at a large development lifecycle and such cross platform, cross subscription systems would explain this.

Imagine the list of games in the future that Bungie could foster leveraging their experience from Crimson. This would extend not just to their new game but indie developers and other "professional developers".

This engine, servers and overall development investment would position Bungie and Activision to seriously move up a tier and resell their engine for such a powerful platform. It could include mobile games, xbox games, PS3 games, website games etc and all connected to one universe.

I believe the following are all going to come to fruition in the new game IP/universe; Crimson, Forge, Halo, Xbox, PS3, maybe PC, tie in websites and mobile devices.

[Edited on 01.18.2012 4:55 PM PST]

  • 01.18.2012 4:46 PM PDT

Think before you post

Posted by: Oddley765
My only concern is that Bungie is known for very good story telling, and I don't know how that's going to be conveyed through an MMO type game. With those, it seems like your character itself is more important than the world around you.

If it was and RPG game, I'd want the world around me to reflect my choices in the game. In a persistent world with hundreds of thousands of players all making different choices, I don't know how that would work, unless they implement something like Fable's system of drop-in/drop-out coop.

  • 01.18.2012 4:56 PM PDT


Posted by: Grizzled Ancient
My only concern is that Bungie is known for very good story telling, and I don't know how that's going to be conveyed through an MMO type game. With those, it seems like your character itself is more important than the world around you.

If it was and RPG game, I'd want the world around me to reflect my choices in the game. In a persistent world with hundreds of thousands of players all making different choices, I don't know how that would work, unless they implement something like Fable's system of drop-in/drop-out coop.


While I share your concern the comments by Bungie "become more the players than the developers" just points to a dynamic story and universe. I imagine the initial story is all developer where over time the players create or influence the story/content so much that it essentially crafts itself.

DLC is an interesting one in such a game environment. My guess so far is this is what Bungie are cooking. A new hybrid style game with serious innovation in the dynamic story/universe based on players input/actions globally.

  • 01.18.2012 5:25 PM PDT

it would be amazing, and a revolutionary game, but i doubt thats what they working one right now.

  • 01.18.2012 6:43 PM PDT


Posted by: Al1757XNA
it would be amazing, and a revolutionary game, but i doubt thats what they working one right now.


I know it would be a huge undertaking. When I look at the experience and potential reasons why Bungie would buy themselves back and then do a 10 year deal with Activision this is what I come up with.

I'm not saying the whole package will be there on day one. However I do believe the systems are being developed in this fashion.

Afterall look at the amount of money Epic make from their engine Unreal. Unreal Technology also supports cross platform games like xbox or iPad etc Unreal Engine Platforms Link. It's where things are heading.



[Edited on 01.18.2012 8:28 PM PST]

  • 01.18.2012 8:25 PM PDT

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The majority of people don't have super computers to play that kind of game on. Sorry buddy. Something like WoW, sure, because the other gamers do their thing while you do yours. However, make it where every action shapes the world? That's insane computing power. Way more than a 360 or even a PS3 could handle. Bungie's good, but that game isn't possible.

  • 01.18.2012 11:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Twinkerdoodle
The majority of people don't have super computers to play that kind of game on. Sorry buddy. Something like WoW, sure, because the other gamers do their thing while you do yours. However, make it where every action shapes the world? That's insane computing power. Way more than a 360 or even a PS3 could handle. Bungie's good, but that game isn't possible.


While I thank you for taking the time to reply you are quite wrong in what you say. Servers and cloud computing handle the universe.

Regarding the PS3 or xbox requirements they are basically the same as a normal game engine mate. Take a look at Planetside (PS3), Eve (PC), Dust 514 (PS3 & PC) and I could name any other MMO as well.

The real issue is not processing power on the client side but servers and more importantly getting all that data down a thin Internet pipe to the client system.

[Edited on 01.19.2012 2:36 AM PST]

  • 01.19.2012 2:34 AM PDT

I think we can bank on whatever it is bungie is working on will not be for this current generation of console.

Im willing to bet they have had dev kits for the next wave of consoles for almost a year now, and whatever it is, it will be huge.

Think about it.
Bungie had such a massive impact on the video games industry with halo and slingshotting microsofts console to the head of the pack.

They have gone dark, entirely.
I mean, even with halo 3, odst and reach they made it clear they work working on multiple projects. But this time, whatever it is they are working on now. It has the entire team working on it.

  • 01.19.2012 9:19 AM PDT
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I am kind of sad of little to no chatter on this, but i usually keep this on Misriah Solution. That dude has alot of info, about it.

Problem is that no one really wants to talk about it, and with any little info we immediately start speculating, and then when everything is sorted out, 2 days later it dies.

This mainly i think happens in the Community forum i think.
Plus there is more things to debate on over the Halo universe and little for destiny.

  • 01.19.2012 10:55 AM PDT

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  • 01.19.2012 1:09 PM PDT


Posted by: zelliam
I think we can bank on whatever it is bungie is working on will not be for this current generation of console.

Im willing to bet they have had dev kits for the next wave of consoles for almost a year now, and whatever it is, it will be huge.
It has the entire team working on it.


Solid comments there mate. I agree it's for the next generation. Dev Kits have most likely been in their hands for awhile.

Also Dev Kits are usually just PC's running approximate hardware for the target performance they want the new console to deliver. Prototypes usually arive as the console gets solidified.

I also agree the entire team from Bungie is on this one. I know that would have scaled back the team somewhat after game releases(s). That part is standard operations to finish up contractors etc after the bulk of the work is done. However Bungie have a huge and talented team so I'm so anxious to see what they're up to and how accurate some our speculation is.

One thing is for certain...Bungie will be aiming very high with this new game/IP.

  • 01.19.2012 4:01 PM PDT


Posted by: ElderScholar
I am kind of sad of little to no chatter on this, but i usually keep this on Misriah Solution. That dude has alot of info, about it.

Problem is that no one really wants to talk about it, and with any little info we immediately start speculating, and then when everything is sorted out, 2 days later it dies.

This mainly i think happens in the Community forum i think.
Plus there is more things to debate on over the Halo universe and little for destiny.


I've been through Misriah, very solid research and good speculation too.

Very true about Halo, there is so much content coming out in terms of books, lore, universe, characters...oh and Halo 4. I wonder how much translates back to Bungie's new game when the drop it.

  • 01.19.2012 4:04 PM PDT

I just know Bungie's new project is something extraordinary, I mean look at all of their games and how much of an impact they've had on gaming and like zelliam said, they have the whole team working on it. THE ENTIRE STUDIO! My imagination runs wild with all the possibilities that could be Bungie's next game. I almost feel like Charlie Bucket looking through the iron gates at Willy Wonka's chocolate factory and wondering what mysteries and secrets lie within.

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  • 01.20.2012 12:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: Oddley765
Forget having a separate campaign and multiplayer! A single universe allows for both to become combined and a dynamic story evolving from gamers playing online.

The story is set and fleshed out from Bungie obviously giving art-style, game mechanics etc to the base game engine.



My thoughts exactly!

And seeing as Bungie's near hour lond ViDoc had clues that somewhat reinforced the possibility of the game being open world, chances are your theories arne't that far off.


[Edited on 01.20.2012 4:53 AM PST]

  • 01.20.2012 4:47 AM PDT