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Posted by: risay_117
No not worth it. Plus it allows the higher members to be arrogant and report people they do not like.
So? The whole point of reporting is to put it in the moderator's report queue. If a moderator sees it, and there's nothing wrong, then nothing bad happens. And Achronos even mentioned that there is such a thing as Report Abuse, and people that do that excessively can get banned.

  • 01.16.2012 2:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: acnboy34
"More often" is what I should've added.
Regardless of the wording, your post still wouldn't make any sense. How would this allow "higher" members to get away with "crimes"?

[Edited on 01.16.2012 2:44 PM PST]

  • 01.16.2012 2:33 PM PDT
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

I don't care that mythic members have not been banned in awhile. That has no weight on whom I personally decide to dole trust out to. None of them have earned my trust. That also doesn't mean they know the rules better than anyone else. I used to think they should be held to a higher standard because they've been here long enough that they should know the rules, but I have yet to see that justified.

I don't see mythics being any more helpful than anyone else. I don't any indicators that mythic member's opinions carry any more wisdom or knowledge than anyone other members. As has been noted and stated and acknowledged ad infinitum, titles are just hats. They were intended to be a method by which Bungie could assign trust, but that doesn't seem to have worked. Titled members should not be looked at any differently from other members. They should not hold any extra weight, get any extra rewards, or be held to a higher standard than anyone else. They have not done anything by getting a title that indicates that they should be held to any higher standard, or reap any extra reward. They should have one report vote, like everyone else.

I don't understand why anyone would even disagree with that (except in the case of obvious trolling, which I still believe a certain group of members is engaging in here). There's a threshold for many reports it takes to collapse a thread or reply for a reason. Negating that threshold, for something as pointless and meaningless as a title is contrary to progress and functionality.

That mythic members can no longer be mythic members negates anything that being a mythic member would entail. If it can be taken away so easily, via a warning or a ban or just not posting here for awhile or unlinking a gamertag, it means that the title is worth precisely nothing. If a title was actually earned then this idea might have some merit. That titles can be given, for nothing more than being here for awhile and posting sometimes, means that they are not ground for any sort of award, IMO.

This about more than just mythic members. I used them as an example because people mistakenly seem to believe that being mythic actually means something. Titles change, in all their iterations, frequently for some people. That your report means less this week, when you're Heroic, than it did last week when you were Legendary really defeats the purpose of this idea. Are you any different now that you're Heroic this week? No. Why should anyone else look at you any differently? More importantly, why should Bungie give you more or less trust, when trust is arbitrary for such a system?

  • 01.16.2012 2:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: komark
By your logic, simply because you are a Forum Ninja doesn't make you more right. I'm going to disregard your post as trolling.

Base titles have little to nothing to do with knowing what and what not to report. You receive a higher base title through a number of ways including account age, avoiding breaking the rules and by being "active" in the community. You might say that to avoid breaking the rules a user demonstrates a knowledge of the rules, but I'd reply that not all higher titled users receive their titles mainly based on their ability to go without moderation and that the ability to avoid moderation isn't exactly knowing what's against the rules.
Higher titled members have demonstrated that they haven't gotten banned recently, so obviously have a good idea of what the rules are. Doesn't mean they should be more trusted.
The worst that can happen is just making the life of a moderator more confusing and wasting the Webteam's time with setting the system up, with little to no positive outcome.
Honestly, what's the worst that can happen?

  • 01.16.2012 2:53 PM PDT

I came into this thread with a "what the -blam!- what is this why" attitude, read half of it with a "what the -blam!- what is this why" attitude, and then saw the actual suggestion. I like this idea. It kinda gives a way to put actual use to the trust system without the potential of whining, really. I doubt anyone would whine about not having as much "report power" as someone else.

EDIT: Oh, I misread the OP. I thought this was a thread suggesting that the effect reporting would have on a post would vary from title to title, e.g., 7 member reports is equal to 3 reports done by Mythics, etc. I see now that this is regarding the actual effect of reports on the higher-titled members. Absolutely not. I have to agree with cam here and say that I find this to be totally impractical, especially because I find that it's Mythic Members that make the most posts deserving of reports that do not get reported, and this would only make that worse.

EDIT TWO: I've misinterpreted the OP twice now. My thoughts are above. Do with them what you will.

[Edited on 01.16.2012 3:03 PM PST]

  • 01.16.2012 2:57 PM PDT
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Giving more influence to certain members based on their title bar is a really bad idea.

  • 01.16.2012 3:01 PM PDT

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  • 01.16.2012 3:06 PM PDT

Roll the dice, try again.

Posted by: ctjl96
EDIT: Oh, I misread the OP. I thought this was a thread suggesting that the effect reporting would have on a post would vary from title to title, e.g., 7 member reports is equal to 3 reports done by Mythics, etc. I


er.... that's what I'm suggesting. I'm not saying it takes more reports to collapse a post by a higher titled member.

I'm saying X users posts and the higher the member that REPORTS that post (regardless of their title) it should add more weight to the report. Simply because they've been here longer.

I am not trolling, I think this is a legitimate argument I don't understand why everyone is getting so confused in this thread.

  • 01.16.2012 3:08 PM PDT

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No.
Having this system would imply that higher ranks are more above us and more important. Which is simply not the case. All you have to do to get mythic is post everyday, which is not hard at all. All members are equal, so we shouldn't have our ranks play a roll in what we think is bad.

  • 01.16.2012 3:08 PM PDT

Oh, yeah, that's fine. So you're suggesting that if 7 members (only) report a post, it'll collapse, but at the same time, if, say, 3 Mythics reported it, it would also collapse? Yeah, that's not unreasonable. I don't understand why people hate this idea so much.

I'm not really going to say yes or no, but I wouldn't mind if this was implemented, and I would be affected in that my reports wouldn't matter as much, so I don't understand why everyone else is saying no. They fail to understand that the title bar is simply being used as a gauge to measure their trust level. While I don't necessarily trust the Mythics more than anyone (at all), giving them more report power than others isn't a horrid idea. I think this would be especially helpful in The Flood, where the majority of people are Members, so that whenever a troll comes along, the higher-titled members that report them will allow the troll to show up in the report queue faster.

I doubt I'm making sense, I'm just kind of typing this as it comes to me, but I'll say right now that the "derp they're only titles and this would give them more power" argument is pretty invalid, simply for the sole reason that these are reports and can hardly be abused.
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Posted by: ctjl96
EDIT: Oh, I misread the OP. I thought this was a thread suggesting that the effect reporting would have on a post would vary from title to title, e.g., 7 member reports is equal to 3 reports done by Mythics, etc. I


er.... that's what I'm suggesting. I'm not saying it takes more reports to collapse a post by a higher titled member.

I'm saying X users posts and the higher the member that REPORTS that post (regardless of their title) it should add more weight to the report. Simply because they've been here longer.

I am not trolling, I think this is a legitimate argument I don't understand why everyone is getting so confused in this thread.

EDIT: So far, the majority of the people who have said no are regular members like me that are butthurt about the idea of not being as important as someone else; one even said you were trolling. Coming from the logical side of the regular Member family, it's not a bad idea.

[Edited on 01.16.2012 3:22 PM PST]

  • 01.16.2012 3:19 PM PDT

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  • 01.16.2012 3:21 PM PDT

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This is why we can't have nice things. Yup, disagree with something simply because it's slightly unfavorable to you. dat logic

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Posted by: TopWargamer
Um, no

Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
I'm sorry.....what?

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No, titles should not affect reports.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
5/10. Too obvious.

OT: No.

Posted by: risay_117
No not worth it. Plus it allows the higher members to be arrogant and report people they do not like.

  • 01.16.2012 3:25 PM PDT

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Nah titles should not affect any type of feature.

  • 01.16.2012 4:02 PM PDT

Posted by: Lord Pyro
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90% of things that get reported get reported by most people who see the post, so this wouldn't really matter.

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Posted by: SonicJohn
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OP wants higher titles to have higher influence over reports.

Meh.

If you report at all, that's the key thing. I don't think what your title is should have a reflection on that.

  • 01.16.2012 4:10 PM PDT
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  • 01.16.2012 4:11 PM PDT

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Throughout the years I've been here I've always advocated for a "whistle system" addition to the report button, where users essentially prove their worth of a "louder whistle" (more heavily weighted report) through successful and accurate reporting. Combining a weighted report system with the highly variable current title system seems like more trouble than it's worth.

I would be all for weighted reports if the web team could somehow come up with a way to filter accurate / abusive reports, and then apply a rewarding / punishing modifier to our account's report strength. Unfortunately this would have already happened if it was an easy task, but I think it would definitely benefit the site by rewarding good reporters, punishing bad reporters, and incentivising single account usage if they could find a way to pull it off.

  • 01.17.2012 10:36 AM PDT

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  • 01.17.2012 11:04 AM PDT
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  • 01.17.2012 11:27 AM PDT

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