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Subject: Questioning Noble Teams Tactics
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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: LeTHaL BuLLeTs

Posted by: ogNylon8125
Where was Jun when all this went down -_-


dead trying to escort halsey to castle base


He is not dead until 343 says it, he is just in a limbo for the moment.


I think we can assume hes dead... 343 got stuff to do with chief

  • 01.17.2012 4:46 PM PDT

I have returned.

Yes.

  • 01.17.2012 4:46 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

Not how Emile scratched out his Motion Tracker
Emile was unstable to begin with; that should have become clear in the first mission of Reach.

Or how Kat ran out into the PERFECT Sniper killzone yelling with NO shields activated?
You mean how Grace was not paying attention on a Covenant super base and died because of a Brute Shot to the stomach?

I don't see people criticizing that too often. It's a war. Spartans are human too. -blam!- happens.

What about Carter ramming a fully armed gunship into a Scarab instead of just shooting it?
He did shoot it, if you had actually paid attention to the cutscene; the Scarab barely flinched. Carter's goal was to incapacitate the Scarab as quickly as possible.

  • 01.17.2012 5:38 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

I think we can assume hes dead... 343 got stuff to do with chief
Jun's not known to be dead.

[Edited on 01.17.2012 5:41 PM PST]

  • 01.17.2012 5:40 PM PDT

Posted by: Plasma Prestige

Or how Kat ran out into the PERFECT Sniper killzone yelling with NO shields activated?
You mean how Grace was not paying attention on a Covenant super base and died because of a Brute Shot to the stomach?

I don't see people criticizing that too often. It's a war. Spartans are human too. -blam!- happens.



Or how John-117 almost activated Halo destroying all life in the universe if it wasn't for Cortana warning him about its true purposes, which wouldn't have happened if Noble Team hadn't given their lives to get her to the Pillar.

  • 01.17.2012 5:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: Plasma Prestige

Or how Kat ran out into the PERFECT Sniper killzone yelling with NO shields activated?
You mean how Grace was not paying attention on a Covenant super base and died because of a Brute Shot to the stomach?

I don't see people criticizing that too often. It's a war. Spartans are human too. -blam!- happens.



Or how John-117 almost activated Halo destroying all life in the universe if it wasn't for Cortana warning him about its true purposes, which wouldn't have happened if Noble Team hadn't given their lives to get her to the Pillar.


So what would you do if the Flood was running amuck everywhere, and you were told activating the ring will kill them? you would try to activate it as soon as possible.

So what if NOBLE Team allowed the PoA through? If it wasn't for the success of the S-II program to begin with, NOBLE Team wouldn't have existed.

  • 01.17.2012 6:26 PM PDT

@OP:

What does the attack on the Spire at all have to do with Noble Team and tactics? Noble wasn't in charge of the mission in Tip of the Spear, they were merely one small force in a larger battle, only command Noble had was over their own team and whatever marines were dispatched with them.

And as for your other stuff.
Why are you finding problems with these? What exactly was Carter supposed to do? The Pelican was only equipped with the machine gun he used to fire at the Scarab, and even then it did squat to it and didn't even really attract the Scarab's attention except for about two seconds where it immediately after turned back to Emile and Six and was going to deep fry them. And Carter was bleeding out pretty much, so even if he set the Pelican on a crash course for the Scarab and then jumped out he wouldn't have been much (if any) use to the rest of the team and only would have only slowed them down. So tell me, what other options did Carter have aside from the one he used?

And as for Kat, it easily could have been any other member of Noble who got sniped instead of her, and none of them had their shields up at the time either due to bombardment of radiation or whatever from the glassing beam.

And Emile, technology sometimes just doesn't work you know, and also the Elite was moving slowly enough so that he wouldn't show up on the motion tracker, so how was Emile supposed to notice him? He doesn't have eyes in the back of his head and as I said the Elite was sneaking up on him, plus there was a whole courtyard full of Covenant below Emile that he had to be focused on too, it's not like the Elite that killed him was the only one there.

  • 01.17.2012 7:42 PM PDT
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There is a thin line between insanity and genius, i would put myself right in the middle and i enjoy every second of it.


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@OP:

What does the attack on the Spire at all have to do with Noble Team and tactics? Noble wasn't in charge of the mission in Tip of the Spear, they were merely one small force in a larger battle, only command Noble had was over their own team and whatever marines were dispatched with them.

And as for your other stuff.
Why are you finding problems with these? What exactly was Carter supposed to do? The Pelican was only equipped with the machine gun he used to fire at the Scarab, and even then it did squat to it and didn't even really attract the Scarab's attention except for about two seconds where it immediately after turned back to Emile and Six and was going to deep fry them. And Carter was bleeding out pretty much, so even if he set the Pelican on a crash course for the Scarab and then jumped out he wouldn't have been much (if any) use to the rest of the team and only would have only slowed them down. So tell me, what other options did Carter have aside from the one he used?

And as for Kat, it easily could have been any other member of Noble who got sniped instead of her, and none of them had their shields up at the time either due to bombardment of radiation or whatever from the glassing beam.

And Emile, technology sometimes just doesn't work you know, and also the Elite was moving slowly enough so that he wouldn't show up on the motion tracker, so how was Emile supposed to notice him? He doesn't have eyes in the back of his head and as I said the Elite was sneaking up on him, plus there was a whole courtyard full of Covenant below Emile that he had to be focused on too, it's not like the Elite that killed him was the only one there.


The conversation escilated from a simple ( appariently misstitled ) campaign question. I, myself believe they were legit deaths and were suitable, so people challenge that, and thats what the topic has become, you might have realized that if you read all the previous comments, but, feel free to put out any other "tactics" noble team could have done better.

  • 01.17.2012 7:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: Plasma Prestige

Or how Kat ran out into the PERFECT Sniper killzone yelling with NO shields activated?
You mean how Grace was not paying attention on a Covenant super base and died because of a Brute Shot to the stomach?

I don't see people criticizing that too often. It's a war. Spartans are human too. -blam!- happens.



Or how John-117 almost activated Halo destroying all life in the universe if it wasn't for Cortana warning him about its true purposes, which wouldn't have happened if Noble Team hadn't given their lives to get her to the Pillar.


So what would you do if the Flood was running amuck everywhere, and you were told activating the ring will kill them? you would try to activate it as soon as possible.

So what if NOBLE Team allowed the PoA through? If it wasn't for the success of the S-II program to begin with, NOBLE Team wouldn't have existed.


How about Cal "I shall block this hammer with my face"? she didn't have a problem with the brute at first but somehow he was able to sneak up on them even though she had a motion tracker and she had not "scratched out" her motion tracker.

  • 01.17.2012 7:50 PM PDT

+1 for you good sir.

They shouldve just built the Death Star and blow up High Charity.

  • 01.17.2012 7:51 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal
it's not like the Spartan II's didn't have problems with their motion trackers. Like in the Unyielding Hierophant where in a temple John couldn't track a Brute on his motion tracker, even though it was like a pillar away from him.

Chief had no trouble tracking it. He knew where it moved to and was in the process of priming a grenade to root it out, then it striaght up charged him. Emile just stood there and apparently didn't notice the motion contact coming up behind him.


The elite was moving slow enough he didn't appear on Motion tracker. That Elite also landed on the mass driver when the Phantom was directly above it, so that motion was disguised by the giant blip of the dropship.

  • 01.17.2012 9:34 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
How about Cal "I shall block this hammer with my face"? she didn't have a problem with the brute at first but somehow he was able to sneak up on them even though she had a motion tracker and she had not "scratched out" her motion tracker.


And it wasn't being very quiet IIRC...

Another case of that Spartan super-hearing being very selective when it works eh?

  • 01.17.2012 9:40 PM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: LeTHaL BuLLeTs
Ex: Carter and the scarab


I think it's been clearly enough explained by fellow members.


Ex: Kat and the sniper

Really? Are you seriously complaining about why Kat got shot by a sniper?

The city was getting glassed around them as they were running, who would think there would have been a Phantom with the Field Marshal that was most likely listening in on their com waiting for them? The Marshal was waiting for them down there and luck had it that Kat got shot and not Noble Six. Had he twitched if he wanted to, he would have drilled a hole through Noble Six's head. It could as easily have been any of the other Noble Team members.

They were just too preoccupied with the orders they had just received and wondering exactly why they were issued, that they did not think a hovering Phantom would be waiting over a hole in the celling. Nobody could have seen that coming.

Spartan's are humans too, you know. They can as easily as any of us make mistakes and loose their situational awareness. You could see in the cutscene how Jun had a problem with going back to Sword, knowing that it belonged to the Covenant, thus making him think about this and not about a -blam!- hole in the roof at the entrance of an underground bunker.

OP, you seriously have a huge fault in common logic.

  • 01.18.2012 1:18 AM PDT

Im pretty sure Emile wasnt focusing on the motion tracker since a giant covenat ship(Dnt know the name)was coming to destroy them and emile was prepared to fire when a cruiser appears droping zealots which he managed to kill the first but got over cocking and left his guard down leading to the zealot from behind killing him but he also manages to kill it as well.

  • 02.18.2012 3:30 PM PDT

First of all the three ( or two) elites that killed Emile were dropped out of a phantom. So therefore they didn't show up on his radar.

Kat's predicament was simply wrong place wrong time.
(but now that I think about it one of the Spartans did say that all the convent were vacating the area for the blast of glassing to be done In that area... So that doesn't really add up.)

And Carter was just plain stupid to kill himself by ramming the scarab. He could have at least jumped out before making contact.

  • 02.18.2012 4:57 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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And Carter was just plain stupid to kill himself by ramming the scarab. He could have at least jumped out before making contact.


I guess you missed the part where Carter was injured and would have no time to arm the auto-pilot and leap out of the Pelican. Even if he lived, he would slow Six and Emile down.

  • 02.18.2012 5:00 PM PDT

I acknowledge my user name is stupid. However, I promise I'm not.

Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

Agreed.

But I hope he is dead.

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Posted by: LeTHaL BuLLeTs

Posted by: ogNylon8125
Where was Jun when all this went down -_-


dead trying to escort halsey to castle base


He is not dead until 343 says it, he is just in a limbo for the moment.

  • 02.18.2012 5:01 PM PDT

_-_-_-FSR-_-_-_

lol noble team lol no

  • 02.18.2012 5:33 PM PDT


Posted by: IINobleNinjaII
First of all the three ( or two) elites that killed Emile were dropped out of a phantom. So therefore they didn't show up on his radar.

Kat's predicament was simply wrong place wrong time.
(but now that I think about it one of the Spartans did say that all the convent were vacating the area for the blast of glassing to be done In that area... So that doesn't really add up.)

And Carter was just plain stupid to kill himself by ramming the scarab. He could have at least jumped out before making contact.


Just to point out, What Jun could see from the upper levels of the skyscraper and what happened in the ground streets could be different. The phantom also could've been on it's way out when they picked up the transmission.

As for Carter... you think he would have survived that massive fall with his injuries? Plus the time Emile and Six would have to take to scale down and back up the cliff with him?

  • 02.19.2012 5:57 AM PDT

Ok, to answer your question since everything has gotten out of hand.

Probblem: A "small" covenant strike force had landed on reach. The spires was what cloaked the strike force.

Objective: Take out three covenant spires to reveal the main force. Then I suppose either continue the foreward momentum of the attack or pull out and either nuke them or let orbital defenses take care of the rest. My guess would be to carry the foreward momentum of the attack since two UNSC frigates were present to provide support.

Hope this helped.

  • 02.19.2012 7:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: IINobleNinjaII
First of all the three ( or two) elites that killed Emile were dropped out of a phantom. So therefore they didn't show up on his radar.

Kat's predicament was simply wrong place wrong time.
(but now that I think about it one of the Spartans did say that all the convent were vacating the area for the blast of glassing to be done In that area... So that doesn't really add up.)

And Carter was just plain stupid to kill himself by ramming the scarab. He could have at least jumped out before making contact.


Just to point out, What Jun could see from the upper levels of the skyscraper and what happened in the ground streets could be different. The phantom also could've been on it's way out when they picked up the transmission.

As for Carter... you think he would have survived that massive fall with his injuries? Plus the time Emile and Six would have to take to scale down and back up the cliff with him?


Don't forget that Jun had been looking to the other side of the building when the glassing began, so there was no way to know if a Phantom would be parked a top the bunker since it was at the other side.

  • 02.19.2012 9:00 AM PDT

There may not be a "I" in team, but there is a "I" in Win.

what was Jun going to do, snipe the scarab to death? They may give you 60 bullets in the sniper part but i dont think thats enough to kill a scarab

  • 02.19.2012 3:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: Adamal123
They shouldve just built the Death Star and blow up High Charity.

simply genius

  • 02.24.2012 2:43 PM PDT

I'm guessing that command sent other units, spartan or not, to destroy the other two.
Posted by: LeTHaL BuLLeTs
No longer discussed: Why is it on "Tip of the Spear" ( Halo: REACH )the mission is to take down 1 of 3 Covenant Spires? What good would that do? You destroyed one... good for you, what about the other 2? What were they planning then? Could anyone explain it to me? I'm very confused about it.

Excuse previous topic, it has changed to why noble team did what they did.

Ex: Carter and the scarab
Ex: Kat and the sniper
Ex: Emile and the motion tracker

Posted by: LeTHaL BuLLeTs
No longer discussed: Why is it on "Tip of the Spear" ( Halo: REACH )the mission is to take down 1 of 3 Covenant Spires? What good would that do? You destroyed one... good for you, what about the other 2? What were they planning then? Could anyone explain it to me? I'm very confused about it.

Excuse previous topic, it has changed to why noble team did what they did.

Ex: Carter and the scarab
Ex: Kat and the sniper
Ex: Emile and the motion tracker

  • 02.25.2012 11:35 AM PDT

I have one issue with the whole of Reach. They have 20 obrital SuperMACS and atleast 300 ships to take out the spire they could easily have just shot them from orbit as the energy released on impact is larger than a Nuke going off.

Also they went thanks Eric nylund for writing the Fall of reach now we'll completly Retcon it all with some stupid story of cloaked covenant on one of Humanities best defended Planets and yet another Spartan II and Cortana being split and The PoA entering atmosphere and Cpt. Keyes asking N6 to come aboard and how reach was being invaded when in FoR the Spartan IIs were being given a lectuer on their next mission. I can go on...

  • 03.02.2012 3:24 PM PDT

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