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Subject: Questioning Noble Teams Tactics

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Posted by: Mr Owen L
I have one issue with the whole of Reach. They have 20 obrital SuperMACS and atleast 300 ships to take out the spire they could easily have just shot them from orbit as the energy released on impact is larger than a Nuke going off.


Earth had 300, they didn't really do all that well.

  • 03.02.2012 3:39 PM PDT

An old friend.


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Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Carter's options:

1. Shoot cliff out using nose-mounted MG

2. Shoot back off of Scarab, then shoot generator

3. Be a retard and kill yourself


I hate it, too, when writers choose drama over boring logic. I want my stories to be flawless and without emotion, dammit!


You mean like a Spartan?

Carter had options the lead writer was a bad decision maker. Emile died because instead of clearing the area like any marine would, let alone a Spartan, he chose to talk smack. Jorge can't hot wire a bomb after 40 years battlefield experience. I would have left the AI to die. Jorge is more expensive. Kat had no shield, she ran out in a spotlight instead of the shadows, and she was deaf because phantoms are loud as -blam!-!

Six should have hopped onto a banshee and flown onto a carrier in all the confusion. That way he can meet up with the Chief in Halo 4. Seems like the Spartan thing to do!

Everything was so forced!

[Edited on 03.02.2012 10:58 PM PST]

  • 03.02.2012 10:56 PM PDT

An old friend.

Speaking of Super MAC's. If the covenant attacked with 3,000 ships the Humans would have won with a minimum of 10 waves. I'm sure the thousands of human warships could have held off and even taken out a significant number of enemy while the orbital guns took out the rest.

We haven't even introduced nukes yet! Also why not designate priority ships and send in SPARTAN teams with smart AI to hijack them and turn use their laser beamz!

Also why doesn't every ship had 10 mass drivers stock? They seem to work!

  • 03.02.2012 11:04 PM PDT

To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.


Posted by: Ace Active
Speaking of Super MAC's. If the covenant attacked with 3,000 ships the Humans would have won with a minimum of 10 waves. I'm sure the thousands of human warships could have held off and even taken out a significant number of enemy while the orbital guns took out the rest.

We haven't even introduced nukes yet! Also why not designate priority ships and send in SPARTAN teams with smart AI to hijack them and turn use their laser beamz!

Also why doesn't every ship had 10 mass drivers stock? They seem to work!
It takes a massive ammount of energy to power one mass driver as it, how in the hell are we going to power 10 on one ship? It isn't possible unless your forerunner!
That seemed rather catchy actualy XD

[Edited on 03.03.2012 1:07 AM PST]

  • 03.03.2012 1:06 AM PDT
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I'm pretty sure Ace was being sarcastic

  • 03.03.2012 2:46 AM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Mr Owen L
I have one issue with the whole of Reach. They have 20 obrital SuperMACS and atleast 300 ships to take out the spire they could easily have just shot them from orbit as the energy released on impact is larger than a Nuke going off.


You haven't really checked the maths, haven't you?

A round from a Super MAC is way more than a nuke being set off. Had they fired on the Spire, they would have most likely transformed the whole battlefield into a crater.

Plus, I doubt any of the MAC stations were overhead in orbit. The battle was kind of kept secret.

  • 03.03.2012 4:52 AM PDT


Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
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Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Of ALL of Noble Teams idiotic tactics, you question THIS one? Not how Emile scratched out his Motion Tracker? Or how Kat ran out into the PERFECT Sniper killzone yelling with NO shields activated? What about Carter ramming a fully armed gunship into a Scarab instead of just shooting it?


I don't know how you can "scratch out" something that's inside the armor, but regardless of that technology fails, it's not like the Spartan II's didn't have problems with their motion trackers. Like in the Unyielding Hierophant where in a temple John couldn't track a Brute on his motion tracker, even though it was like a pillar away from him.

Now, Kat, you must be dumb not to realize she was running for her life, just like any other member of Noble team seeing how, oh what was it? oh yeah a cruiser was glassing the area next to them and they were trying to get to a nuclear refuge, and she was talking to Six, she wasn't shouting.

and Carter did shoot the Scarab, but the only thing that did was distract the Scarab enough to have it turn its head for a second before turning back towards Emile and Six. as they both put it in their last words to each other:

Emile-A239: "Commander, you don't have the firepower!"
Carter-A259 (COM): "I've got the mass."

It was that or losing Cortana.


Carter's options:

1. Shoot cliff out using nose-mounted MG

2. Shoot back off of Scarab, then shoot generator

3. Be a retard and kill yourself


And Kat, even if she was running for her life, could have AT LEAST heard the Phantom hovering above. The thing is pretty damn loud.


Well, Carter was dying, so it might have taken a while to do the other options. That's my explanation why he killed himself.

  • 03.03.2012 12:54 PM PDT

Posted by: Mr Owen L
I have one issue with the whole of Reach. They have 20 obrital SuperMACS and atleast 300 ships to take out the spire they could easily have just shot them from orbit as the energy released on impact is larger than a Nuke going off.

Also they went thanks Eric nylund for writing the Fall of reach now we'll completly Retcon it all with some stupid story of cloaked covenant on one of Humanities best defended Planets and yet another Spartan II and Cortana being split and The PoA entering atmosphere and Cpt. Keyes asking N6 to come aboard and how reach was being invaded when in FoR the Spartan IIs were being given a lectuer on their next mission. I can go on...


Do you know how powerful a MAC round is, let alone a SMAC? They have about the same power output as several of the most powerful atomic bombs...and can you imagine a slug that big and fired at that speed down onto a planet? The devastation from the impact would be far more costly than the benefit of taking out the target. Shooting a MAC or SMAC (most especially a SMAC) would be a very, very, very bad decision.

Reach didn't really retcon anything about TFoR except the length of the battle. Read the Data Drops over on Halo Waypoint, those offer a lot in explaining what was going on behind the scenes with Halo: Reach, such as ONI for the most part being aware of the Covenant presence on Reach and actually luring them there so they could capture a ship for operation RED FLAG.
So what about Jorge? There have been a ton of Spartan IIs being revealed since TFoR came out, the numbers given in the book are no longer entirely accurate, or at the very least they're no by any means an absolute figure.
As for the rest of the stuff, so what? How is any of that at all any kind of problem?

Posted by: Ace Active
You mean like a Spartan?

Carter had options the lead writer was a bad decision maker. Emile died because instead of clearing the area like any marine would, let alone a Spartan, he chose to talk smack. Jorge can't hot wire a bomb after 40 years battlefield experience. I would have left the AI to die. Jorge is more expensive. Kat had no shield, she ran out in a spotlight instead of the shadows, and she was deaf because phantoms are loud as -blam!-!

Six should have hopped onto a banshee and flown onto a carrier in all the confusion. That way he can meet up with the Chief in Halo 4. Seems like the Spartan thing to do!

Everything was so forced!


What options? He was dying, or at best just very heavily injured and left not very useful in a fight, and even if he had jumped out of the Pelican and survived, he would have only slowed Six and Emile down, possibly gotten them killed due to having to be helped along, or the Cortana piece could have been damaged/destroyed for the same reasons.

As for Emile, how is he supposed to know about the other Elite if it's not showing up on his radar and is sneaking up on him? Spartans don't have eyes in the back of their head, when it comes right down to it they're just as human as you and me, they can, and do, make the same mistake we or any other human could make. Emile was focused on the Elites he knew were there and could see...the ones down in the courtyard that you have to kill on your way up to the Mass Driver.

Jorge is not Kat, while he may have limited tech experience, he's not some miracle worker who can save a timer that's been render useless and is completely fried. And there were no marines left, honestly do you think any marine that was there would survive to the end of the mission in real life?

Guess what, all the rest of Noble ran out there like Kat did, it could have just as easily been someone else. And Phantoms actually aren't that loud, not when they're just sitting there idling, and I highly doubt that it'd be heard over the glassing going on, that is far louder than any Phantom.

And what Banshee would that be? I sure didn't any there, other than the ones you shoot down with the Mass Driver. How would Six have procured this non-existent Banshee pray tell?

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Posted by: OrderedComa
And what Banshee would that be? I sure didn't any there, other than the ones you shoot down with the Mass Driver. How would Six have procured this non-existent Banshee pray tell?


What are you talking about? There would have been hundreds of Banshees swooping about the shipyards. I haven't played the campaign in some time, but I remember being aware of a distant stream of Covenant aircraft as I progressed through the level.

From a Covenant POV, you're looking at an area that's just seen a large-scale infantry battle with confirmed sightings of Spartans. Banshees are excellent anti-infantry units, and Covenant commanders know it.

  • 03.06.2012 12:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Of ALL of Noble Teams idiotic tactics, you question THIS one? Not how Emile scratched out his Motion Tracker? Or how Kat ran out into the PERFECT Sniper killzone yelling with NO shields activated? What about Carter ramming a fully armed gunship into a Scarab instead of just shooting it?


1) if that elite was behind you as noble six, how would you have survived, bearing in mind the elite was too close to flee from and has shields too strong to drop with a shotgun, assuming you can turn round fast enough to fire the shot.

2) Because Kat clearly wasn't running from a covenant glassing beam. Also its possible she didn't put her helmet on properly in the rush, which would prevent it from activating her shields.

3) Emile clearly said "you don't have the firepower." That says it all. As for why he didn't jump out, not only would it be a drop large enough to kill a spartan III, he had several chest wounds that would give him trouble moving and may also have wanted to be sure the pelican hit the scarab and didn't veer off if he left the controls.

  • 03.06.2012 4:19 AM PDT

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