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You can't spell GARBAGE without AR.
Posted by: MythicSniper
Fiar enough, but the sword easily overshadows the shotgun in Reach due to the presence of sprint. Sprint + Sword is just about the easiest way to run around killing everything in sight. I'm speaking for the average Reach player when I make this argument. I'm not talking about what would happen if I were in the situation. In general, the sword beats the shotgun because most people suck with the shotgun and most people have thumbs, so they can use the severely overpowered sword + sprint combo.
Adding on to what I said earlier, to balance the shotgun's short one hit kill range, it has a longer 2 and 3 hit kill range than the Halo 3 one. Because of how the sword and hammer has a longer 1 hit kill range, they become worthless past the red reticule range, because they can't attack! The hammer very rarely appears on the stock maps and the sword also has many drawbacks. Sword block anyone? Also, if you are paying attention to the game, you can easily discern the sound of a sword and see its plasma glow from far away; even through wall, because Bungie is lazy and didn't want to put light effect shields between walls.
I've tested it out in split screen. The shotgun can always kill the AR guy at the shotgun's max red reticule range in about 2 to 3 shots before the AR can get the 19 minimum for the kill. If you argue that they back up and shoot you, then walk towards them! Walking forwards is faster than walking backwards, therefore, you will close the distance and increase the damage output.
I was never saying that the AR shouldn't beat the shotgun at midrange. Of course it should. The point of what I was saying is that the shotgun is useless in the hands of most players in most situations against a player using an AR because people backpedal. This isn't just the case at midrange. At close range, where the shotgun is supposed to be king, a player with an AR can easily still best the shotgun user simply by backpedaling and spraying. That's completely idiotic. A shotgun is devastating at close range. It shouldn't lose out to an assault rifle if the reticule is red.
I agree, it is good, but I'm not complaining about having to aim for center of mass. Where did you even get that idea? What I'm criticizing is the fact, when you factor in armor abilities, kill times, and movement speeds, the shotgun is really only effective at point blank range. That's stupid. That's not balance. That makes it a serious niche weapon, even more so than the sword or the hammer.
That doesn't make sense. If one lunges with sword/hammer and the opponent armor locks, the results would be worse off than if you did the same with a shotgun. With the shotgun, you could hit enemies using camo even though the cursor isn't red.
The Reach shotgun is simply too moody. The H3 shotgun was reliable. If I aimed for center of mass at close range, I would kill them in one shot, guaranteed. In Reach, if I do the same thing, I may not kill them in one shot, even under the same conditions. The sword's ridiculous lunge and the Sword + Sprint combo makes the shotgun the loser in most situations. It's too easy to use the sword. I'm not saying the shotgun should be easier to use. I'm simply saying it should be more dependable. I shouldn't have to follow up every single shell with a habitual melee if the target's midsection takes up the entire reticule. I should be able to pull the trigger and kill them if the conditions are met. This is not always the case, and in fact, it's usually not the case.
If you only account only for the 1 hit kill ranges, then the shotgun is underpowered. However, that's why you can fire multiple rounds! The shotgun is the only CQC weapon capable of killing outside of its 1 hit kill range.
Yes, the H3 shotgun was more reliable at point black range, but its range was abysmal; much worse than the Reach one and better than the H2 at least. If a shotgun in a game is only good for melee distance, then it's going to encourage camping.
All I can say is to test it out with a guest to see for yourself.
It personally peeves me when I watch people play and they use the shotgun only when they are a foot away from the person. Another is when people spam their pistol shots.