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  • 01.25.2012 4:33 PM PDT

You can't spell GARBAGE without AR.


Posted by: MythicSniper
Fiar enough, but the sword easily overshadows the shotgun in Reach due to the presence of sprint. Sprint + Sword is just about the easiest way to run around killing everything in sight. I'm speaking for the average Reach player when I make this argument. I'm not talking about what would happen if I were in the situation. In general, the sword beats the shotgun because most people suck with the shotgun and most people have thumbs, so they can use the severely overpowered sword + sprint combo.


Adding on to what I said earlier, to balance the shotgun's short one hit kill range, it has a longer 2 and 3 hit kill range than the Halo 3 one. Because of how the sword and hammer has a longer 1 hit kill range, they become worthless past the red reticule range, because they can't attack! The hammer very rarely appears on the stock maps and the sword also has many drawbacks. Sword block anyone? Also, if you are paying attention to the game, you can easily discern the sound of a sword and see its plasma glow from far away; even through wall, because Bungie is lazy and didn't want to put light effect shields between walls.

I've tested it out in split screen. The shotgun can always kill the AR guy at the shotgun's max red reticule range in about 2 to 3 shots before the AR can get the 19 minimum for the kill. If you argue that they back up and shoot you, then walk towards them! Walking forwards is faster than walking backwards, therefore, you will close the distance and increase the damage output.

I was never saying that the AR shouldn't beat the shotgun at midrange. Of course it should. The point of what I was saying is that the shotgun is useless in the hands of most players in most situations against a player using an AR because people backpedal. This isn't just the case at midrange. At close range, where the shotgun is supposed to be king, a player with an AR can easily still best the shotgun user simply by backpedaling and spraying. That's completely idiotic. A shotgun is devastating at close range. It shouldn't lose out to an assault rifle if the reticule is red.


I agree, it is good, but I'm not complaining about having to aim for center of mass. Where did you even get that idea? What I'm criticizing is the fact, when you factor in armor abilities, kill times, and movement speeds, the shotgun is really only effective at point blank range. That's stupid. That's not balance. That makes it a serious niche weapon, even more so than the sword or the hammer.

That doesn't make sense. If one lunges with sword/hammer and the opponent armor locks, the results would be worse off than if you did the same with a shotgun. With the shotgun, you could hit enemies using camo even though the cursor isn't red.


The Reach shotgun is simply too moody. The H3 shotgun was reliable. If I aimed for center of mass at close range, I would kill them in one shot, guaranteed. In Reach, if I do the same thing, I may not kill them in one shot, even under the same conditions. The sword's ridiculous lunge and the Sword + Sprint combo makes the shotgun the loser in most situations. It's too easy to use the sword. I'm not saying the shotgun should be easier to use. I'm simply saying it should be more dependable. I shouldn't have to follow up every single shell with a habitual melee if the target's midsection takes up the entire reticule. I should be able to pull the trigger and kill them if the conditions are met. This is not always the case, and in fact, it's usually not the case.

If you only account only for the 1 hit kill ranges, then the shotgun is underpowered. However, that's why you can fire multiple rounds! The shotgun is the only CQC weapon capable of killing outside of its 1 hit kill range.

Yes, the H3 shotgun was more reliable at point black range, but its range was abysmal; much worse than the Reach one and better than the H2 at least. If a shotgun in a game is only good for melee distance, then it's going to encourage camping.

All I can say is to test it out with a guest to see for yourself.

It personally peeves me when I watch people play and they use the shotgun only when they are a foot away from the person. Another is when people spam their pistol shots.

  • 01.25.2012 5:59 PM PDT

For The Lulz is a worthier cause than For The Win.

From the skies to the ground, I'm the one that'll reign destruction down on you from behind the wheel and the flight stick. Keep your eyes on the rear view mirror, or you may be eating exhaust aside the road, riddled with holes.

My sniper is hungry for souls.

If at first you fail, fail again so that you succeed by wrapping your fail around the continuum into the win zone.


Posted by: Potato Mawnster
Adding on to what I said earlier, to balance the shotgun's short one hit kill range, it has a longer 2 and 3 hit kill range than the Halo 3 one.


True, but that wasn't what I was arguing. I was just saying that in light of its pitiful 1SK range, it's underpowered. No one's saying you can't do follow-up shots for a 2SK or 3SK.

The reason I try to go for 1SK's with the shotty is conservation of ammo. There's no reason to go for a 2SK or 3SK if I have the option of closing the distance enough to just shoot them point blank. Besides, if you go for the 2SK, chances are they'll turn and shoot you enough that you'll be screwed for the next encounter. By no means do I always go for the 1SK, but I strive for it, hence why I'm complaining at all. See, the way I play nowadays is this: I go for multikills. I don't try to stay alive as long as possible, though that usually ends up happening anyway. I try to conserve ammo and engage the enemy in such a way that I'll go into the next encounter with an edge. If I went around 2SK or 3SK'ing people with the shotty, I'd stay alive longer, yeah, but I'd never be getting killtrocities with it.

[Edited on 01.25.2012 6:42 PM PST]

  • 01.25.2012 6:40 PM PDT

You can't spell GARBAGE without AR.


Posted by: MythicSniper

Posted by: Potato Mawnster
Adding on to what I said earlier, to balance the shotgun's short one hit kill range, it has a longer 2 and 3 hit kill range than the Halo 3 one.


True, but that wasn't what I was arguing. I was just saying that in light of its pitiful 1SK range, it's underpowered. No one's saying you can't do follow-up shots for a 2SK or 3SK.

The reason I try to go for 1SK's with the shotty is conservation of ammo. There's no reason to go for a 2SK or 3SK if I have the option of closing the distance enough to just shoot them point blank. Besides, if you go for the 2SK, chances are they'll turn and shoot you enough that you'll be screwed for the next encounter. By no means do I always go for the 1SK, but I strive for it, hence why I'm complaining at all. See, the way I play nowadays is this: I go for multikills. I don't try to stay alive as long as possible, though that usually ends up happening anyway. I try to conserve ammo and engage the enemy in such a way that I'll go into the next encounter with an edge. If I went around 2SK or 3SK'ing people with the shotty, I'd stay alive longer, yeah, but I'd never be getting killtrocities with it.


I agree mostly; the 1 shot kill generally the same as the one from H3, albeit more difficult to perform.

If that's the case, I don't see how it's underpowered.

  • 01.25.2012 6:46 PM PDT

Last member of the i4Ni clan.

inb4everything else OP you are a DMR/Pistol spammer. You could have waay faster killtimes if you actually paced your shots. You're not as good as you brag to be.

  • 01.25.2012 6:48 PM PDT

For The Lulz is a worthier cause than For The Win.

From the skies to the ground, I'm the one that'll reign destruction down on you from behind the wheel and the flight stick. Keep your eyes on the rear view mirror, or you may be eating exhaust aside the road, riddled with holes.

My sniper is hungry for souls.

If at first you fail, fail again so that you succeed by wrapping your fail around the continuum into the win zone.


Posted by: I RaveN I
inb4everything else OP you are a DMR/Pistol spammer. You could have waay faster killtimes if you actually paced your shots. You're not as good as you brag to be.


Mmmmkaayyyyyy.

You must be new to Reach. Spamming the DMR is (sadly) more reliable than pacing. Bungie intended for you to pace your shots, but spammers usually beat pacers.

Also, when did I ever brag?

Troll?

  • 01.25.2012 6:56 PM PDT

For The Lulz is a worthier cause than For The Win.

From the skies to the ground, I'm the one that'll reign destruction down on you from behind the wheel and the flight stick. Keep your eyes on the rear view mirror, or you may be eating exhaust aside the road, riddled with holes.

My sniper is hungry for souls.

If at first you fail, fail again so that you succeed by wrapping your fail around the continuum into the win zone.


Posted by: blade123
Ok, not trying to offend anyone but that is the most retarded wannabe black person I've ever seen. Plus he sounds like he's white? /facepalm I've acted black a couple times back in my teens but nothing like that.

But I din't worry about Inheritors too much anymore. Only when I see 5 star General....then yeah I do.


Hence why I inserted the clip known as "The Worst Black Guy in a Japanese Dub Ever." His voice was hilariously similar to the voice actor's.

  • 01.25.2012 7:20 PM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
Goat was famous. Irie was infamous. Gh0st was FaMaS.

My stats in Halol 4

Typical Waypoint post.
no it's "its got to go" you wouldn't say the "it is got to go" would you?


Posted by: I RaveN I
inb4everything else OP you are a DMR/Pistol spammer. You could have waay faster killtimes if you actually paced your shots. You're not as good as you brag to be.
The irony is that you have a 0.88 k/d and you are negative with the DMR.

  • 01.25.2012 7:24 PM PDT

You can't spell GARBAGE without AR.


Posted by: MythicSniper

Posted by: I RaveN I
inb4everything else OP you are a DMR/Pistol spammer. You could have waay faster killtimes if you actually paced your shots. You're not as good as you brag to be.


Mmmmkaayyyyyy.

You must be new to Reach. Spamming the DMR is (sadly) more reliable than pacing. Bungie intended for you to pace your shots, but spammers usually beat pacers.

Also, when did I ever brag?

Troll?


The problem is that the DMR's cursor is too damn small even when fully bloomed. There isn't really a clear line between useful and useless when fully spamming the DMR at close to med range.

Spamming with the pistol or DMR really isn't an issue; very rarely do people spam all their shots and gets a kill with those weapons.

The DMR should have a larger bloom but faster bloom recovery to deter spamming and promoter pacing.

Then 343 releases this 85 percent bloom BS and totally makes this problem worse tenfold.

[Edited on 01.25.2012 7:45 PM PST]

  • 01.25.2012 7:43 PM PDT

For The Lulz is a worthier cause than For The Win.

From the skies to the ground, I'm the one that'll reign destruction down on you from behind the wheel and the flight stick. Keep your eyes on the rear view mirror, or you may be eating exhaust aside the road, riddled with holes.

My sniper is hungry for souls.

If at first you fail, fail again so that you succeed by wrapping your fail around the continuum into the win zone.


Posted by: Potato Mawnster

Then 343 releases this 85 percent bloom BS and totally makes this problem worse tenfold.


Wait, worse?

Spamming seems to be less of a problem now.

  • 01.25.2012 8:06 PM PDT

Bump, cause I'm an -blam!-.

  • 01.25.2012 9:03 PM PDT

You can't spell GARBAGE without AR.


Posted by: MythicSniper

Posted by: Potato Mawnster

Then 343 releases this 85 percent bloom BS and totally makes this problem worse tenfold.


Wait, worse?

Spamming seems to be less of a problem now.


Let's break down the whole situation:

1. Weapons like the DMR have bloom.

2. When the cursor is large, the shots become inaccurate.

3. Faster firing has the potential for faster kill times while this is offset by the increased reticule size.

4. The DMR's bloom is too small even at max bloom. Weapons like the NR and pistol have large enough bloom to be excluded by default.

5. The smallish size of the DMR bloom makes spamming decently accurate up to mid range.

6. The spammers have a much higher potential kill time than the non-spammers by default.

7. Those who take the effort to pace their shots have a high potential of dying to spammers b/c of the small bloom.

8.Therefore, the results of DMR spamming are arbitrary, but consistent enough to disrupt the gameplay of pacers. All because the bloom on it is too small.

9. 343 comes along and reduces bloom to 85 percent.

10. Bloom is even smaller, but makes this issue extend out to longer ranges due to the even smaller arbitrary bloom.

11. Weapons like the Needle Rifle and Pistol apply to the same problems now due to the smaller reticule.

12. Allofmywhy.jpg

In other words, reducing bloom slightly makes spamming even better. The DMR doesn't have enough bloom to offset its faster fire rate. This is the best I can do to describe it.

[Edited on 01.26.2012 12:26 AM PST]

  • 01.26.2012 12:24 AM PDT

If I could change my username, I would have done it a long time ago, just don't mind the current one.

Actually the worst inheritor is a guy I used to play with, he has a k/d of 0.4, and claims to be 59 years old.

His GT: U STILL HERE

  • 01.26.2012 3:56 AM PDT

No point to it, when you think about it.

In a game where bad people can still get high ranks, you really can't take any rank seriously or try stereotypes. If I see a high rank, there are 3 possibilities:

1. He's (or she's) so good he got enough credits in few games to rank up quickly (commendations + winning bonuses).
2. He plays A LOT, so he might not be amazing, but he's at least experienced to a degree.
3. They boosted, and are therefore terrible or just lazy, in which case the other two can still apply.

  • 01.26.2012 4:16 AM PDT

For The Lulz is a worthier cause than For The Win.

From the skies to the ground, I'm the one that'll reign destruction down on you from behind the wheel and the flight stick. Keep your eyes on the rear view mirror, or you may be eating exhaust aside the road, riddled with holes.

My sniper is hungry for souls.

If at first you fail, fail again so that you succeed by wrapping your fail around the continuum into the win zone.


Posted by: Potato Mawnster
In other words, reducing bloom slightly makes spamming even better. The DMR doesn't have enough bloom to offset its faster fire rate. This is the best I can do to describe it.

I see now. Actually, come to think of it, that makes perfect sense. I really should have seen this coming earlier. I tried the MLG playlist a few times and it was glaringly obvious that spamming the DMR as fast as possible was the best option.

  • 01.26.2012 3:51 PM PDT

Every other high rank i get match with besides my self is always freaking good. To bad there always on the other team. I could use good teammates like them instead of the ones who don't think first and just run in blindly. Yes i search as a random.

  • 01.26.2012 3:55 PM PDT

ShadierLiam:

Screenshot artist, Map Creator, Screenshot Teacher. Nice to meet you :)

I messaged that Clay guy and he just started sending me stupid messages back.
What a looser.

  • 01.26.2012 4:18 PM PDT

Sweet Home Alabama
Roll Tide
We Are Penn State!

OP sounds like a whiny -blam!-. People trash talked all the time in Halo 2. What's wrong OP? Can't handle a little swearing?

  • 01.26.2012 4:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: ShadierLiam
I messaged that Clay guy and he just started sending me stupid messages back.
What a looser.
lol

  • 01.29.2012 6:35 PM PDT