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Subject: Anyone brave enough to try a SLASO run?

Hey guys, I've heard rumours that no one has successfully completed a SLASO run of Halo 2, so I propose that members of this forum try to attempt to complete it and record our progress with either a capture card or FRAPS (for Vista users).

I do have a few questions however: What is SLASO exactly?(Solo Legendary All Skulls On?), has it ever been completed before? What are the requirements of SLASO? And finally, would anyone be willing to attempt this? Is it even possible? xD

To me, Halo 2's Legendary mode wasn't that challenging, although it is definitely the hardest in the series in my opinion. However, the level design, skulls and AI do make me think this will be the biggest challenge to date.

I've got a few exams to deal with over the next 2 weeks, but i'm debating whether or not to attempt a SLASO run and record my progress on the weekends from then on. I can imagine Black Eye, Blind and the Armoury Skull will make this painful...

Anyone else willing to give this a shot? Or is it just an insane task to even think of trying? I'd be happy the questions answered if anything. Thanks again :)

[Edited on 01.17.2012 4:07 PM PST]

  • 01.17.2012 3:55 PM PDT
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Sometimes, I dream about cheese.

didn't Tyrant do it?

  • 01.17.2012 4:00 PM PDT


Posted by: path1k
didn't Tyrant do it?

I've never heard of him :/ is there any proof? I'm curious to see..

  • 01.17.2012 4:01 PM PDT

Yes, I AM just that awesome.

Isn't Tyrant Cody Miller?

Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: path1k
didn't Tyrant do it?

I've never heard of him :/ is there any proof? I'm curious to see..



Anyway, Cody Miller did do a Legendary run, I don't think it was SLASO though. As far as I know, I've only seen Sliding Ghost do SLASO vids.

  • 01.17.2012 4:12 PM PDT


Posted by: path1k
didn't Tyrant do it?
Nope, he can do the rest but not H2.

  • 01.17.2012 4:12 PM PDT

I would if I had the skulls.

  • 01.17.2012 4:16 PM PDT
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Come on you guys, haven't you heard of MisterMonopoli? He's a living legend (although I fear him greatly. He called me an impudent youth for uploading a video with static sounds... :( It was unintentional!!).

Anyways, afaik, these are the people who have attempted SLASO:

-MisterMonopoli (completed several missions)
-Grumpy (completed 1 mission IIRC)
-AuraSoldier (completed 1 mission afaik)
-me (I came close on Uprising. Failed Oracle because I suck at elevator skipping (even if I made it to the boss battle, I would have treated it like Lone Wolf and allowed myself to get shot down). Suck at OS because I'm not a speedrunner. Don't have the patience to do CS. And GJ is not worth it because that part with the garden is difficult unless you skip it)

And Womy has done CS with some skulls on.

[Edited on 01.17.2012 5:06 PM PST]

  • 01.17.2012 4:37 PM PDT
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As for SLASO, it's not terribly difficult... Well ok, it is. It's so goddamn agonizing. If anything, pick your favorite level and stick with it. Don't bother with the others. 1 level alone is impressive (that includes Outskirts which isn't easy as it looks).

Here's how to deal with the enemies.

Elites: assassinate them or stick them to make them go into melee mode (when they stop shooting and try to melee you). Use noob combo on Zealots (their shields aren't uber). Bait Honor guards on Delta Halo with the Ghost.

Heretic Elites: on Flood levels, let the Flood kill them. Otherwise, assassinate. And again, noob combo (or plasma rifle). And use grenade sticks to get them into melee mode.

Flood Elite combat forms: Noob combo (or plasma rifle). If you fight them up close, use the sword... just don't swing madly with the sword and don't fight them up close if there's more than 2.

Grunts, Heretic Grunts: Always headshots. Don't bother trying to get an assassination.

Drones: Shoot them with headshot capable weapons.

Brutes and Jackals are pretty much easy prey but avoid berserking Brutes and be careful around snipers.

SLASO completion possibility:

*only for speedrunners
**only for gods or the patient ones
*** both

CS** - 50%
OS*
Metropolis***
Arbiter - 70%
Oracle** - 60% (70% if you exclude the boss battle)
DH*
Gravemind***
Uprising* - As this can be done without speedrunning, 60-70%
HC*
GJ** - 40%

Good starter missions to warm your feet:

The Arbiter
Uprising

[Edited on 01.17.2012 5:00 PM PST]

  • 01.17.2012 4:58 PM PDT


Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Come on you guys, haven't you heard of MisterMonopoli? He's a living legend (although I fear him greatly. He called me an impudent youth for uploading a video with static sounds... :( ).

Anyways, afaik, these are the people who have attempted SLASO:

-MisterMonopoli (completed several missions)
-Grumpy (completed 1 mission IIRC)
-AuraSoldier (completed 1 mission afaik)
-me (I came close on Uprising. Failed Oracle because I suck at elevator skipping (even if I made it to the boss battle, I would have treated it like Lone Wolf and allowed myself to get shot down). Suck at OS because I'm not a speedrunner. Don't have the patience to do CS. And GJ is not worth it because that part with the garden is difficult unless you skip it)

And Womy has done CS with some skulls on.
I betcha womy would do well. If anyone wants to try, the runs are done level by level and are called segmented runs. However, the segmented runs are divided; a single segment means you did the level with no deaths and a segmented run means you finished the level but died x amount of times.

So...
Go get all skulls
Choose a level
Choose difficulty (segmented or single segment)
Get slaughtered

It's really fun to try this, kinda awesome. The amount of firepower coming from stealth AI is amazing to behold, if you can live long enough to actually behold anything. All the while, dreaded Black Eye is rearing it's ugly head, straight from a demon sorcerer and you can't fricking keep track of nades, health or motion because of Blind. Your Marines get slaughtered because they are not bound by the laws of Assassins and they are fighting Mythic AI so frightening you'd think the Grunts are Gods. All enemies shoot faster because of Angry and you are always down on ammo because of Famine. Grunts toss nades with lethal accuracy because of Catch and you can't hide behind objects because everything flies with Sputnik on. And they are always looking in your direction thanks to Armory.

Otherwise, it's not that hard.



[Edited on 01.17.2012 5:40 PM PST]

  • 01.17.2012 5:06 PM PDT

I'm going to set my entire week to get these skulls. And when I do, I will rise above and tackle Uprising! Then I will trek to Earth and dominate Outskirts!

*laughs in an evil manner*

  • 01.17.2012 5:54 PM PDT


Posted by: InvasionImminent
I'm going to set my entire week to get these skulls. And when I do, I will rise above and tackle Uprising! Then I will trek to Earth and dominate Outskirts!

*laughs in an evil manner*

Just be sure to make profiles for each skull, it's basically an achievement in itself lol.

Good luck and be sure to film it, it can be hilarious.

If you want to be recognized for finishing a level, film it and go here. Monopoli finished H2 SLASO but it was done segmented. Nobody has done it in single segments although certain levels have been done.

I regard Monopoli the greatest FPS player ever because of his segmented victory.


[Edited on 01.17.2012 6:18 PM PST]

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Posted by: Grumpy1

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
I betcha womy would do well.
Better than me, that's for sure. I'm a quitter.

Posted by: Grumpy1
It's really fun to try this, kinda awesome.
Awesome, yes. Fun, no.

LASO (all skulls except Blind) is alright, as well as a segmented effort, but Blind skull is the problem with SLASO (single segment).

It snatches all my confidence away (and likely anyone who dares to try it). It's not the loss of reticle, the loss of grenade count and type, the loss of weapon info, or even the invisible, omniscient (which I condemn in Reach) enemies, but it's the loss of the shield bar that makes me regret every attempting SLASO.

I'd give anything for a Blind skull that didn't take away the shield meter. I tried Uprising, Oracle, and CS today and I failed all of them. I never get past the elevator part on Oracle. Uprising is too random and it's excruciatingly difficult to get into the next room. And for CS, I can't get past the next room and Johnson disappears too much.

So I give up. I was out of my mind thinking about re-doing it. I'm just going to mod the plasma pistol and pistol on CS and play with some skulls on.

[Edited on 01.17.2012 7:13 PM PST]

  • 01.17.2012 7:11 PM PDT


Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Posted by: Grumpy1

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
I betcha womy would do well.
Better than me, that's for sure. I'm a quitter.

Posted by: Grumpy1
It's really fun to try this, kinda awesome.
Awesome, yes. Fun, no.

LASO (all skulls except Blind) is alright, as well as a segmented effort, but Blind skull is the problem with SLASO (single segment).

It snatches all my confidence away (and likely anyone who dares to try it). It's not the loss of reticle, the loss of grenade count and type, the loss of weapon info, or even the invisible, omniscient (which I condemn in Reach) enemies, but it's the loss of the shield bar that makes me regret every attempting SLASO.

I'd give anything for a Blind skull that didn't take away the shield meter. I tried Uprising, Oracle, and CS today and I failed all of them. I never get past the elevator part on Oracle. Uprising is too random and it's excruciatingly difficult to get into the next room. And for CS, I can't get past the next room and Johnson disappears too much.

So I give up. I was out of my mind thinking about re-doing it. I'm just going to mod the plasma pistol and pistol on CS and play with some skulls on.

Johnson disappears too much? Hmm, I had a strategy lined up for that Cairo (bring Johnson as far as possible and use him as bait to distract the Covies) but if that's the case, I may need to rethink it.

Anyways, a few final questions about SLASO, I'm assuming the Perma Camo is out of the question? Are you allowed to use "Shortcuts" i.e the rooftops of Outskirts or using a Ghost to get higher out of the map? Or does it have to be a solid run with no tricks?

  • 01.18.2012 7:49 AM PDT


Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Posted by: Grumpy1

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
I betcha womy would do well.
Better than me, that's for sure. I'm a quitter.

Posted by: Grumpy1
It's really fun to try this, kinda awesome.
Awesome, yes. Fun, no.

LASO (all skulls except Blind) is alright, as well as a segmented effort, but Blind skull is the problem with SLASO (single segment).

It snatches all my confidence away (and likely anyone who dares to try it). It's not the loss of reticle, the loss of grenade count and type, the loss of weapon info, or even the invisible, omniscient (which I condemn in Reach) enemies, but it's the loss of the shield bar that makes me regret every attempting SLASO.

I'd give anything for a Blind skull that didn't take away the shield meter. I tried Uprising, Oracle, and CS today and I failed all of them. I never get past the elevator part on Oracle. Uprising is too random and it's excruciatingly difficult to get into the next room. And for CS, I can't get past the next room and Johnson disappears too much.

So I give up. I was out of my mind thinking about re-doing it. I'm just going to mod the plasma pistol and pistol on CS and play with some skulls on.

Johnson disappears too much? Hmm, I had a strategy lined up for that Cairo (bring Johnson as far as possible and use him as bait to distract the Covies) but if that's the case, I may need to rethink it.

Anyways, a few final questions about SLASO, I'm assuming the Perma Camo is out of the question? Are you allowed to use "Shortcuts" i.e the rooftops of Outskirts or using a Ghost to get higher out of the map? Or does it have to be a solid run with no tricks?
Survive anyway you can. If it were a real war, using rooftops or bypassing certain fights is part of the strategy.

If a guy does stay on street level and bypasses nothing, then he would be considered a god. On the 2 levels I finished I never fired a shot, to stop and fire once meant certain death for me.

  • 01.18.2012 8:55 AM PDT

Ah that's good, in that case I may give this a shot. I've been watching MisterMonopoli's Cairo playthrough, it's pretty epic to say the least.

So am I right to say permanent camo is out of the question?

  • 01.18.2012 9:01 AM PDT


Posted by: Wilis_kid
Ah that's good, in that case I may give this a shot. I've been watching MisterMonopoli's Cairo playthrough, it's pretty epic to say the least.

So am I right to say permanent camo is out of the question?
Yeah, once you have all skulls on it's impossible to get perma-cammo because you have to turn the machine off to get it plus to complete a level you have to start from the beginning and you can't do that with perma-cammo.

Also, there's coop (CLASO...lol) and nobody has ever even tried it. I think 2 good players could beat it.



[Edited on 01.18.2012 9:20 AM PST]

  • 01.18.2012 9:09 AM PDT


Posted by: Grumpy1

Posted by: Wilis_kid
Ah that's good, in that case I may give this a shot. I've been watching MisterMonopoli's Cairo playthrough, it's pretty epic to say the least.

So am I right to say permanent camo is out of the question?
Yeah, once you have all skulls on it's impossible to get perma-cammo because you have to turn the machine off to get it plus to complete a level you have to start from the beginning and you can't do that with perma-cammo.

Ah I see, didn't think of it like that..

Well in that case, this has to be do-able. Without dying all the way through? I have no idea...I'll start my attempt next Saturday and hopefully I have one or two tricks that could help...It's Cairo (Hangar) and The Oracle (Heretic Leader) I'm worried about...

  • 01.18.2012 9:17 AM PDT
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MisterMonopoli is a god :o I'm watching the segmented runs..


Anyway, I think it would be cool if they brought back the Assassins skull in Halo 4.

[Edited on 01.18.2012 9:18 AM PST]

  • 01.18.2012 9:17 AM PDT


Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: Grumpy1

Posted by: Wilis_kid
Ah that's good, in that case I may give this a shot. I've been watching MisterMonopoli's Cairo playthrough, it's pretty epic to say the least.

So am I right to say permanent camo is out of the question?
Yeah, once you have all skulls on it's impossible to get perma-cammo because you have to turn the machine off to get it plus to complete a level you have to start from the beginning and you can't do that with perma-cammo.

Ah I see, didn't think of it like that..

Well in that case, this has to be do-able. Without dying all the way through? I have no idea...I'll start my attempt next Saturday and hopefully I have one or two tricks that could help...It's Cairo (Hangar) and The Oracle (Heretic Leader) I'm worried about...
You can play segmented (level by level) which means you can die and that is what Monopoli finished. Or you can do it in single segment (level by level) runs which means you cannot die. Nobody has ever finished that one, Monopoli has come the closest.

It would be advisable to do OS or one of the easier levels first, you don't have to do them in order. Maybe work up to Cairo, Gravemind, Oracle and the lot. I did OS and QZ and got slaughtered everywhere else.

I think I died nearly 4 million times, give or take.


[Edited on 01.18.2012 9:31 AM PST]

  • 01.18.2012 9:29 AM PDT


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Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: Grumpy1

Posted by: Wilis_kid
Ah that's good, in that case I may give this a shot. I've been watching MisterMonopoli's Cairo playthrough, it's pretty epic to say the least.

So am I right to say permanent camo is out of the question?
Yeah, once you have all skulls on it's impossible to get perma-cammo because you have to turn the machine off to get it plus to complete a level you have to start from the beginning and you can't do that with perma-cammo.

Ah I see, didn't think of it like that..

Well in that case, this has to be do-able. Without dying all the way through? I have no idea...I'll start my attempt next Saturday and hopefully I have one or two tricks that could help...It's Cairo (Hangar) and The Oracle (Heretic Leader) I'm worried about...
You can play segmented (level by level) which means you can die and that is what Monopoli finished. Or you can do it in single segment (level by level) runs which means you cannot die. Nobody has ever finished that one, Monopoli has come the closest.

It would be advisable to do OS or one of the easier levels first, you don't have to do them in order. Maybe work up to Cairo, Gravemind, Oracle and the lot. I did OS and QZ and got slaughtered everywhere else.

I think I died nearly 4 million times, give or take.

I can imagine, this game has alot of choke points which pretty much doesn't leave you with many options.

Well, I'll make a start next weekend, see how far I get. I'm going for a single run without dying and will keep retrying the levels till I achieve this. I'll upload a combination of fails/deaths after I complete a level (If i complete a level xD) for amusement.

  • 01.18.2012 9:49 AM PDT

Yes, post fails too, they are fun to watch.

You sound serious so you want to film getting each skull at least once. You don't have to do it every time, that's a bit much. At least in my thread it's an honor thing but we can pretty much tell if a guy is cheating.

Maybe in a remake they will give us a skull menu.

  • 01.18.2012 10:15 AM PDT


Posted by: Grumpy1
Yes, post fails too, they are fun to watch.

You sound serious so you want to film getting each skull at least once. You don't have to do it every time, that's a bit much. At least in my thread it's an honor thing but we can pretty much tell if a guy is cheating.

Maybe in a remake they will give us a skull menu.

I may record myself gathering the skulls as proof, but I intend to do this without cheating, only what is allowed by the game. I noticed that MisterMonopoli used the Sword Lunge trick on Cairo, I don't think this is do-able on Halo 2 Vista as I believe they've patched it there. I'll see if I have any tricks up my sleeve or I can just get a capture card and do an Xbox run pre-patch.

  • 01.18.2012 10:29 AM PDT


Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: Grumpy1
Yes, post fails too, they are fun to watch.

You sound serious so you want to film getting each skull at least once. You don't have to do it every time, that's a bit much. At least in my thread it's an honor thing but we can pretty much tell if a guy is cheating.

Maybe in a remake they will give us a skull menu.

I may record myself gathering the skulls as proof, but I intend to do this without cheating, only what is allowed by the game. I noticed that MisterMonopoli used the Sword Lunge trick on Cairo, I don't think this is do-able on Halo 2 Vista as I believe they've patched it there. I'll see if I have any tricks up my sleeve or I can just get a capture card and do an Xbox run pre-patch.
Heh, a no-lunge run would be awesome. This is great, I don't lunge so I might learn a few things.

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Posted by: Wilis_kid

Johnson disappears too much? Hmm, I had a strategy lined up for that Cairo (bring Johnson as far as possible and use him as bait to distract the Covies) but if that's the case, I may need to rethink it.
It's just a matter of babysitting. But with Sputnik on, not only do you have to whack him, but you also have to setup elaborate blockades. As for distracting Covies, that's what I did for the first hangar.

As for your questions, SLASO does not limit anything, other than conventional strategies and cheating (perma camo is cheating).

Posted by: Wilis_kid
Ah that's good, in that case I may give this a shot. I've been watching MisterMonopoli's Cairo playthrough, it's pretty epic to say the least.
Monopoli's tactical (yes it requires skill. I tried his rush tactic and I only lasted about 30 seconds. You can't just swing the sword madly, although I still don't know how he survives those cqc battles with the Flood...) rush at the 2 hangars is extremely risky albeit godly.

That is one reason why I tested Cairo. So I could find alternate strategies for potential future knights in training (like you).

I take back what I said earlier btw; Uprising is only for lucky and pro speedrunners. Cairo Station would be the best to start with, at least until you get to the first hangar. It has allied support, an invincible ally, plenty of ammo, and some great encounters!!

[Edited on 01.18.2012 3:30 PM PST]

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Posted by: Wilis_kid

It's Cairo (Hangar) and The Oracle (Heretic Leader) I'm worried about...
The Heretic leader is a liability on SLASO.

As a Mythic guru, I have pledged to make SLASO fun so that 1) more people will attempt it 2) people can develop skill, the divine knowledge of AI, and come up with their own strategies 3) people can learn the way of the methodical approach, something that is often abandoned in SLASO in favor of high risk speedrunning 4) controlled aggression.

Because how is it fair if only gods get to have fun?

But the Heretic leader is out of the question. He's got to go. I propose to make the fight with him optional, like Lone Wolf. If someone somehow manages to complete Oracle + boss fight single segment, that would be phenomenal.

But I believe only 1/16 of the earth's population can survive that match. As Monopoli has shown, you cannot hide. You must be aggressive and attack the leader as soon as it begins. There's 1 problem with that IIRC. The leader doesn't always go over the Seraph. And even if he does, it isn't easy. The fight is a pain in the ass.

And with that, I'm off. I'm going to find a strategy to break that boss battle so I can take back all I've said.

[Edited on 01.18.2012 3:50 PM PST]

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