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Subject: No sense in spawnkilling "Gang Style"

Posted by: Killer VVhale
I don't enjoy spawn killing because it means the other team is literally not even half as good as us.
lolwut

We spawnkill all the time in MLG to pull the flag. In the other social playlists however, the entire game is usually a massive spawnkillfest so I guess that's sort of right.

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Posted by: MrFortunato

But spawn killing is more efficient at letting them secure the win.

Should they also let you have the Rockets because, "they've gotten enough kills with them for one game"?

[Edited on 01.18.2012 3:08 PM PST]

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Posted by: Killer VVhale
I don't enjoy spawn killing because it means the other team is literally not even half as good as us.
lolwut

We spawnkill all the time in MLG to pull the flag. In the other social playlists however, the entire game is usually a massive spawnkillfest so I guess that's sort of right.

They are talking about a full game worth of it. Spawn killing a team that is good can't be kept up that long. If the team is decent they will break a spawn trap in under a minute, usually.

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In default its called spawn killing. In MLG its called being the better team

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Posted by: vballryan
In default its called spawn killing. In MLG its called being the better team

It's just called map control.

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Posted by: Shad0wSlayer117
People most likely Spawn kill because they don't have what it takes to challenge people in any other way.

LAWL

If you get spawn killed it means the other team is much much much better than you. That's it.

Dude they are worse, all they do is stand there with their DMR's, Snipers, Shotguns, vehicles, etc. and giving the enemy team virtually no chance to fight back. And why do people do that? Because they know they can't win otherwise. So tell me, who is REALLY better than who in that situation?

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Posted by: Shad0wSlayer117
People most likely Spawn kill because they don't have what it takes to challenge people in any other way.

LAWL

If you get spawn killed it means the other team is much much much better than you. That's it.

Dude they are worse, all they do is stand there with their DMR's, Snipers, Shotguns, vehicles, etc. and giving the enemy team virtually no chance to fight back. And why do people do that? Because they know they can't win otherwise. So tell me, who is REALLY better than who in that situation?


If you were better, you'd be the one spawn-killing.

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They're better than you. You deserved it.
A full party that can't score a bomb playing against randoms is considered good now?

  • 01.18.2012 3:12 PM PDT

But spawn killing is more efficient at letting them secure the win.

Should they also let you have the Rockets because, "they've gotten enough kills with them for one game"?


I'm not saying any of that. What I'm saying is that pinning an enemy team in their base and keeping them there untill the match ends simply kills the enjoyment for said trapped team. Once they're out of their base, everything is in flux and anything can happen, if the better team gets all the good weapons and vehicles, so be it, they're better, they can use them to gain an advantage, but at least even in this situation, the less skilled team can still rack up a few kills and potentially get these weapons and vehicles for themselves (as I say, eveything is in flux).

It's for that reason I favour a system where a team physically cannot get into an enemy base. The battle can only take place outside of it in that case.

EDIT: In objective games I'm a little less sure to be honest... a quick spawn trap to pin the enemy down whilst you take the objective is a sound strategy in my opinion - provided of course you break it off once the objective is clear/achieved. But for team deathmatch and the like I say it's a definate no-no, spawn-killing, even if it does take a degree of communication and skill to achieve, makes it no fun at all for the trapped team - doesn't mean you should give them weapons, not suggesting that, but at least give them a fair chance at beating you by not forcing them to stay in their base.

[Edited on 01.18.2012 3:15 PM PST]

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Posted by: Shad0wSlayer117
Posted by: Killer VVhale
Posted by: Shad0wSlayer117
People most likely Spawn kill because they don't have what it takes to challenge people in any other way.

LAWL

If you get spawn killed it means the other team is much much much better than you. That's it.

Dude they are worse, all they do is stand there with their DMR's, Snipers, Shotguns, vehicles, etc. and giving the enemy team virtually no chance to fight back. And why do people do that? Because they know they can't win otherwise. So tell me, who is REALLY better than who in that situation?

The other team didn't simply spawn with all the power weapons and vehicles handed to them. They didn't spawn top mid. They had to earn map control by killing you guys off and pushing you back to your base. Obviously they're not going to give you a 5 second head start when you spawn. If they see you, they'll shoot.

I doubt you'd do anything different if your team had map control.

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Posted by: Shad0wSlayer117
People most likely Spawn kill because they don't have what it takes to challenge people in any other way.

LAWL

If you get spawn killed it means the other team is much much much better than you. That's it.

Dude they are worse, all they do is stand there with their DMR's, Snipers, Shotguns, vehicles, etc. and giving the enemy team virtually no chance to fight back. And why do people do that? Because they know they can't win otherwise. So tell me, who is REALLY better than who in that situation?

Your logic is horrible. They are trying to win and using the most effective strategy for it.

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Posted by: Shad0wSlayer117
People most likely Spawn kill because they don't have what it takes to challenge people in any other way.

LAWL

If you get spawn killed it means the other team is much much much better than you. That's it.

Dude they are worse, all they do is stand there with their DMR's, Snipers, Shotguns, vehicles, etc. and giving the enemy team virtually no chance to fight back. And why do people do that? Because they know they can't win otherwise. So tell me, who is REALLY better than who in that situation?


If you were better, you'd be the one spawn-killing.

This.

How did they get all these snipers and DMRs and banshees and tanks? They got control of the map, killed your whole team and took them. Against a team with equal skill to you breaking a spawn trap is quite easy.

Are you expecting the team to just kill you and then go sit at their own base and wait for you to try again?

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They're better than you. You deserved it.
A full party that can't score a bomb playing against randoms is considered good now?


They choose not to cap a bomb or get a flag cap.

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Posted by: Shad0wSlayer117

Posted by: Killer VVhale

Posted by: Shad0wSlayer117
People most likely Spawn kill because they don't have what it takes to challenge people in any other way.

LAWL

If you get spawn killed it means the other team is much much much better than you. That's it.

Dude they are worse, all they do is stand there with their DMR's, Snipers, Shotguns, vehicles, etc. and giving the enemy team virtually no chance to fight back. And why do people do that? Because they know they can't win otherwise. So tell me, who is REALLY better than who in that situation?


I can't tell you how much I agree. It drives me crazy when at the start of a match the other team cheats and spawns in vehicles or with power weapons looking right at my spawn! I don't even get a chance! And then of course they cheat more by making it so I can't quit! D:<

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Posted by: MrFortunato
But spawn killing is more efficient at letting them secure the win.

Should they also let you have the Rockets because, "they've gotten enough kills with them for one game"?


I'm not saying any of that. What I'm saying is that pinning an enemy team in their base and keeping them there untill the match ends simply kills the enjoyment for said trapped team. Once they're out of their base, everything is in flux and anything can happen, if the better team gets all the good weapons and vehicles, so be it, they're better, they can use them to gain an advantage, but at least even in this situation, the less skilled team can still rack up a few kills and potentially get these weapons and vehicles for themselves (as I say, eveything is in flux).

It's for that reason I favour a system where a team physically cannot get into an enemy base. The battle can only take place outside of it in that case.


Still doesn't change anything. Spawn killing is done because it works. Giving the other team the chance to move and organize is just giving them the chance beat you.

Also if it was setup like that then they would just camp the base exits.

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Posted by: Shad0wSlayer117
People most likely Spawn kill because they don't have what it takes to challenge people in any other way.

LAWL

If you get spawn killed it means the other team is much much much better than you. That's it.

Dude they are worse, all they do is stand there with their DMR's, Snipers, Shotguns, vehicles, etc. and giving the enemy team virtually no chance to fight back. And why do people do that? Because they know they can't win otherwise. So tell me, who is REALLY better than who in that situation?

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  • 01.18.2012 3:20 PM PDT

But spawn killing is more efficient at letting them secure the win.

Should they also let you have the Rockets because, "they've gotten enough kills with them for one game"?

I'm not saying any of that. What I'm saying is that pinning an enemy team in their base and keeping them there untill the match ends simply kills the enjoyment for said trapped team. Once they're out of their base, everything is in flux and anything can happen, if the better team gets all the good weapons and vehicles, so be it, they're better, they can use them to gain an advantage, but at least even in this situation, the less skilled team can still rack up a few kills and potentially get these weapons and vehicles for themselves (as I say, eveything is in flux).

It's for that reason I favour a system where a team physically cannot get into an enemy base. The battle can only take place outside of it in that case.


Still doesn't change anything. Spawn killing is done because it works. Giving the other team the chance to move and organize is just giving them the chance beat you.

Also if it was setup like that then they would just camp the base exits.


It works, no doubt, but as I mentioned before, games are meant to be enjoyed. A team of randoms fighting a party communicating with each other has little/no chance of escaping the spawn trap unless they are all exceptionally skilled. Tell me, would a team of randoms be enjoying themselves in that situation? Handing over weapons I also do not advocate, but by letting the enemy out you give them a decent/half-decent chance of at least a reasonable fight (still won't matter if you're skilled and communicating with a party) - at least then you can present yourself with a challenge and one team isn't spawn killed.


Yup, I can see where you're coming from with the camping the exits, but that can be limited by how many exits there are and how many players there are per side, I still think that's preferable to actually be able to be inside the base though, as (only e.g. I can think of at the moment) for example, on Haemorrage.

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It isn't our shiznit anymore.

Game needs unanimous surrender option when more than half your team quits out. :/

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Posted by: Killer VVhale

Posted by: Shad0wSlayer117
People most likely Spawn kill because they don't have what it takes to challenge people in any other way.

LAWL

If you get spawn killed it means the other team is much much much better than you. That's it.

Dude they are worse, all they do is stand there with their DMR's, Snipers, Shotguns, vehicles, etc. and giving the enemy team virtually no chance to fight back. And why do people do that? Because they know they can't win otherwise. So tell me, who is REALLY better than who in that situation?

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Posted by: MrFortunato
It works, no doubt, but as I mentioned before, games are meant to be enjoyed. A team of randoms fighting a party communicating with each other has little/no chance of escaping the spawn trap unless they are all exceptionally skilled. Tell me, would a team of randoms be enjoying themselves in that situation?

Yup, I can see where you're coming from with the camping the exits, but that can be limited by how many exits there are and how many players there are per side, I still think that's preferable to actually be able to be inside the base though, as (only e.g. I can think of at the moment) for example, on Haemorrage.

I don't need to communicate with the other people in my party to stomp on thumbless idiots.

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Posted by: MrFortunato
It works, no doubt, but as I mentioned before, games are meant to be enjoyed. A team of randoms fighting a party communicating with each other has little/no chance of escaping the spawn trap unless they are all exceptionally skilled. Tell me, would a team of randoms be enjoying themselves in that situation? Handing over weapons I also do not advocate, but by letting the enemy out you give them a decent/half-decent chance of at least a reasonable fight (still won't matter if you're skilled and communicating with a party) - and at least then you can present yourself with a challenge and one team isn't spawn killed.

Yup, I can see where you're coming from with the camping the exits, but that can be limited by how many exits there are and how many players there are per side, I still think that's preferable to actually be able to be inside the base though, as (only e.g. I can think of at the moment) for example, on Haemorrage.

I can understand that being spawnkilled isn't enjoyable to you, but the teams aren't going to stop. It gets results and it gets them fast. This won't change.

  • 01.18.2012 3:27 PM PDT

I can understand that being spawnkilled isn't enjoyable to you, but the teams aren't going to stop. It gets results and it gets them fast. This won't change.

Yeah I know... a shame really, it's almost like there has been a shift in the gaming (not just the Halo one) community so that it's more about stats rather than enjoyment now :/ hence tactics like this "because they get results".

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Posted by: MrFortunato
I can understand that being spawnkilled isn't enjoyable to you, but the teams aren't going to stop. It gets results and it gets them fast. This won't change.

Yeah I know... a shame really, it's almost like there has been a shift in the gaming (not just the Halo one) community so that it's more about stats rather than enjoyment now :/ hence tactics like this "because they get results".


I would have to try to be bad so you people could move off your spawn. You see I don't like trying so I just walk around and shoot things, its not my problem if the other team sucks.

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They're better than you. You deserved it.
A full party that can't score a bomb playing against randoms is considered good now?


They choose not to cap a bomb or get a flag cap.
I understand not scoring the final flag/bomb so that you can spawn kill, but that 3rd game they didn't even score once. If they were truly good, they would have scored at least once and THEN spawn killed.

[Edited on 01.18.2012 3:49 PM PST]

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