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Subject: How Total is Glassing?

Evidence has occasionally turned up that glassing is not a total planetary destruction, particularly Noble 6's helmet. Yet on condemned, it is clear that Reach has become nearly 100% lava on the surface.

  • 01.21.2012 8:39 AM PDT

Well don't forget that Reach wasn't all the way glassed.Those that are totally glassed become big balls of glass.

  • 01.21.2012 8:52 AM PDT

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Halo Reach pretty much messed with the whole concept of the Covenant being able to glass entire planets.

In the novels, planets are completely glassed. Cinders.

In the game, Reach was not completely glassed, and the data pads suggest that the Covenant dont have the resources to render an entire planet into glass

  • 01.21.2012 10:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Reach retconned glassing to be more of a shock-and-awe tactic which was mostly used on important locations rather than a tool of complete planetary destruction. Glasslands retconned it back to before, but I prefer the Reach version.

  • 01.21.2012 11:14 AM PDT
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It didn't change it back. Glasslands just said that planets are covered in patches of Glassed areas.

  • 01.21.2012 11:37 AM PDT

The very term 'glassing' was given to the 'plasma immolation' the Covenant use to lend it a barbarous and sinister tone, a colourless word which reinforces the idea that a planet is irrevocably ruined.

That's why the Assembly encouraged that term, because the idea of planets being 'glassed' would inspire the most morale into troops and potential troops. In reality, plasma bombardment was incredibly resource-intensive for the Covenant to carry out and total glassing was rarely used (if ever?) Instead, they glass only the most valuable areas to the enemy.

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  • 01.21.2012 11:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


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The Covenant doesn't glass the whole planet, just enough to set it on fire and destroy the atmosphere, making the planet inhabitable. Reach had a LOT of forests, so it was pretty easy to combust.

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what about terraforming? would you be able to fix a glassed planet eventually?

  • 01.21.2012 1:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


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Posted by: elemenohpee
what about terraforming? would you be able to fix a glassed planet eventually?


Yes. The UNSC was able to do so to Reach in 2553.

  • 01.21.2012 1:29 PM PDT


Posted by: katamariguy
Evidence has occasionally turned up that glassing is not a total planetary destruction, particularly Noble 6's helmet. Yet on condemned, it is clear that Reach has become nearly 100% lava on the surface.


IIRC, on Condemned is nearly all firestorms and atmospheric reflection of said fire, not lava.

  • 01.21.2012 1:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
Halo Reach pretty much messed with the whole concept of the Covenant being able to glass entire planets.

In the novels, planets are completely glassed. Cinders.

In the game, Reach was not completely glassed, and the data pads suggest that the Covenant dont have the resources to render an entire planet into glass


Reach was never completely glassed. A portion of it was excavated by the Covenant and therefore untouched. Similar things happened on other planets with Forerunner artifacts the Covenant desired. They'd glass everything but the location of interest.

And Glassing is usually total. At least based on the novel's description of glassing.

  • 01.21.2012 1:36 PM PDT


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Posted by: HipiO7
Halo Reach pretty much messed with the whole concept of the Covenant being able to glass entire planets.

In the novels, planets are completely glassed. Cinders.

In the game, Reach was not completely glassed, and the data pads suggest that the Covenant dont have the resources to render an entire planet into glass


Reach was never completely glassed. A portion of it was excavated by the Covenant and therefore untouched. Similar things happened on other planets with Forerunner artifacts the Covenant desired. They'd glass everything but the location of interest.

And Glassing is usually total. At least based on the novel's description of glassing.


Well, there is another detail from The Fall of Reach many people seem to forget/ignore.

Humans, if possible, rarely stayed and watched the entire thing. and as far as I remember, they never returned to 'glassed' colonies during the war.

  • 01.21.2012 1:45 PM PDT

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There was no reason to. They didn't have the resources or the time to reclaim them.

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As far as I can remember glassing usually is total, maybe not 100%, but enough to make the planet pretty much inhabitable. They would start their glassing at the poles and come down to the equator. If I remember right, plasma boils away the atmosphere too. Eventually the planet heals itself like Harvest or Reach (cant remember), but I remember one of the planets that was completely glassed was indeed recolonized.

  • 01.21.2012 1:51 PM PDT

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Not all planets were glassed completely. Harvest wasn't glassed completely, Halo wars shows that. Kholo was semi glassed. I could names others when I remember them.

  • 01.21.2012 2:02 PM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
Halo Reach pretty much messed with the whole concept of the Covenant being able to glass entire planets.

In the novels, planets are completely glassed. Cinders.

In the game, Reach was not completely glassed, and the data pads suggest that the Covenant dont have the resources to render an entire planet into glass


I beg to differ. Have you read Halo: First Strike? Note that Menachite Mountain and CASTLE Base were left untouched, as well as a good chunk of the surrounding territory. They unfortunately DID end up glassing the whole place after Halsey and the gang abandoned ship and got the hell out of there. Which pisses me off, because the ending of Reach (with Menachite Mountain visible in the backdrop, and a happy scene of a green Reach) completely contradicts that. I hate it when they do stuff like that. Thoughts?

  • 01.21.2012 2:14 PM PDT

It was actually never stated they glassed the place after Halsey and the gang left.

  • 01.21.2012 2:17 PM PDT

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It isn't total, according to Halo Wars and Halo: Reach, just patches of glass.

  • 01.21.2012 2:27 PM PDT


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Posted by: HipiO7
Halo Reach pretty much messed with the whole concept of the Covenant being able to glass entire planets.

In the novels, planets are completely glassed. Cinders.

In the game, Reach was not completely glassed, and the data pads suggest that the Covenant dont have the resources to render an entire planet into glass


I beg to differ. Have you read Halo: First Strike? Note that Menachite Mountain and CASTLE Base were left untouched, as well as a good chunk of the surrounding territory. They unfortunately DID end up glassing the whole place after Halsey and the gang abandoned ship and got the hell out of there. Which pisses me off, because the ending of Reach (with Menachite Mountain visible in the backdrop, and a happy scene of a green Reach) completely contradicts that. I hate it when they do stuff like that. Thoughts?



How do we even know that Menachite Mountain in the background?

Also, when they left the planet where does it state they see them glass the entire thing? IIRC, it never states they moved to glass the planet after chasing the AJ.

  • 01.21.2012 2:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: HipiO7
Halo Reach pretty much messed with the whole concept of the Covenant being able to glass entire planets.

In the novels, planets are completely glassed. Cinders.

In the game, Reach was not completely glassed, and the data pads suggest that the Covenant dont have the resources to render an entire planet into glass


Reach was never completely glassed. A portion of it was excavated by the Covenant and therefore untouched. Similar things happened on other planets with Forerunner artifacts the Covenant desired. They'd glass everything but the location of interest.

And Glassing is usually total. At least based on the novel's description of glassing.


Obviously I know that the area surrounding CASTLE BASE and it's perimeter were not glassed, but contrast that small portion compared to the rest of the planet on fire. You could say it was completely glassed.

Anyways, we don't know if after John and the boys high tailed it out of there with the Crystal if the Covenant finished glassing what was left. You could assume they did, and did that with all other planets they conquered.

Yeah, I like the novels representation of glassing better than what HR had shown in the datapads.

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There is conflicting evidence.

Condemned and The FOR covers show that the planet was a huge lava ball, besides a point near Castle Base...

  • 01.21.2012 3:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Quantam
There is conflicting evidence.

Condemned and The FOR covers show that the planet was a huge lava ball, besides a point near Castle Base...


Condemned is an MP map. It shouldn't be taken completely as canon. Also, firestorms plus atmospheric reflection. Not entirely lava.

and Fall of Reach/First Strike also described partial glassing, if everything but the small area around castle base was glassed, the atmosphere would be ruined. It wasn't.

  • 01.21.2012 3:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Quantam
There is conflicting evidence.

Condemned and The FOR covers show that the planet was a huge lava ball, besides a point near Castle Base...


Condemned is an MP map. It shouldn't be taken completely as canon. Also, firestorms plus atmospheric reflection. Not entirely lava.

and Fall of Reach/First Strike also described partial glassing, if everything but the small area around castle base was glassed, the atmosphere would be ruined. It wasn't.


Correct, Condemned is not canon because it is multiplayer map. Also, that is not lava-like texture, it's just massive firestorm.

  • 01.21.2012 6:13 PM PDT
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Remember, "glassing" is also like when forest's make to much flora on the ground and people just light it on fire to make a controlled fire to remove and re-use. its kinda like a fail/safe thing, you kill the original, it sustained a better life... Its kinda like the Halo effect. Its kinda unusual how the covenant does not use the resources, but just burn it to ashes.

  • 01.22.2012 12:34 AM PDT

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