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Subject: Another Glasslands discussion and implications (spoilers)

Finally finished reading Glasslands.

A lot of people seem to think the book was bad; I disagree. While it didn't really seem like the story ever really went anywhere, it did set up some interesting background as to how the war is post-Halo 3 and the current state of affairs.

One common complaint is that the Elites having a sudden disregard for humanity. This is a stupid complaint in my opinion, and here's why: Elites, like human society, are divided into many beliefs and political standings, and the events of Glasslands mimicked this pretty good. It's not that the elites suddenly hate us. They've always felt particularly superior to Humans, and the only Elites we're used to are from Halo 2 and Halo 3 that are loyal to the arbiter and developed a little respect/comradeship with humanity.

In terms of implications on Halo 4... whoa, where do I even begin? Assuming the book was laced with these camouflaged bits of Halo 4 info, we have the following:

Spartan-IV's: yes, that's right, SPARTAN FOURS! We can draw on a previous example of (If I remember correctly) Ghosts of Onyx for first introducing the Spartan-III's, after which people were all, 'Books are seperate from the games, we won't see III's in games.' Then we got Reach...

UNSC Infinty (A UNSC ship integrated with forerunner technology, most likely the ship in the Halo 4 concept art. I have a feeling it will be your 'ship' for Halo 4; much like Pillar of Autumn was for Halo 1, In Amber Clad in Halo 2, and Forward Unto Dawn in halo 3.

Also, assuming the writing team at 343 is going to draw from the books a little more, in Halo 4 the line between enemy and friend will blur a little. With the races at large slowly transforming into a Star Wars-esque world of intermingling species, Halo might likely no longer be the "If he's a certain species, shoot him" that we're all used to, and instead mix it up with different allegiances.

  • 01.21.2012 10:17 AM PDT

I'm really not up for another Glasslands discussion. There have been dozens. Everything that can be said has been said; some like it, some dislike it.

Let's leave it at that and call it a day.

  • 01.21.2012 10:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I'm really not up for another Glasslands discussion. There have been dozens. Everything that can be said has been said; some like it, some dislike it.

Let's leave it at that and call it a day.


This. Like Reach, the arguments have died down now and we just move on.

  • 01.21.2012 10:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: Mr Gruntsworthy
This is a stupid complaint in my opinion, and here's why: Elites, like human society, are divided into many beliefs and political standings, and the events of Glasslands mimicked this pretty good. It's not that the elites suddenly hate us. They've always felt particularly superior to Humans, and the only Elites we're used to are from Halo 2 and Halo 3 that are loyal to the arbiter and developed a little respect/comradeship with humanity.

lolno

This is merely what you want to be true, and not what is.

Posted by: Mr Gruntsworthy
Also, assuming the writing team at 343 is going to draw from the books a little more, in Halo 4 the line between enemy and friend will blur a little. With the races at large slowly transforming into a Star Wars-esque world of intermingling species, Halo might likely no longer be the "If he's a certain species, shoot him" that we're all used to, and instead mix it up with different allegiances.

If anything, Halo is about how this will never happen, especially Glasslands. All throughout the book is sprinkled references to how Humans and Elites in particular could never co-exist. Even the Arum highlights the differences in their ways of thinking. Given what we know now happens after Halo 3, the only realistic thing that would happen is for them to remain bitter enemies. Your dreaming too much.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

The Elites are either going to be destroyed Via halo or made slaves.

  • 01.21.2012 11:50 AM PDT

Here we -blam!- go...

  • 01.21.2012 11:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Here we -blam!- go...

It is not like anyone here is actually interested in having some meaningful discussion on the book. I made a thread a while back on the symbolism on the arum and no one cared. Even this crap thread opened by condescending people who disliked it for its treatment of the Sangheili rather than just, you know, not doing that? I have tried doing other things. No one is listening. Don't give me that -blam!-.

  • 01.21.2012 1:28 PM PDT

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I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

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I wouldn't say that. I for one may not be contributing, but I'm certainly listening.

  • 01.21.2012 3:28 PM PDT
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(To discuss Halo 4.)

According to that article on the Reclaimer Trilogy, Halo 5 will be very dark, I could imagine the Fall of Earth and/or Sanghelios.

It seems like not only do the Prophets want to rid of the Elites, but also the writers of Halo!

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Posted by: Quantam
According to that article on the Reclaimer Trilogy, Halo 5 will be very dark, I could imagine the Fall of Earth and/or Sanghelios.

It seems like not only do the Prophets want to rid of the Elites, but also the writers of Halo!

What article? Seems a bit soon to be thinking about 5 when 4 is not yet released. I hope they don't get rid of the Elites, they are one of my favorites alongside the Flood.


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Posted by: anton1792
No one is listening.
I wouldn't say that. I for one may not be contributing, but I'm certainly listening.

As am I.

[Edited on 01.21.2012 3:53 PM PST]

  • 01.21.2012 3:51 PM PDT


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Posted by: Mr Gruntsworthy
This is a stupid complaint in my opinion, and here's why: Elites, like human society, are divided into many beliefs and political standings, and the events of Glasslands mimicked this pretty good. It's not that the elites suddenly hate us. They've always felt particularly superior to Humans, and the only Elites we're used to are from Halo 2 and Halo 3 that are loyal to the arbiter and developed a little respect/comradeship with humanity.

lolno

This is merely what you want to be true, and not what is.

Posted by: Mr Gruntsworthy
Also, assuming the writing team at 343 is going to draw from the books a little more, in Halo 4 the line between enemy and friend will blur a little. With the races at large slowly transforming into a Star Wars-esque world of intermingling species, Halo might likely no longer be the "If he's a certain species, shoot him" that we're all used to, and instead mix it up with different allegiances.

If anything, Halo is about how this will never happen, especially Glasslands. All throughout the book is sprinkled references to how Humans and Elites in particular could never co-exist. Even the Arum highlights the differences in their ways of thinking. Given what we know now happens after Halo 3, the only realistic thing that would happen is for them to remain bitter enemies. Your dreaming too much.
Makes sense. It's just like when a lion and hyena actually coexisted temporarily to share one carcass. They were going to fight over the food, but were both really starving so they ate side by side.

I don't know the specifics between the good elites and bad in the game. Good elites even specifically had green phantoms... Idk, but we will always be bitter rivals, especially with all the history ...


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  • 01.21.2012 4:35 PM PDT

Anyone else wondering who attacked Phillips and Telcam? Cause Telcam was saying "It is not us."

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I just saw a green monkey nut shot a small tan lizard(?) in a gunny sack.


Posted by: Wolverfrog
Here we -blam!- go...


'hurr durr teh bewk wuz bad'

  • 01.21.2012 5:25 PM PDT


Posted by: ThatOneJedi
Anyone else wondering who attacked Phillips and Telcam? Cause Telcam was saying "It is not us."


I'm guessing that it was the Arbiter in search of Phillips. I mean, the guy suddenly went missing, and the Arbiter is an honorable dude--your charge goes missing, you search high and low for him.

Second choice is that the Brutes they thought were loyal rebelled--there were sprinkles of foreshadowing about it throughout the book.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Telcam clearly said at the end "It's not us, Thats not us". It aint lites

  • 01.21.2012 6:35 PM PDT