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I really think the flood are something more than a simple species of intelligent, cannibalistic spores.

I believe that the Flood are driven by something or someone outside gravemind. Heres my theory:

Gravemind wanted the halos to not fire, we all know that. Why would he want to do this? firing halo wouldnt kill him(or his spores...are they his spores?) it would merely kill his food as cortana says. Yet, we have a paradox. The Flood want to devour all life...yet wouldnt this be the same as firing the rings?

yes, i know that gravemind and his face-huggers could just hibernate, but obviously he(could gravemind be a girl?) doesnt want the rings fired again. Why would this be? well lets look at hibernation. A bear needs to stock up food in its body for hibernation right? well so does the Flood. Bears cannot hibernate two seasons in a row, they simply cannot support themselves. The Flood have only been awakend for what...a year? i doubt that they could handle hibernating for millions more years waiting for food to become availible again.

yet, the flood seeks to devour all life. But if it did this, it would need to hibernate at some point to wait for food to become availible once again.

Like i said, a paradox.

Now why the hell would you even care? lets assume my theory is correct, where does that leave us?

The Flood, are quite more complex.(and why do i get the feeling that they are more like computers than anything else?)

(gosh, i bet someones going to offer a one line rebuttle and blow my theory outta the water :'( )

  • 05.14.2006 10:11 PM PDT
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Nice theory, I never thought of it that way.

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I dont think the Flood could survive without a food source......do Flood even feed? I haven't really considered this to much. We don't really know much about the motivations behind the Flood. We really need to understand what the Gravemind wants first, since it seems the Flood are just used as tools by the Gravemind.

  • 05.14.2006 10:17 PM PDT
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And I think the Flood were simply being kept in stasis by the Forerunners, and the Covenant accidentally let them free. As for the situation on Delta Halo, it would appear this installation is older than installation 04, so it's possible some of the stasis "pens" may have failed, thus the need for a quarantine zone.

  • 05.14.2006 10:20 PM PDT
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yea....
and when they failed they activated the rings.

  • 05.14.2006 10:31 PM PDT
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but the rings failed too...or did they have an even more complicated purpose? maybe a little civil war?

  • 05.14.2006 10:42 PM PDT
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I think they did wipe out a majority of the Flood. But the Flood on the Halo's didn't die because they were in stasis.

  • 05.14.2006 10:44 PM PDT
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well, they might have just hibernated.

And if they could go into stasis...why not the forerunner?

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how do you know the flood on halo didnt die?????????
i think the ark was something the forerunners made to save themselves when they realised the containment part of the rings had failed and so they made it.
But then the flood got in it and also lived.

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because they were there? didnt u play halo Ce? or are u talking about something else...

  • 05.14.2006 10:52 PM PDT
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Halo's Purpose:

1) to study and maintain the flood

Thats why everything is Automated. Because the forerunners, althuoght dead, had no way to kill the first level of flood. My theory is that it is a "gas" or a "liquid" flood, that infects (hence the eco system on the rings, to test). So they built the rings as a "fortress world" where they could examine the flood and see how they work from a safe distance. One of the rings had an early outbreak (much like Delta Halo), the forerunners in their wisdom had built the arc for such a purpose.

The rings where fired, all flood that were out of their "base" form died, leaving the halo's nearly lifeless.

2) starve the flood from viable food sources

Gravemind didn't want the rings to fire, because he didn't want to die. Granted he wouldn't die immediately, but without "food" they would all simply die.

I think the way they eat is a bit different. They probably all turn on each other at some point, when there isn't any else to kill.

Remember the flood "gathered bodies" in the corner of the rooms on the lvel "Keyes" in Halo: CE. These very well could have been used to "eat" since they can't make flood out of dead bodies.

Odd's are the flood were found "in gas form" and people became sick then "zombie like" eventually turning into flood, as the flood passed from person to person they became "better". Remember all the "wall" containers in the library? That was likely gas flood. It has similar color to the "blue cans" in Halo 2. At least I think it does, not sure, haven't played the library in a while.

Just guesses. I love guesses.



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  • 05.14.2006 10:54 PM PDT
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And if they could go into stasis...why not the forerunner?

The stasis "cells" may have been designed to just hold Flood,maybe the Forerunner didn't have access to them because they just simply were not able to get to a Halo, who knows.lol

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great theroy:)

so they are in hibenation, then they are relseased and are hungry. then gravemind trys to stop them activiating halo or food will go. no food no hibernation. death.

  • 05.14.2006 10:57 PM PDT
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Odd's are the flood were found "in gas form" and people became sick then "zombie like" eventually turning into flood, as the flood passed from person to person they became "better". Remember all the "liquid" containers in the library? That was likely liquid flood

I bet the Forerunner found the infection forms of the Flood, doubt there is any sort of gaseous form of them.

  • 05.14.2006 10:58 PM PDT
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Infection forms can be killed though. They pop.

In order to make the flood "unkillable" they have to be in some form that is too resitaznt to death.

Like bacteria or gaseous.

Plus, did you ever noticed that the "gas plants" where left on, harvesting non stop? The only reason I can come up for this is the forerunners wanted to mine all the flood "gas" or "liquid" and store it, so that it can't infect people. Only the fact there was so much that it would take many many many (times 50) years.

Not to mention that they are 100% automated, just like the Halos. This tells me that where there are flood, there are sentinels. Not flood as we know them, just flood.

I'm pretty sure that this "liquid" can be used in small ammounts to make people "super human" but at some point it takes over the human body. Since Johnson himself was in "tip top" shape when Cortana examined him, to the point it bothered her.



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Or warrior forms. The Forerunner wouldn't realize they were dangerous until they started latching themselves onto them. Kind of like zombies. One is on threat, but one there are sufficient numbers, you're screwed. The Flood were never unkillable, just too numerous.

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Plus, did you ever noticed that the "gas plants" where left on, harvesting non stop? The only reason I can come up for this is the forerunners wanted to mine all the flood "gas" or "liquid" and store it, so that it can't infect people. Only the fact there was so much that it would take many many many (times 50) years.

I think they were using it as an energy source, remember that the gas was combustable. If it were the Flood, wouldn't killing them be as simple as setting off a nuke-type weapon in the atmosphere of Threshold?

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  • 05.14.2006 11:04 PM PDT
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last i heard there was no such thing as a living liquid.....nor a gas......
and if the flood could break out of the halos, then why couldnt they get back in them
and i dont see how you would live inside something that was supposed to kill you once this something was activated.
so they could have just returned.

  • 05.14.2006 11:04 PM PDT
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Although i disliked it, the book The Flood did explain how the Flood infected their victims. And in some cases, they most definitly DIDNT have full control over their host bodies.(maybe evident in the actual game. Sometimes the flood would run up to u and stop moving. who says its an AI error? maybe the host bodies are fighting with the parasite! did u ever notice that the elite flood almost always attacked you on sight, whereas the marine flood would occasionally not attack u or shy away?)

oh, the flood are a parasite not a disease...this isnt cowboy bebop...nanobot spores...

  • 05.14.2006 11:04 PM PDT
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Maybe.

But the forerunners had the ability to destroy planets. We know this because the covenant use their techonolgy to do so.

The only planets that can't be "glassed" are gas planets....

Parasitic Bacteria exist now a days.


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  • 05.14.2006 11:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: HipHopAnonymus
Maybe.

But the forerunners had the ability to destroy planets. We know this because the covenant use their techonolgy to do so.

The only planets that can't be "glassed" are gas planets....


yea but what does that have to do with this?

  • 05.14.2006 11:07 PM PDT
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last i heard there was no such thing as a living liquid.....nor a gas......
and if the flood could break out of the halos, then why couldnt they get back in them
and i dont see how you would live inside something that was supposed to kill you once this something was activated.
so they could have just returned.


343 Guilty Spark (the library) himself said "this installation was built to study and maintain the flood"

I'm not saying that they ARE the liquid or the gas. virus's and bacteria can live in both.

It doesn't KILL the flood, it starves the flood. (Cortana two betrayles)

What does all this have to do with this?

We are tlaking about flood? Right, theories go with theories.

  • 05.14.2006 11:13 PM PDT
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No i meant your planet thing but its cool.
And i said nothing about living IN it i said living AS it.
Mucho difference.
And thanks for clearing the kills/starves thing up for me, i didnt know cause no on has stated a reference that i've seen until now.

  • 05.14.2006 11:16 PM PDT
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the flood knew what they were doing in halo CE. we know this because

1. they were repairing the Truth and Reconsiliaton
2. they knew someone would attempt to reclaim the key, so they camped out the library in anticipation of someone trying to take it.
3. they attacked the POA and instead of simply overunning the covenant there, they protected strongpoints throughtout the ruins.

but gravemind was on another halo. who could have been controlling them there? or how about the flood on the station floating around the planet next to the origional halo?

again, the flood must be maintained...like a weapon, right?

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  • 05.14.2006 11:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: cavero
the flood knew what they were doing in halo CE. we know this because

1. they were repairing the Truth and Reconsiliaton
2. they knew someone would attempt to reclaim the key, so they camped out the library in anticipation of someone trying to take it.
3. they attacked the POA and instead of simply overunning the covenant there, they protected strongpoints throughtout the ruins.

but gravemind was on another halo. who could have been controlling them there? or how about the flood on the station floating around the planet next to the origional halo?

again, the flood must be maintained...like a weapon, right?


Think of the flood kind of like the "borg" until that whole "queen borg" deal.

They are a collective. They become more complex as they infect more things. They eventually form something along the lines of "gravemind" that can speak and such. Something "may" be controling the flood. But my guess is that the flood themsevles uses the memories of their carriers to become smarter, more complex. Giving them the ability to make repairs, think, plan, plot.

The other part of my theory is that the flood are a weapon, found by the forerunners, attempted to be harnessed, and failed. Hence they built the rings, hence they fired them, hence we are playing Halo.


Dang it Bungie, if this is the last game you better puplish the Halo Bible. I'd buy it even if it was as much as a 360. That thing has to be the best book EVAR.

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