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Subject: If we are foreruners, then why cant we remember?

Yo!

yeh it was about your one, twas amazing and the only idea i believe so far

  • 05.15.2006 6:37 AM PDT
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my theory is that they cloned themselves just in case they ever had to activate halo which would explain why the humans dont remember but are slowly starting to gain access to the information because they are cloned from the forerunners

  • 05.15.2006 6:50 AM PDT
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Thanks again... I will work to incorporate more of my ideas, and expand it further... hopefully not compromising its believability, and I'll post it here when I'm done. Don't expect it for a few days though, I do have work and Uni to attend to.

  • 05.15.2006 6:51 AM PDT
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It explains why we seem to have made little advancements from now until 500 years later in Halo times.

  • 05.15.2006 6:53 AM PDT

Posted by: LIME31
I got his sarcasm...one person has to implement sarcasm and then you get a pile of terrorist chipmunks crashing your party, not fun at all..

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Posted by: Great_Pretender
Our memories aren't that good.

-TGP-


TGP is definitely slowly leaking info from the Halo Bible. Last time I checked the forums he revealed when tigers went extinct. I think it was 2129, not that sure.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Not!
-TGP-


Well see about that

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  • 05.15.2006 6:54 AM PDT
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It seems pretty simlpe to me. The Forerunners built he rings to destroy all life capable of sustaining the Flood, and they built the Arc as a means of continuing life after the Flood had been "starved to death". Like Noah's Arc, it contained many species in that would propragate and fill the earth. I'm guessing these life forms were either microscopic (and therefore, incapable of being infected by the flood), or they were released from the Arc after a period of time. Humans evolved from the creatures that came from the Arc. Thats why we know nothing about the Forerunners or we don't "remember them" as you put it. The monitors recognize us as creatures that have come from the Arc. Think of us as "successors" to the forerunners.

Remember when Guilty spark said in Halo CE "...a record of all our lost time. Human history is it? Fascinating". So there's a connection, but it seems we are not the same thing as the Forerunners.

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  • 05.15.2006 7:06 AM PDT
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It seems nobody read the article I posted, so I'll put the text here.
The Forerunners somehow created Flood. Not sure why, but it was probably as a super-weapon that went horribly wrong.
They couldn't defeat them.
They built the Halo rings as a last resort, in case they couldn't find any other way to defeat the Flood.
They couldn't find any other way to defeat the Flood.
They didn't want to wipe themselves out pointlessly, so they reverse-engineered their own DNA to get microbes that would someday evolve back into Forerunners, or something very much like them.All of the forerunners' knowledge was encoded into the microbes' DNA so that they would someday remember it all, and they would know how to use Forerunner tecnology when they found it. These microbes were small enough to remain unaffected by Halo. The microbes were scattered on a suitable planet. A forerunner artefact was left nearby so that the new Forerunners would find it when they became advanced enough to reclaim the Forerunners' legacy.
The Halo rings were activated, killing all living creatures that could sustain the Flood.
The Flood were contained in facilities like Lockout to prevent them from finding the bodies of the creatures killed by the Halo rings, which would give them enough food to survive.
Robots like 343 Guilty Spark and 2401 Penitent Tangent were left to study the Flood to find a way to kill them without needing to use the Halo rings, in case the new Forerunners ever needed it.
The Flood broke out and survived.
The Reclaimers (aka humans) evolved.
The Reclaimers were unable to find and use the Forerunner artefacts that had been left for them, because a band of species calling themselves the Covenant had got there first. The war between the Reclaimers/humans and the Covenant meant that the Reclaimers/humans were unable to find and use the Forerunner artefacts in the way they were meant to.

This is generally accepted as being as close to the tru7h as we've come so far. I co-authored it, I believe it.

  • 05.15.2006 7:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: random_factor
It seems nobody read the article I posted, so I'll put the text here.
The Forerunners somehow created Flood. Not sure why, but it was probably as a super-weapon that went horribly wrong.
They couldn't defeat them.
They built the Halo rings as a last resort, in case they couldn't find any other way to defeat the Flood.
They couldn't find any other way to defeat the Flood.
They didn't want to wipe themselves out pointlessly, so they reverse-engineered their own DNA to get microbes that would someday evolve back into Forerunners, or something very much like them.All of the forerunners' knowledge was encoded into the microbes' DNA so that they would someday remember it all, and they would know how to use Forerunner tecnology when they found it. These microbes were small enough to remain unaffected by Halo. The microbes were scattered on a suitable planet. A forerunner artefact was left nearby so that the new Forerunners would find it when they became advanced enough to reclaim the Forerunners' legacy.
The Halo rings were activated, killing all living creatures that could sustain the Flood.
The Flood were contained in facilities like Lockout to prevent them from finding the bodies of the creatures killed by the Halo rings, which would give them enough food to survive.
Robots like 343 Guilty Spark and 2401 Penitent Tangent were left to study the Flood to find a way to kill them without needing to use the Halo rings, in case the new Forerunners ever needed it.
The Flood broke out and survived.
The Reclaimers (aka humans) evolved.
The Reclaimers were unable to find and use the Forerunner artefacts that had been left for them, because a band of species calling themselves the Covenant had got there first. The war between the Reclaimers/humans and the Covenant meant that the Reclaimers/humans were unable to find and use the Forerunner artefacts in the way they were meant to.

This is generally accepted as being as close to the tru7h as we've come so far. I co-authored it, I believe it.


This is pretty much exactly like my own theory except for one detail. The Forerunners didn't order the Reclaimers, aka Humans, to evolve from microbes, but rather from our nearly human ancestors who were not yet fully sentient. They essentially encoded our DNA to allow our first ancestors to have the mental capacity of the Forerunners. So, we probably don't look anything like the Forerunners, we just inherited their minds.

The clues to this are twofold. One, the fact that the Forerunner artifact on earth is beneath Mombosa, Kenya, where are the earliest known fossils of H-omo sapiens sapiens, or modern humans are found. Also, these earliest H-omo sapiens sapiens are believed by some to be 100,000 years old. There's a debate right now over when the line between pre-modern humans, and fully modern humans lies, but its anywhere from 1-200,000 years ago. However, after 100,000 years ago, humans become completely anatomically identical to us, particularly in the cranial area. If you recall, there's a level in "sacred icon" in Halo 2 called the 100,000 years war. I think I remember Cortana mentioning that the Forerunner ruins are about that age as well. There were humans alive that long ago, but what most anthropologist say differs between us and them is that we have a creative ability that they didn't. So, the Forerunners just gave us their minds, not their bodies.

I edited this because bungie forums blanks out the word H-omo, when I'm talking about the species, not the the opposite of straight.

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  • 05.15.2006 8:31 AM PDT
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good theory. thing is there are a lot of theories that could work, but i think that either way, humans are not the same as forerunners, because of guilty spark calling master chief a reclaimer.

one thing though, can anyone say if G'spark called just master chief the reclaimer, coz i think he may have said reclaimers, as in master chief and the soldiers helping him. he then states humanity at the end of halo1, so maybe reclaimer's' is just a specific role, not a species. as other people have mentioned, it seems that only the poeple who first touch the key within the halo sturctures can actually use them (tartarous making keyes use the 'icon' at the end of halo 2, because she touched it first).

this would again suggest that recliaimers is simply a role, but then again the only reclaimers we've seen are human. but as it has been stated that humans are not the forerunners, then in fact any species could use the key, just we haven't seen it.

i dunno really, all this thinking makes my head hurt..

  • 05.15.2006 9:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: LarzPearson
you mean other than the monitor recognising us, us being labeled species 0000 in its data banks, only humans can activate halo, we simply "know" what buttons to push to do stuff, the giant freakin thing in africa.... also, think of how when a story passes from one person to another successively it gets muddled...read the bible recently? the ark saving humanity from the flood?


never noticed it till you said it

  • 05.15.2006 9:32 AM PDT

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