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Don't get me wrong, while I love to use all of the human weapons, especially the shotgun, but to be like 500 years in the future, they seem kind of primitve. In the game we have discovered a means of interstellar, faster than light travel and super advanced artificial intelligence, cloning, biogenetic engineering, as well as a sleugh of other advanced technologies, but yet we still seem to be using conventional ballistic weaponry. Every human weapon in the game looks like something that you would be able to find in real life in the near future, as a matter of fact the marines today in real life do use better technology. All I'm really saying is that I hope to see a little bit more creativity as far as weapons when halo 3 comes out, especially since they're going to be on earth and what not. Maybe they were developing experimental military tech on earth as well as reach or something I don't know. How about a prototype plasma weapon of our own, or some type of laser shooting assault rifle.

Anybody else got any ideas to contribute as far as weapons?

[Edited on 5/15/2006]

  • 05.15.2006 2:53 PM PDT
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Yes you are right, the humans should be using much mor advanced weaponry. I think that is one of the biggest holes in Bungie's Story.

  • 05.15.2006 3:03 PM PDT
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Reason why is because Earth united and they stopped fighting so they didn't need any weapons. They were spending money on the population issue and researching and colonzing other planets. When theres not fighting you obviously don't need weapons so they just forgot about them when BAM! Covenant attacks Reach and glasses the planet and the POA escapes and the game Halo:CE starts.

  • 05.15.2006 3:19 PM PDT
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its also possible that the humans are just too lazy to invent new ways to kill each other and spent all their other time figuring out how to travel and colonize.

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Fighting was still necessary because if it wasn't they wouldn't dedicate an entire planet to military defense R & D. Neither would they have a need for the SPARTAN project.

  • 05.15.2006 5:06 PM PDT
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Errr, one hundred years our weapons were'nt very diferent from the ones now.

  • 05.15.2006 5:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: Delta1138
its also possible that the humans are just too lazy to invent new ways to kill each other and spent all their other time figuring out how to travel and colonize.


Did you read my post? And the other guy yes they did direct Reach to weapons of course they have to have a small amount of military and weapons in case of a war but they really don't need it.

  • 05.15.2006 5:57 PM PDT
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(Posted by GezuB: "Err, one hundred years our weapons were'nt very diferent from the ones now.")


Are you crazy? Weapons today are way more advanced than the ones we used a hundred years ago. They look essentially the same but as far as functionality and performance, today's weaponry surpasses that of the past by multitudes. Even if what you say is true, it's only been a hundred years and everything's pretty much the same, the people in Halo had 500 plus years, I mean come on.

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  • 05.15.2006 6:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: Delta1138
its also possible that the humans are just too lazy to invent new ways to kill each other and spent all their other time figuring out how to travel and colonize.


Did you read my post? And the other guy yes they did direct Reach to weapons of course they have to have a small amount of military and weapons in case of a war but they really don't need it.



Can you really call an entire planet dedicated to military reasearch a "small amount of military and weapons"? Besides that, reach wasn't the only planet with military activity on it, it was just the only one used entirely for military purposes.

  • 05.15.2006 6:26 PM PDT

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Weapons nowdays are soo much more effective than 100 years ago you might as well be comparing the stone age to The Mideval(sp?) Times.

Anyway. Yes, the Halo 1 weapons are strangely out-dated for being year 25XX. The Halo 2 weapons are about at the limit/idealistic of the versions we currently use. But, I would rather have a realistic weapon thats beleviable than a Fully automatic Rail gun for a Assault Rifle.

in 500 years im sure the whole "Ballistics" idea with barrel and bullet weapons will at least be taken to the limit. I cant understand why it hasnt already.

Just a few ideal figures to put into a gun.

Excellent accuracy- ideally, where you point it, it shoots. and have a scope or something that compensates for wind, height, and distance.

Reliablility- pretty much high reliablility and durability, no jamming or breaking..this was a problem with the first M-16 in the vietnam "conflict".

High Magazine capacity- 36 rounds is exellent for a rifle. 60 is huge. 12-15 for a .50 cal pistol is huge too.

Leight weight- for convenience and frees up other space. also makes it easier to aim...but does NOT reduce recoil.

Sufficient Muzzle jouls and bullet FPS- essentially the guns power. for Feet Per Second...3000 FPS for a rifle is incredible (only a few guns in the world hit this). And im not sure about a Handgun...but 2000 FPS would be awsome i believe. But thats a realistic. but wild guess.

Other Nifties and Ammunition- like recoil compensators, muzzle flashgaurds, the "break" in the front of the sniper rifles barrel for the super high powered guns(i dont remember the technical name for it)...stuff like that also makes a gun more user friendly. Ammunition depends on what your intended targets are.

Rifles- Generally speaking, Armor-Piercing High-Explosive rounds would be ideal, but probably impractical to mass produce.

Pistol- Same as above, but Semi-Armor Piercing is the best you can do because...well its a pistol. Hollow points and Talon rounds would get the job done as well.

Sniper Rifles- Generally, you could use the same as a rifle. But, APFSDS (Armor-Piercing-Fin-Sabalized-Discarding Sabot) rounds made of Tungsten or Depleted Uranium would be better overall. for those who dont know what the heck a APFSDS is, its basically a Dart inside of a Casing. look it up on www.ask.com if you want to know more.

Just my thoughs...

Note: Whoever said that the UNSC didnt need a military before the covenant....what are you talking about? the Whole human population was on the brink of collapse right before the covenant decided to show up. They had a huge military. I think the Human Forces had the strongest military just before the Cov. decided to appear. The UNSC gets demolished in space battles so they really cant built ships faster than they get destroyed. They also had several planets as military strongholds, but REACH was the most heavily fortified and was ONLY used by the military.

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Well when they've been colonizing other plantes and they have little weapons R&D on them and little on Earth I guess you are right. Lol. But yeah 100 years ago in 1906 the weapons were way different. The machine gun wasn't even inveted until around the 191X so all they reall yhad were semi-auto rifles and handguns and manual rifles and handguns. The semi-auto or repeating rifle as it was called in those days wasn't even invented until around 1850-1870 and whoever controlled that type of weapon was the guy you didn't want to be in a fight with on the battle field.

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Posted by: Delta1138
its also possible that the humans are just too lazy to invent new ways to kill each other and spent all their other time figuring out how to travel and colonize.

It's called evolution. Except for the lazy part.

  • 05.16.2006 6:04 PM PDT
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The reason we haven't gone to anything more technically advanced is because they think that there guns with bullets are better.

No reason to change the weaponry if it works just fine.

My opinion, you can do more with bullets: put smart chips in them, and things like make them explode when near an enemy. Stuff like that. Pretty hard to think of some of weapons or rifles we would use. Bullets cause a lot of physical damage and they didn't know about sheilds until the Covenant started to pick a fight.

Bullets mainly glance off shields, they haven't had time to fix their weapons accordingly (in the halo universe that is).

  • 05.17.2006 3:04 AM PDT